Richard Dawkins: Islam is Bad

[The Steel Magnolia]

Sure, I think he's definitely regretting it now.

But it's still out there.

So, it's a matter of bad analogy, not that he's equating religion to National Socialism.
That's the whole issue.

Except he explicitly equated it to Nazism.

He might not have meant it that way, but like I've said so many times before: intentions are meaningless. What matters are the consequences.

[Frisivisia]

Point taken. Anyone who dislikes anything is a bigot.

Anyone who dislikes a social group purely based on social group membership, however, is.

For the last fucking time, I don't hate religious people. I'm perched right up on the edge of destroying my very nice keyboard in rage.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Nope, because I'm an evil bigot who loves Hitler. Haven't you read every one of Maggie's posts for the last fifteen minutes?

Actually, I have. I read three pages back because it is late and I have nothing better to do. You do sound bigoted, but not to Hitler levels.

I've never called him Hitler. He, however, thinks we should ban religion because we ban Nazism.

[Blasveck]

You have been saying abolish all religion, world would be better off with religion, etc. etc.


You have no excuses for that.


Fris is only one of many. Every time I see someone say HERPA DERPA ALL RELIGION BAD! SMASH! RAWR! I think what the fuck have Wiccans ever done to you, seriously?

When I agreed with the "abolish religion" guy, it was obvious that he meant through completely nonviolent, non-forceful methods like teaching reason and science.

Where are you guys getting this quote that I hate all religious people and want to concentration camp them? Can I get a link?

I think Fris has a point, even if it is disagreeable.

[Hathradic States]

One could argue the whole "choice" thing, there.

Can you though?

There was a study posted earlier about the brain differences between atheists and theists.

Yes, you can. I chose my beliefs, thank you very much.

[New Libertarian States]

So, it's a matter of bad analogy, not that he's equating religion to National Socialism.
That's the whole issue.

Except he explicitly equated it to Nazism.

He might not have meant it that way, but like I've said so many times before: intentions are meaningless. What matters are the consequences.

Can I have the link to the quote, so I can better judge it?

[The Steel Magnolia]

Anyone who dislikes a social group purely based on social group membership, however, is.

For the last fucking time, I don't hate religious people. I'm perched right up on the edge of destroying my very nice keyboard in rage.

Sorry, I just don't believe you in the slightest.

[Seitonjin]

He makes atheism look like a faith when it clear as hell isn't.

I guess that depends on how atheism is viewed by the particular atheist. I've heard of people holding atheism as a belief system, which is very weird to me as atheism to me has always been the lack of a belief system based on deities.

But atheism is a lack of faith...

@Luv- An excuse of mixing up your gender or jumping into the wall?

[The Parkus Empire]

His atheism is not my own. His is a belief, mine is lack of one.

He makes atheism look like a faith when it clear as hell isn't.

It can be. To him it is very much a part of his identity, of what drives him, of what makes him who he is. I'd prefer that be rationalism in my case

[Frisivisia]

So, it's a matter of bad analogy, not that he's equating religion to National Socialism.
That's the whole issue.

Except he explicitly equated it to Nazism.

He might not have meant it that way, but like I've said so many times before: intentions are meaningless. What matters are the consequences.

So you're punishing me for using a completely valid analogy of "ideas I don't like"? As long as the internet is clean of anything that you can take advantage of.

[Hathradic States]

King Hath disagrees with that.

All transgressors of the peace and love shall be burnt at the stake, and served to the homeless.

The Queen thinks that that is not very peaceful and loving???

It's feeding the homeless, though. D:

[Frisivisia]

For the last fucking time, I don't hate religious people. I'm perched right up on the edge of destroying my very nice keyboard in rage.

Sorry, I just don't believe you in the slightest.

I don't care.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Can you though?

There was a study posted earlier about the brain differences between atheists and theists.

Yes, you can. I chose my beliefs, thank you very much.

I'm not necessarily making a claim one way or another, I'm just thinking about the poor people who didn't realize they were gay/bi/trans until late in their lives, and I was wondering if it wasn't quite the same for religions.

[The Parkus Empire]

Anyone who dislikes a social group purely based on social group membership, however, is.

For the last fucking time, I don't hate religious people. I'm perched right up on the edge of destroying my very nice keyboard in rage.

Don't tell me they don't irritate you, because even I get irritated by Jesus talk

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I guess that depends on how atheism is viewed by the particular atheist. I've heard of people holding atheism as a belief system, which is very weird to me as atheism to me has always been the lack of a belief system based on deities.

But atheism is a lack of faith...

@Luv- An excuse of mixing up your gender or jumping into the wall?

Yes, but some people have made it, ironically, their belief system.

[Hathradic States]

Actually, I have. I read three pages back because it is late and I have nothing better to do. You do sound bigoted, but not to Hitler levels.

I've never called him Hitler. He, however, thinks we should ban religion because we ban Nazism.

I didn't see Fris post exactly that, but I may be wrong. Could you link me to the relevant post?

[The Steel Magnolia]

Except he explicitly equated it to Nazism.

He might not have meant it that way, but like I've said so many times before: intentions are meaningless. What matters are the consequences.

Can I have the link to the quote, so I can better judge it?

As I'm so fond of saying, formal equality is not substantive equality. So too is it with discrimination. Formalized discrimination is not the same as substantive discrimination.

Why do we functionally forbid Nazism? What bastards we are.

[Frisivisia]

Yes, you can. I chose my beliefs, thank you very much.

I'm not necessarily making a claim one way or another, I'm just thinking about the poor people who didn't realize they were gay/bi/trans until late in their lives, and I was wondering if it wasn't quite the same for religions.

You can't argue that nothing we do is a choice and immediately tie it back to the "gay/bi/trans" bludgeon you so enjoy using.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

For the last fucking time, I don't hate religious people. I'm perched right up on the edge of destroying my very nice keyboard in rage.

Don't tell me they don't irritate you, because even I get irritated by Jesus talk

Proselytising is what irritates me.

[Luveria]

So, it's a matter of bad analogy, not that he's equating religion to National Socialism.
That's the whole issue.

Except he explicitly equated it to Nazism.

He might not have meant it that way, but like I've said so many times before: intentions are meaningless. What matters are the consequences.

This. Comparing something to Nazism has certain implications. Amusing that's from the guy who gets pissy about Godwin's Law.

When I agreed with the "abolish religion" guy, it was obvious that he meant through completely nonviolent, non-forceful methods like teaching reason and science.

Where are you guys getting this quote that I hate all religious people and want to concentration camp them? Can I get a link?

I think Fris has a point, even if it is disagreeable.

He has no point. Not one bit.

If Fris has a point, then why the fuck am I defending religious people from Fris' douchiness? Don't you see what that does? He's not abolishing religion. He's making atheists defend it, because he's being that douchy.

[Frisivisia]

Can I have the link to the quote, so I can better judge it?

Why do we functionally forbid Nazism? What bastards we are.

The man deserves a little context. I'm a bit like the Koran, you dig?

[Seitonjin]

But atheism is a lack of faith...

@Luv- An excuse of mixing up your gender or jumping into the wall?

Yes, but some people have made it, ironically, their belief system.

How is this...?

I am brainbroke.

[New Libertarian States]

For the last fucking time, I don't hate religious people. I'm perched right up on the edge of destroying my very nice keyboard in rage.

Don't tell me they don't irritate you, because even I get irritated by Jesus talk

If someone tells me "Jesus was a cool guy" I wouldn't get annoyed.
When someone says "Jesus says you're going to hell!!!", I think we all get annoyed.

[The Steel Magnolia]

I'm not necessarily making a claim one way or another, I'm just thinking about the poor people who didn't realize they were gay/bi/trans until late in their lives, and I was wondering if it wasn't quite the same for religions.

You can't argue that nothing we do is a choice and immediately tie it back to the "gay/bi/trans" bludgeon you so enjoy using.

I'm not actually arguing that though. I'm saying there are empirically verifiable differences in the brains of the religious and the brains of the not.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Yes, but some people have made it, ironically, their belief system.

How is this...?

I am brainbroke.

Allow me to source it. One sec.