Richard Dawkins: Islam is Bad

[Luveria]

And so?

Gays have their acceptance movements, atheists, another despised group, could use one too.

We could use a Pagan Pride Parade.

It is definitely religious.

I present exhibit A: North Korea.


I'll usually go with both since it's religious people who tend to get into a political position based on religion.


An ideology which strongly implies all religions are total bullshit and thus you should free people from "the opiate of the masses" isn't strong motivation to turn people hostile against religion?

All religions are total bullshit, that's a fact. Atheism just means you don't believe in a God.

Joe, I'm not disagreeing with you.

[Frisivisia]

Obviously, all atheists are, pfft, "holier than thou" about being hated and despised and essentially unable to hold public office at all or live in religious communities.

And we aren't hated or unable to hold public office? I daresay you would have an easier time as an atheist getting elected in some areas than a pagan.

I looked back through my post, and I mean really hard, and I still found myself unable to find where exactly I said that.

[Luveria]

Pagans get attacked too. There was a thread not long ago about fundies demanding to ban a pagan festival in some state, for being Satanic or something like that.

And that's horrible. Sure is a good thing I didn't say that pagans aren't oppressed.

They are wrong and their beliefs rather "teenage phase"ish.

Sure but as far as I'm concerned their adherents aren't causing me much harm or doing anything of significance to me.

[Tenebriso]

Pagans get attacked too. There was a thread not long ago about fundies demanding to ban a pagan festival in some state, for being Satanic or something like that.

And that's horrible. Sure is a good thing I didn't say that pagans aren't oppressed.

They are wrong and their beliefs rather "teenage phase"ish.

What the Fuck is that supposed to mean? Are you implying that it is any different than any other religion?

[Frisivisia]

Gays have their acceptance movements, atheists, another despised group, could use one too.

We could use a Pagan Pride Parade.

Yeah, sure. Paganism is still stupid and ridiculous and it would be a struggle to get more than four teenage girls to show up, but feel free.

[Orcoa]

And so?

Gays have their acceptance movements, atheists, another despised group, could use one too.

But that is not what Dawkins or his kind want


I want Atheist to have the freedom to not believe in any god or gods, to have jobs without being kicked out for their disbelief, and I want them to have the equal rights that are given to all mankind.

But what Dawkins wants is something completely and utter different

[Frisivisia]

And that's horrible. Sure is a good thing I didn't say that pagans aren't oppressed.

They are wrong and their beliefs rather "teenage phase"ish.

What the Fuck is that supposed to mean? Are you implying that it is any different than any other religion?

No, I'm implying that it's stupid and often used as a means of disobeying "authority" and "conformity".

No, I don't have a source.

[Frisivisia]

Gays have their acceptance movements, atheists, another despised group, could use one too.

But that is not what Dawkins or his kind want


I want Atheist to have the freedom to not believe in any god or gods, to have jobs without being kicked out for their disbelief, and I want them to have the equal rights that are given to all mankind.

But what Dawkins wants is something completely and utter different

You sure about that, summer?

[Orcoa]

We could use a Pagan Pride Parade.

Yeah, sure. Paganism is still stupid and ridiculous and it would be a struggle to get more than four teenage girls to show up, but feel free.

I love that generalization of Paganism there Joe

[Frisivisia]

Yeah, sure. Paganism is still stupid and ridiculous and it would be a struggle to get more than four teenage girls to show up, but feel free.

I love that generalization of Paganism there Joe

Don't care.

[Luveria]

And that's horrible. Sure is a good thing I didn't say that pagans aren't oppressed.

They are wrong and their beliefs rather "teenage phase"ish.

What the Fuck is that supposed to mean? Are you implying that it is any different than any other religion?

I do hope he's referring to how a lot of teens are drawn to religions like Wicca since they join up as part of a rebellious anti-Christian phase due to being raised in a Christian home. I may have possibly been there and done that, but I do recognize the religion of Wicca itself isn't teeny, just that it's a teen-magnet.

We could use a Pagan Pride Parade.

Yeah, sure. Paganism is still stupid and ridiculous and it would be a struggle to get more than four teenage girls to show up, but feel free.

Pagans should have the right to not be be attacked or have to deal with fundie movements to ban their Pagan festivals.

[Orcoa]

But that is not what Dawkins or his kind want


I want Atheist to have the freedom to not believe in any god or gods, to have jobs without being kicked out for their disbelief, and I want them to have the equal rights that are given to all mankind.

But what Dawkins wants is something completely and utter different

You sure about that, summer?

.....are you accusing me of being a summer timer?

[Tenebriso]

We could use a Pagan Pride Parade.

Yeah, sure. Paganism is still stupid and ridiculous and it would be a struggle to get more than four teenage girls to show up, but feel free.

Ha. Your worse than Fox & Friends right now. This is fucking ridiculous. How about instead of insulting people's beliefs, you actually accept that there are people with different belief systems than you. Is that too much of a concept for you to grasp?

[Nationalist State of Knox]

We could use a Pagan Pride Parade.

Yeah, sure. Paganism is still stupid and ridiculous and it would be a struggle to get more than four teenage girls to show up, but feel free.

Pardon?

[Battenburgia]

If Christians etc stopped promoting their religion so forcibly and visibly as they have been doing for 100s of years without sign of shutting up, and just got on with their worship quietly and without trying to push their beliefs on others, I think you'll find all the nasty loud atheists would just go away.

Then attack fundies, not all religions. The nasty loud atheists aren't any different than a fundie to me.

I do. Everytime I hear a fundamental statement from someone religious...such as women having secondary status to men...I react. This rarely happens with Pagans or Buddhist people I know so I rarely get to "attack" them with my evil loud atheist thoughts ............if only the other religions would shut up about it it would save me a lot of bother

[Luveria]

What the Fuck is that supposed to mean? Are you implying that it is any different than any other religion?

No, I'm implying that it's stupid and often used as a means of disobeying "authority" and "conformity".

No, I don't have a source.

Source reporting in.

Then attack fundies, not all religions. The nasty loud atheists aren't any different than a fundie to me.

I do. Everytime I hear a fundamental statement from someone religious...such as women having secondary status to men...I react. This rarely happens with Pagans or Buddhist people I know so I rarely get to "attack" them with my evil loud atheist thoughts ............if only the other religions would shut up about it it would save me a lot of bother

Newsflash: There are atheist misogynists.

[Shaggai]

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[Gauthier]

Pol Pot, Stalin, English Defence League.

It's not much different.

Wait. Why are you including Pol Pot and Stalin? It wasn't atheism that drove them to do what they did, it was desire for political power.

I didn't know Cambodia had been a Buddhist theocracy prior to Pol Pot's rise.

[Frisivisia]

Yeah, sure. Paganism is still stupid and ridiculous and it would be a struggle to get more than four teenage girls to show up, but feel free.

Ha. Your worse than Fox & Friends right now. This is fucking ridiculous. How about instead of insulting people's beliefs, you actually accept that there are people with different belief systems than you. Is that too much of a concept for you to grasp?

Your beliefs are different than mine. I accept that and you should be able to believe what you want.

However, your beliefs are not shielded from criticism. They are not precious or special, they're beliefs, everyone has them, and everyone can talk about theirs and bad about everyone else's.

[Orcoa]

I love that generalization of Paganism there Joe

Don't care.

Wow way to show your surprisingly bigoted colors there Joe

[Shaggai]

Since nobody seems to be informing Fris on Dawkins's misogyny and he genuinely seems only to know it involves an elevator, here's what happened:

At an atheist conference. Dawkins is of course a major speaker, etc, etc. A group of people meet in the bar at the hotel where it's being held and talk. The discussion turns to misogyny within the atheist movement.

Afterwards, in the elevator, Dawkins is alone with one of the women from the discussion in the bar. He asks her if she wants to go to his room for coffee. Coffee was available at the bar. She declines.

Afterwards, she makes a video (She was already a Youtuber, I think making videos about atheism and feminism) saying that if men want to make women feel at home at their conferences, behavior like Dawkins's doesn't help, especially after that specific discussion.

You can imagine the results. Massive YouTube-fueled backlash. Dawkins posts a sarcastic comment basically saying she has no right to complain, which eggs the trolls on. And so on. Google "Dawkins" and "Skepchick" to find the whole story.

tl;dr: Dawkins is not good at being a human being. Good biologist maybe, but not good person.

[The Grey Wolf]

Ha. Your worse than Fox & Friends right now. This is fucking ridiculous. How about instead of insulting people's beliefs, you actually accept that there are people with different belief systems than you. Is that too much of a concept for you to grasp?

Your beliefs are different than mine. I accept that and you should be able to believe what you want.

However, your beliefs are not shielded from criticism. They are not precious or special, they're beliefs, everyone has them, and everyone can talk about theirs and bad about everyone else's.

Hey Fris, how was prison life?

[Frisivisia]

Since nobody seems to be informing Fris on Dawkins's misogyny and he genuinely seems only to know it involves an elevator, here's what happened:

At an atheist conference. Dawkins is of course a major speaker, etc, etc. A group of people meet in the bar at the hotel where it's being held and talk. The discussion turns to misogyny within the atheist movement.

Afterwards, in the elevator, Dawkins is alone with one of the women from the discussion in the bar. He asks her if she wants to go to his room for coffee. Coffee was available at the bar. She declines.

Afterwards, she makes a video (She was already a Youtuber, I think making videos about atheism and feminism) saying that if men want to make women feel at home at their conferences, behavior like Dawkins's doesn't help, especially after that specific discussion.

You can imagine the results. Massive YouTube-fueled backlash. Dawkins posts a sarcastic comment basically saying she has no right to complain, which eggs the trolls on. And so on. Google "Dawkins" and "Skepchick" to find the whole story.

tl;dr: Dawkins is not good at being a human being. Good biologist maybe, but not good person.

Wait a second, asking people out is misogyny now?

[Mavorpen]

Wait. Why are you including Pol Pot and Stalin? It wasn't atheism that drove them to do what they did, it was desire for political power.

I didn't know Cambodia had been a Buddhist theocracy prior to Pol Pot's rise.

What?

[The Parkus Empire]

And so?

Gays have their acceptance movements, atheists, another despised group, could use one too.

The atheism movement is not about acceptance, it's about abolishing religion.