Richard Dawkins: Islam is Bad

[The Parkus Empire]

Of course there is. I can think of plenty of famous people besides them who made support of such ideologies their primary concern. I can't really think of one person, who held atheism as an ideology, who was worth a damn.

Truth be told, I'm about as proud of it as I am proud that I don't believe in Santa.

Indeed. It is an absurd thing to base one's identity upon.

[Luveria]

Since nobody seems to be informing Fris on Dawkins's misogyny and he genuinely seems only to know it involves an elevator, here's what happened:

At an atheist conference. Dawkins is of course a major speaker, etc, etc. A group of people meet in the bar at the hotel where it's being held and talk. The discussion turns to misogyny within the atheist movement.

Afterwards, in the elevator, Dawkins is alone with one of the women from the discussion in the bar. He asks her if she wants to go to his room for coffee. Coffee was available at the bar. She declines.

Afterwards, she makes a video (She was already a Youtuber, I think making videos about atheism and feminism) saying that if men want to make women feel at home at their conferences, behavior like Dawkins's doesn't help, especially after that specific discussion.

You can imagine the results. Massive YouTube-fueled backlash. Dawkins posts a sarcastic comment basically saying she has no right to complain, which eggs the trolls on. And so on. Google "Dawkins" and "Skepchick" to find the whole story.

tl;dr: Dawkins is not good at being a human being. Good biologist maybe, but not good person.

My post I made just before yours is such a coincidence.

Newsflash: There are atheist misogynists.

Wait. Why are you including Pol Pot and Stalin? It wasn't atheism that drove them to do what they did, it was desire for political power.

I didn't know Cambodia had been a Buddhist theocracy prior to Pol Pot's rise.

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[Frisivisia]

Your beliefs are different than mine. I accept that and you should be able to believe what you want.

However, your beliefs are not shielded from criticism. They are not precious or special, they're beliefs, everyone has them, and everyone can talk about theirs and bad about everyone else's.

Hey Fris, how was prison life?

I have a new teardrop tattoo for "spamming, flaming, and trollnaming". Three days seemed unnecessary, but it let me chill with my bros on the inside for a while.

[Frisivisia]

Gays have their acceptance movements, atheists, another despised group, could use one too.

The atheism movement is not about acceptance, it's about abolishing religion.

A noble goal.

[The Grey Wolf]

Hey Fris, how was prison life?

I have a new teardrop tattoo for "spamming, flaming, and trollnaming". Three days seemed unnecessary, but it let me chill with my bros on the inside for a while.

I missed you.

[Luveria]

Since nobody seems to be informing Fris on Dawkins's misogyny and he genuinely seems only to know it involves an elevator, here's what happened:

At an atheist conference. Dawkins is of course a major speaker, etc, etc. A group of people meet in the bar at the hotel where it's being held and talk. The discussion turns to misogyny within the atheist movement.

Afterwards, in the elevator, Dawkins is alone with one of the women from the discussion in the bar. He asks her if she wants to go to his room for coffee. Coffee was available at the bar. She declines.

Afterwards, she makes a video (She was already a Youtuber, I think making videos about atheism and feminism) saying that if men want to make women feel at home at their conferences, behavior like Dawkins's doesn't help, especially after that specific discussion.

You can imagine the results. Massive YouTube-fueled backlash. Dawkins posts a sarcastic comment basically saying she has no right to complain, which eggs the trolls on. And so on. Google "Dawkins" and "Skepchick" to find the whole story.

tl;dr: Dawkins is not good at being a human being. Good biologist maybe, but not good person.

Wait a second, asking people out is misogyny now?

Only when a man does it.

Gays have their acceptance movements, atheists, another despised group, could use one too.

The atheism movement is not about acceptance, it's about abolishing religion.

Depends on the country. In Islamic countries it's more about acceptance of disbelief.

[Frisivisia]

I have a new teardrop tattoo for "spamming, flaming, and trollnaming". Three days seemed unnecessary, but it let me chill with my bros on the inside for a while.

I missed you.

It seems that I am all that stands between this forum and boring, unfunny politics-debating mediocrity.

[Seitonjin]

Gays have their acceptance movements, atheists, another despised group, could use one too.

The atheism movement is not about acceptance, it's about abolishing religion.

Which is a bit silly in the long run.

[Luveria]

The atheism movement is not about acceptance, it's about abolishing religion.

Which is a bit silly in the long run.

What is atheism without religion? It is like light without darkness.

[Battenburgia]

Yeah, sure. Paganism is still stupid and ridiculous and it would be a struggle to get more than four teenage girls to show up, but feel free.

there's thousands of them where I live.

[Frisivisia]

The atheism movement is not about acceptance, it's about abolishing religion.

Which is a bit silly in the long run.

We'd be better off without it, plus it doesn't make sense, so there's that.

[Orcoa]

The atheism movement is not about acceptance, it's about abolishing religion.

A noble goal.

Ok you got to be fucking joking now....I mean come on Joe...seriously

[Tenebriso]

Ha. Your worse than Fox & Friends right now. This is fucking ridiculous. How about instead of insulting people's beliefs, you actually accept that there are people with different belief systems than you. Is that too much of a concept for you to grasp?

Your beliefs are different than mine. I accept that and you should be able to believe what you want.

However, your beliefs are not shielded from criticism. They are not precious or special, they're beliefs, everyone has them, and everyone can talk about theirs and bad about everyone else's.

You aren't criticizing. You are bashing. Criticizing is giving legitimate arguments without, you know, insults. How about you actually read up on pagans? You would find out more than "4 teenage girls" follow it. You aren't providing any legitimate arguments other than calling it stupid and childish...which is essentially stupid and childish.

[Frisivisia]

Yeah, sure. Paganism is still stupid and ridiculous and it would be a struggle to get more than four teenage girls to show up, but feel free.

there's thousands of them where I live.

Let's remember that there are billions of people in the world and numbers give no extra right-itude to political movements.

[Blasveck]

I missed you.

It seems that I am all that stands between this forum and boring, unfunny politics-debating mediocrity.

Says the boring unfunny politics-debating mediocre poster.

(I kid, I kid)

[Nueva Zapatista]

...Dawkins isn't calling Islam dumb here, he's calling Muslims dumb.

Here is what Dawkins is saying http://www.richarddawkins.net/foundation_articles/2013/8/9/calm-reflections-after-a-storm-in-a-teacup

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Gays have their acceptance movements, atheists, another despised group, could use one too.

The atheism movement is not about acceptance, it's about abolishing religion.

It's nothing of the sort. No-one (except the lunatic fringe) wants to abolish religion.

[Frisivisia]

Your beliefs are different than mine. I accept that and you should be able to believe what you want.

However, your beliefs are not shielded from criticism. They are not precious or special, they're beliefs, everyone has them, and everyone can talk about theirs and bad about everyone else's.

You aren't criticizing. You are bashing. Criticizing is giving legitimate arguments without, you know, insults. How about you actually read up on pagans? You would find out more than "4 teenage girls" follow it. You aren't providing any legitimate arguments other than calling it stupid and childish...which is essentially stupid and childish.

You're free to say, "Hey! That's unfair, Joe! Why exactly is Paganism stupid, boring, and essentially undefinable as a singular religion?"

I will answer you.

[Seitonjin]

Which is a bit silly in the long run.

What is atheism without religion? It is like light without darkness.

Either way religion is declining. Militantness only seems to make the religious uptight and grow.

But I am not to sure about this. So...

Seitonjin: -10
Luveria: still 0

[Frisivisia]

It seems that I am all that stands between this forum and boring, unfunny politics-debating mediocrity.

Says the boring unfunny politics-debating mediocre poster.

(I kid, I kid)

You're making me very sad.

[The Parkus Empire]

The atheism movement is not about acceptance, it's about abolishing religion.

It's nothing of the sort. No-one (except the lunatic fringe) wants to abolish religion.

I don't mean forcibly.

[Mushet]

Since nobody seems to be informing Fris on Dawkins's misogyny and he genuinely seems only to know it involves an elevator, here's what happened:

At an atheist conference. Dawkins is of course a major speaker, etc, etc. A group of people meet in the bar at the hotel where it's being held and talk. The discussion turns to misogyny within the atheist movement.

Afterwards, in the elevator, Dawkins is alone with one of the women from the discussion in the bar. He asks her if she wants to go to his room for coffee. Coffee was available at the bar. She declines.

Afterwards, she makes a video (She was already a Youtuber, I think making videos about atheism and feminism) saying that if men want to make women feel at home at their conferences, behavior like Dawkins's doesn't help, especially after that specific discussion.

You can imagine the results. Massive YouTube-fueled backlash. Dawkins posts a sarcastic comment basically saying she has no right to complain, which eggs the trolls on. And so on. Google "Dawkins" and "Skepchick" to find the whole story.

tl;dr: Dawkins is not good at being a human being. Good biologist maybe, but not good person.

I read about that, Dawkins didn't proposition her in the elevator though, he just argued in the comments section and sort of made an ass out of himself.

[The Grey Wolf]

I missed you.

It seems that I am all that stands between this forum and boring, unfunny politics-debating mediocrity.

All hail Joe Biden, master of comedy, destroyer of mediocrity.

[Frisivisia]

What is atheism without religion? It is like light without darkness.

Either way religion is declining. Militantness only seems to make the religious uptight and grow.

But I am not to sure about this. So...

Seitonjin: -10
Luveria: still 0

Yes, that's why don't go around bombing churches. Can you tell me the last time an atheist was "MILITANT"?

[Luveria]

The atheism movement is not about acceptance, it's about abolishing religion.

It's nothing of the sort. No-one (except the lunatic fringe) wants to abolish religion.

Then the lunatic fringe is quite large in America.

What is atheism without religion? It is like light without darkness.

Either way religion is declining. Militantness only seems to make the religious uptight and grow.

But I am not to sure about this. So...

Seitonjin: -10
Luveria: still 0

I always do eventually win.