Richard Dawkins: Islam is Bad

[The Steel Magnolia]

The secularist and rationalist movement, which has been going on for a few hundred years now, seems to be worthwhile. The atheist movement appears to have started in the 20th Century, and consists of considering every person who believes in god(s) as a walking disease.

That is a completely fair-minded observation of the "Hey, Maybe Religion is Dumb and Bad" Movement.

...Yeah? That seems pretty accurate to me, actually. Your label... is not a flattering one.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Yep!

What a MILITANT! SHOOTING GUNS AND BLOWING THINGS UP!!!!!!

Oh wait, that's what he's speaking against.

Well shit.

Cool strawman I guess? I just called him a bigot. Which he is.

[Galborg]

Luveria didn't say that.

People do that a lot to me lately. They can't dispute my post so they drag in things I never said, expecting me to defend it so they have something to attack me on.

I never quoted Luveria. The good men do good quote is from the God Delusion. The second sentence is MY application of the proverb to the specific case of Tutu. I never mentioned Luveria at all.

[Frisivisia]

That is a completely fair-minded observation of the "Hey, Maybe Religion is Dumb and Bad" Movement.

...Yeah? That seems pretty accurate to me, actually. Your label... is not a flattering one.

Let's be fair, atheism is the superior philosophical position.

Also, the label is meant to be unflattering, understandably enough.

Didn't we clash on this same issue before?

What a MILITANT! SHOOTING GUNS AND BLOWING THINGS UP!!!!!!

Oh wait, that's what he's speaking against.

Well shit.

Cool strawman I guess? I just called him a bigot. Which he is.

What happened again? Didn't a whole bunch of people jump on him over something he said about some guy on an elevator?

[The Parkus Empire]

The secularist and rationalist movement, which has been going on for a few hundred years now, seems to be worthwhile. The atheist movement appears to have started in the 20th Century, and consists of considering every person who believes in god(s) as a walking disease.

That is a completely fair-minded observation of the "Hey, Maybe Religion is Dumb and Bad" Movement.

Dawkins isn't calling Islam dumb here, he's calling Muslims dumb.

[Frisivisia]

That is a completely fair-minded observation of the "Hey, Maybe Religion is Dumb and Bad" Movement.

Dawkins isn't calling Islam dumb here, he's calling Muslims dumb.

That's no good.

[The Steel Magnolia]

...Yeah? That seems pretty accurate to me, actually. Your label... is not a flattering one.

Let's be fair, atheism is the superior philosophical position.

Also, the label is meant to be unflattering, understandably enough.

Didn't we clash on this same issue before?

Cool strawman I guess? I just called him a bigot. Which he is.

What happened again? Didn't a whole bunch of people jump on him over something he said about some guy on an elevator?

Cute misogyny.

[Luveria]

People do that a lot to me lately. They can't dispute my post so they drag in things I never said, expecting me to defend it so they have something to attack me on.

I never quoted Luveria. The good men do good quote is from the God Delusion. The second sentence is MY application of the proverb to the specific case of Tutu. I never mentioned Luveria at all.

Generally when you're responding to a post and say *insert statement against something the poster didn't say but possibly believes* it looks like you're directing it at the poster, and not saying it in general. Perhaps try being more specific about it so it doesn't look like that.

That is a completely fair-minded observation of the "Hey, Maybe Religion is Dumb and Bad" Movement.

Dawkins isn't calling Islam dumb here, he's calling Muslims dumb.

And I know a few Muslims who feel the same way about Muslim fundies as most westerners do. But hey, lets generalize and group all Muslims into one category, it's not like there could be progressive Muslims unlike how there are progressive Christians and fundie Christians.

[Frisivisia]

Let's be fair, atheism is the superior philosophical position.

Also, the label is meant to be unflattering, understandably enough.

Didn't we clash on this same issue before?


What happened again? Didn't a whole bunch of people jump on him over something he said about some guy on an elevator?

Cute misogyny.

Wait what now? I'm a feminist just like everyone, I'm just not entirely cued in on the situation.

It serves feminism poorly when you go out shouting misogyny at everyone you have a minor misunderstanding with.

[The Parkus Empire]

Dawkins isn't calling Islam dumb here, he's calling Muslims dumb.

That's no good.

And that's what the atheist movement is. It's not, "Religion is scientifically unsustainable," it's, "You people are dumb I'm so smart."

[Frisivisia]

That's no good.

And that's what the atheist movement is. It's not, "Religion is scientifically unsustainable," it's, "You people are dumb I'm so smart."

How do you figure?

[Luveria]

That's no good.

And that's what the atheist movement is. It's not, "Religion is scientifically unsustainable," it's, "You people are dumb I'm so smart."

Sounds just like fundieism. No different.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Cute misogyny.

Wait what now? I'm a feminist just like everyone, I'm just not entirely cued in on the situation.

It serves feminism poorly when you go out shouting misogyny at everyone you have a minor misunderstanding with.

You clearly know the details but seem intent on defending him regardless?

Those who defend misogynists are not, generally, people feminists look highly at.

[Frisivisia]

And that's what the atheist movement is. It's not, "Religion is scientifically unsustainable," it's, "You people are dumb I'm so smart."

Sounds just like fundieism. No different.

It's exactly the same. Some people blow up buildings, others shoot doctors for performing abortions, and then you have the absolute same thing when Richard Dawkins says something provocative for attention.

[Mavorpen]

Those who defend misogynists are not, generally, people feminists look highly at.

...Why? You can defend someone for making a correct statement, even if they may be misogynist.

[Frisivisia]

Wait what now? I'm a feminist just like everyone, I'm just not entirely cued in on the situation.

It serves feminism poorly when you go out shouting misogyny at everyone you have a minor misunderstanding with.

You clearly know the details but seem intent on defending him regardless?

Those who defend misogynists are not, generally, people feminists look highly at.

How dare I take a somewhat neutral stance on something I don't know about! I should know that feminists are generally right and barely ever do anything bad, unlike the evil Richard Dawkins Atheist Movement.

[Frisivisia]

Those who defend misogynists are not, generally, people feminists look highly at.

...Why? You can defend someone for making a correct statement, even if they may be misogynist.

I never knew you were a secret closet misogynist, Mav. Now we can build a treehouse and have a club.

[Warda]

Sounds just like fundieism. No different.

It's exactly the same. Some people blow up buildings, others shoot doctors for performing abortions, and then you have the absolute same thing when Richard Dawkins says something provocative for attention.

extremism isn't necessarily fundamentalism

[Gauthier]

Sounds just like fundieism. No different.

It's exactly the same. Some people blow up buildings, others shoot doctors for performing abortions, and then you have the absolute same thing when Richard Dawkins says something provocative for attention.

And China is persecuting Falun Gong and Christians because their God Mao demands they crush unbelievers.

[The Parkus Empire]

And that's what the atheist movement is. It's not, "Religion is scientifically unsustainable," it's, "You people are dumb I'm so smart."

How do you figure?

By looking at the foremost speaker of the movement.

[The Rich Port]

Oh, yeah, almost forgot.

Source for Dawkins being sexist?

I looked it up and... I'm just confused by what I found.

[Luveria]

Sounds just like fundieism. No different.

It's exactly the same. Some people blow up buildings, others shoot doctors for performing abortions, and then you have the absolute same thing when Richard Dawkins says something provocative for attention.

Pol Pot, Stalin, English Defence League.

It's not much different.

[Battenburgia]

As am I. That's why I prefer not to mention my atheism at all. I don't want to identify as an atheist. I'm a person who happens to be atheist, that's all. People who openly go around saying they are an atheist, are no different than the people they loathe who go around introducing themselves as Christians.

I never used to make a fuss about my atheism years ago, I never knew an atheist that did. But seeing as we are importing all that american creationist and fundamentalist bullshit here and nasty christians are getting louder, I feel atheist people are just forced to respond and to out themselves as being what they are instead of quietly blending into the background..

If Christians etc stopped promoting their religion so forcibly and visibly as they have been doing for 100s of years without sign of shutting up, and just got on with their worship quietly and without trying to push their beliefs on others, I think you'll find all the nasty loud atheists would just go away.

[Frisivisia]

How do you figure?

By looking at the foremost speaker of the movement.

Clearly, Bill O'Reilly represents the entirety of the American Right and Obama the Left. THERE IS NO IN BETWEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!111

[Mavorpen]

It's exactly the same. Some people blow up buildings, others shoot doctors for performing abortions, and then you have the absolute same thing when Richard Dawkins says something provocative for attention.

Pol Pot, Stalin, English Defence League.

It's not much different.

Wait. Why are you including Pol Pot and Stalin? It wasn't atheism that drove them to do what they did, it was desire for political power.