Richard Dawkins: Islam is Bad

[Frisivisia]

Militant as in blogging.

Is that militant?

*dumbs out* hold on, it isn't. Still just repetitive as Dawkins yammering of Islam. *still in dumb mode*

Uhmm...... I don't know.

Ah, yes, don't you know that Dawkins saying facts makes him the exact same as Jihadists?

Let me know when Dawkins flies a plane into a building or straps explosives to himself.

Both. Still irrelevant.

Then that answers Joe's question.

You're not honestly saying that the Holocaust was done BECUZ ATHEISM, are you? That would be very stupid of you.

[Blasveck]

I can't help but say that antisemitism was a part of Nazism, Nazism was bad, your analogy is terrible, and Godwin's Law.

There should really be a Godwin's Law counterpart for Stalinism.

I can't help but say militant atheism is a part of Stalinism.

Not really.

Stalin's actions were political, not religious based.

[Frisivisia]

Ah, yes, don't you know that Dawkins saying facts makes him the exact same as Jihadists?

Dawkins and the Jihadists are more opinionated than my man parts.

So they, the extremists, should calm down and let forceful education do the "abolishing"

Not sure what you're saying here.

[Battenburgia]

Since nobody seems to be informing Fris on Dawkins's misogyny and he genuinely seems only to know it involves an elevator, here's what happened:

At an atheist conference. Dawkins is of course a major speaker, etc, etc. A group of people meet in the bar at the hotel where it's being held and talk. The discussion turns to misogyny within the atheist movement.

Afterwards, in the elevator, Dawkins is alone with one of the women from the discussion in the bar. He asks her if she wants to go to his room for coffee. Coffee was available at the bar. She declines.

Afterwards, she makes a video (She was already a Youtuber, I think making videos about atheism and feminism) saying that if men want to make women feel at home at their conferences, behavior like Dawkins's doesn't help, especially after that specific discussion.

You can imagine the results. Massive YouTube-fueled backlash. Dawkins posts a sarcastic comment basically saying she has no right to complain, which eggs the trolls on. And so on. Google "Dawkins" and "Skepchick" to find the whole story.

tl;dr: Dawkins is not good at being a human being. Good biologist maybe, but not good person.

COMPLETE BULLSHIT!

the lift incident did happen, but it was not Dawkins, it was a different male at the conference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Watson


Rebecca Watson (the woman involved) posted in her blog about casual sexism at conferences ....it escalated, as it often does, with many stupid men who hate being lectured about their leering sexuality calling her a variety of awful names and threatening her with rape etc....

Dawson's only involvement was to provide a comment when asked about the situation. he said her comments were an over-reaction to the situation, which fuelled another prolonged debate.

Paint Dawkins how you will if it's based on his true actions, but don't accuse him of chatting up random women in lifts when he didn't do it ....how low will people go to demonise him

[Nationalist State of Knox]

I can't help but say that antisemitism was a part of Nazism, Nazism was bad, your analogy is terrible, and Godwin's Law.

There should really be a Godwin's Law counterpart for Stalinism.

I can't help but say militant atheism is a part of Stalinism.

No, Stalin worship was. To quote myself from an earlier thread:

"Stalin did in fact attempt to eliminate the Church and prevent any form of worship to anything/one other than himself. However, the Stalinist regime did attempt a substitute for religion, namely his Cult of Personality.

By eliminating religion, Stalin managed to elevate himself to the status of God, capable of achieving miracles. In that regard, the USSR was religious, just not in the conventional Christian sense."

[Aequalitia]

Were 6 million Jews killed because of anti-semitism, or was it because of Nazism?

I can't help but say that antisemitism was a part of Nazism, Nazism was bad, your analogy is terrible, and Godwin's Law.

Well, a better point in history how extreme atheism works is how Pol pot did. Tons of religious (and other people with a different view about things) people are killed thanks by his view.

[Luveria]

Uhmm...... I don't know.


Let me know when Dawkins flies a plane into a building or straps explosives to himself.


Then that answers Joe's question.

You're not honestly saying that the Holocaust was done BECUZ ATHEISM, are you? That would be very stupid of you.

I'm not saying that.

There should really be a Godwin's Law counterpart for Stalinism.

I can't help but say militant atheism is a part of Stalinism.

Not really.

Stalin's actions were political, not religious based.

Wanting to be worshipped like a god, seems religious based.

There should really be a Godwin's Law counterpart for Stalinism.

I can't help but say militant atheism is a part of Stalinism.

No, Stalin worship was. To quote myself from an earlier thread:

"Stalin did in fact attempt to eliminate the Church and prevent any form of worship to anything/one other than himself. However, the Stalinist regime did attempt a substitute for religion, namely his Cult of Personality.

By eliminating religion, Stalin managed to elevate himself to the status of God, capable of achieving miracles. In that regard, the USSR was religious, just not in the conventional Christian sense."

Somehow that reminds me of North Korea.

[Frisivisia]

Since nobody seems to be informing Fris on Dawkins's misogyny and he genuinely seems only to know it involves an elevator, here's what happened:

At an atheist conference. Dawkins is of course a major speaker, etc, etc. A group of people meet in the bar at the hotel where it's being held and talk. The discussion turns to misogyny within the atheist movement.

Afterwards, in the elevator, Dawkins is alone with one of the women from the discussion in the bar. He asks her if she wants to go to his room for coffee. Coffee was available at the bar. She declines.

Afterwards, she makes a video (She was already a Youtuber, I think making videos about atheism and feminism) saying that if men want to make women feel at home at their conferences, behavior like Dawkins's doesn't help, especially after that specific discussion.

You can imagine the results. Massive YouTube-fueled backlash. Dawkins posts a sarcastic comment basically saying she has no right to complain, which eggs the trolls on. And so on. Google "Dawkins" and "Skepchick" to find the whole story.

tl;dr: Dawkins is not good at being a human being. Good biologist maybe, but not good person.

COMPLETE BULLSHIT!

the lift incident did happen, but it was not Dawkins, it was a different male at the conference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Watson


Rebecca Watson (the woman involved) posted in her blog about casual sexism at conferences ....it escalated, as it often does, with many stupid men who hate being lectured about their leering sexuality calling her a variety of awful names and threatening her with rape etc....

Dawson's only involvement was to provide a comment when asked about the situation. he said her comments were an over-reaction to the situation, which fuelled another prolonged debate.

Paint Dawkins how you will if it's based on his true actions, but don't accuse him of chatting up random women in lifts when he didn't do it ....how low will people go to demonise him

Either way, asking a woman back to your room isn't misogyny, especially when you are completely okay with her saying no and don't do anything.

[The Steel Magnolia]

You clearly know the details but seem intent on defending him regardless?

Those who defend misogynists are not, generally, people feminists look highly at.

How dare I take a somewhat neutral stance on something I don't know about! I should know that feminists are generally right and barely ever do anything bad, unlike the evil Richard Dawkins Atheist Movement.

Strawmen, strawmen everywhere!

[Mushet]

Since nobody seems to be informing Fris on Dawkins's misogyny and he genuinely seems only to know it involves an elevator, here's what happened:

At an atheist conference. Dawkins is of course a major speaker, etc, etc. A group of people meet in the bar at the hotel where it's being held and talk. The discussion turns to misogyny within the atheist movement.

Afterwards, in the elevator, Dawkins is alone with one of the women from the discussion in the bar. He asks her if she wants to go to his room for coffee. Coffee was available at the bar. She declines.

Afterwards, she makes a video (She was already a Youtuber, I think making videos about atheism and feminism) saying that if men want to make women feel at home at their conferences, behavior like Dawkins's doesn't help, especially after that specific discussion.

You can imagine the results. Massive YouTube-fueled backlash. Dawkins posts a sarcastic comment basically saying she has no right to complain, which eggs the trolls on. And so on. Google "Dawkins" and "Skepchick" to find the whole story.

tl;dr: Dawkins is not good at being a human being. Good biologist maybe, but not good person.

COMPLETE BULLSHIT!

the lift incident did happen, but it was not Dawkins, it was a different male at the conference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Watson


Rebecca Watson (the woman involved) posted in her blog about casual sexism at conferences ....it escalated, as it often does, with many stupid men who hate being lectured about their leering sexuality calling her a variety of awful names and threatening her with rape etc....

Dawson's only involvement was to provide a comment when asked about the situation. he said her comments were an over-reaction to the situation, which fuelled another prolonged debate.

Paint Dawkins how you will if it's based on his true actions, but don't accuse him of chatting up random women in lifts when he didn't do it ....how low will people go to demonise him

I pointed out it wasn't him, but of you look at want went on in the comments section he was kinda making an ass out of himself, that was the issue that the blogger and her readers took with him.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Those who defend misogynists are not, generally, people feminists look highly at.

...Why? You can defend someone for making a correct statement, even if they may be misogynist.

that's great but not what anyone's doing.

[Seitonjin]

Dawkins and the Jihadists are more opinionated than my man parts.

So they, the extremists, should calm down and let forceful education do the "abolishing"

Not sure what you're saying here.

Dawkins is extreme in his own way, the Jihadists as well.

And I compared it to my man parts because it-Nevermind it crosses the PG-13 line here. But in other words... Extremism. Bad. In most if not all cases.

Blogging can get someone killed you know?

[Blasveck]

You're not honestly saying that the Holocaust was done BECUZ ATHEISM, are you? That would be very stupid of you.

I'm not saying that.

Not really.

Stalin's actions were political, not religious based.

Wanting to be worshipped like a god, seems religious based.

No, Stalin worship was. To quote myself from an earlier thread:

"Stalin did in fact attempt to eliminate the Church and prevent any form of worship to anything/one other than himself. However, the Stalinist regime did attempt a substitute for religion, namely his Cult of Personality.

By eliminating religion, Stalin managed to elevate himself to the status of God, capable of achieving miracles. In that regard, the USSR was religious, just not in the conventional Christian sense."

Somehow that reminds me of North Korea.

No, Luv, that's political.

He got rid of religion, not because he hated it, but because he, Stalin, wanted to BE it.

That's political.

[Frisivisia]

How dare I take a somewhat neutral stance on something I don't know about! I should know that feminists are generally right and barely ever do anything bad, unlike the evil Richard Dawkins Atheist Movement.

Strawmen, strawmen everywhere!

REFEREE, REFEREE, I'VE BEEN FOULED IN A DEBATE AND I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A RESPONSE! HEEEEEEEELP!!!!!

[Nationalist State of Knox]

I can't help but say that antisemitism was a part of Nazism, Nazism was bad, your analogy is terrible, and Godwin's Law.

Well, a better point in history how extreme atheism works is how Pol pot did. Tons of religious (and other people with a different view about things) people are killed thanks by his view.

Pol Pot was a Buddhist, specifically Theravada.

[Frisivisia]

Not sure what you're saying here.

Dawkins is extreme in his own way, the Jihadists as well.

And I compared it to my man parts because it-Nevermind it crosses the PG-13 line here. But in other words... Extremism. Bad. In most if not all cases.

Blogging can get someone killed you know?

Dawkins = Al Qaeda

[Luveria]

I'm not saying that.


Wanting to be worshipped like a god, seems religious based.


Somehow that reminds me of North Korea.

No, Luv, that's political.

He got rid of religion, not because he hated it, but because he, Stalin, wanted to BE it.

That's political.

And it's religious too, creating a religion.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

No, Stalin worship was. To quote myself from an earlier thread:

"Stalin did in fact attempt to eliminate the Church and prevent any form of worship to anything/one other than himself. However, the Stalinist regime did attempt a substitute for religion, namely his Cult of Personality.

By eliminating religion, Stalin managed to elevate himself to the status of God, capable of achieving miracles. In that regard, the USSR was religious, just not in the conventional Christian sense."

Somehow that reminds me of North Korea.

Indeed, theistic leader worship.

[Blasveck]

No, Luv, that's political.

He got rid of religion, not because he hated it, but because he, Stalin, wanted to BE it.

That's political.

And it's religious too, creating a religion.

"Religion"

Emphasis on the quotations.

[Seitonjin]

Dawkins is extreme in his own way, the Jihadists as well.

And I compared it to my man parts because it-Nevermind it crosses the PG-13 line here. But in other words... Extremism. Bad. In most if not all cases.

Blogging can get someone killed you know?

Dawkins = Al Qaeda

*bangs head on wall*

Nu. Not what I meant. I said extreme in his own (key word Boe Jiden) way.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Despised? Pagans seem to get A LOT of rap from the religious majority as well...but you don't see us being all holier than thou about it.

Obviously, all atheists are, pfft, "holier than thou" about being hated and despised and essentially unable to hold public office at all or live in religious communities.

You clearly are.

But tell me more about how oppressed you are.

[The Parkus Empire]

I can't help but say that antisemitism was a part of Nazism, Nazism was bad, your analogy is terrible, and Godwin's Law.

There should really be a Godwin's Law counterpart for Stalinism.

I can't help but say militant atheism is a part of Stalinism.

Then people would just use Mao or Pol Pot

[Frisivisia]

Dawkins = Al Qaeda

*bangs head on wall*

Nu. Not what I meant. I said extreme in his own (key word Boe Jiden) way.

So are the X-Games, what are you trying to say?

[Grantica]

It was nice for most when he stuck to insulting Christians, because they could support that.

Makes you wonder why it's always open season on Christians, doesn't it?

[Blasveck]

COMPLETE BULLSHIT!

the lift incident did happen, but it was not Dawkins, it was a different male at the conference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Watson


Rebecca Watson (the woman involved) posted in her blog about casual sexism at conferences ....it escalated, as it often does, with many stupid men who hate being lectured about their leering sexuality calling her a variety of awful names and threatening her with rape etc....

Dawson's only involvement was to provide a comment when asked about the situation. he said her comments were an over-reaction to the situation, which fuelled another prolonged debate.

Paint Dawkins how you will if it's based on his true actions, but don't accuse him of chatting up random women in lifts when he didn't do it ....how low will people go to demonise him

Either way, asking a woman back to your room isn't misogyny, especially when you are completely okay with her saying no and don't do anything.

It's not.

It was the comments he said afterwards that were misogynistic.

You get that, Joe?