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Postby Solarys » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:51 am

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To be fair, i used to do that from 8th grade to my last year in college. But the results were much better.

That... that really just says to me that you weren't interested in a relationship, you were just interested in getting your dick wet.
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Postby Bottle » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:58 am

Northern Dominus wrote:Look, typically that "tactic" is used in a club or party scene where you'll be talking to multiple people anyway. That sort of environment is for blowing off steam and a release of some kind, so why not if it helps ones ego and keeps things moving along?

If it makes you feel good that you can obtain sex from immature and annoying people, then it sounds like you're on the right track with your strats.

My only point is, well, garbage in = garbage out. You are using a tactic which will drive away any woman who has self-respect and maturity. You are intentionally limiting yourself to people who play petty games. As long as you recognize this, and as long as you don't turn around and bitch about how your partners are so petty and immature, there's no problem.

Northern Dominus wrote:And compared to the usual lines that "pick up artists" employ which are rather insulting and highly mysoginist, the above is pretty harmless all things considered.

Saying that your tactics are better than those of pick up artists is like saying that a night with you is more fun than passing a kidney stone. I strongly suggest you aim higher in life.
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Postby Northern Dominus » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:06 pm

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Northern Dominus wrote:Look, typically that "tactic" is used in a club or party scene where you'll be talking to multiple people anyway. That sort of environment is for blowing off steam and a release of some kind, so why not if it helps ones ego and keeps things moving along?

If it makes you feel good that you can obtain sex from immature and annoying people, then it sounds like you're on the right track with your strats.

My only point is, well, garbage in = garbage out. You are using a tactic which will drive away any woman who has self-respect and maturity. You are intentionally limiting yourself to people who play petty games. As long as you recognize this, and as long as you don't turn around and bitch about how your partners are so petty and immature, there's no problem.

Northern Dominus wrote:And compared to the usual lines that "pick up artists" employ which are rather insulting and highly mysoginist, the above is pretty harmless all things considered.

Saying that your tactics are better than those of pick up artists is like saying that a night with you is more fun than passing a kidney stone. I strongly suggest you aim higher in life.
If I've gotten to that point then my intent really isn't to pick anyone up at that point, it's to satiate my own ego and annoy x woman who waffled in the first place if possible. Whether or not that results in what TS described earlier is icing on top of the cake. Yes it's pithy and yes it's immature, but then again I try to limit my time in places where that becomes a valid behavior by and large.

As far as quality of partners... yeah not going there, I could cite skill with a spatula and pan for post coital breakfast among other qualitative examples but that's going far afield at this point.
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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:25 pm

I have heard that women often find status more attractive then looks on their own. Is this true?
And if so how must I project power and confidence so women think I am the second Messiah.
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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:27 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:I have heard that women often find status more attractive then looks on their own. Is this true?
And if so how must I project power and confidence so women think I am the second Messiah.

And I've heard that women give more of a shit about personality and chemistry when looking for a relationship.
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Postby Bottle » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:28 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:I have heard that women often find status more attractive then looks on their own. Is this true?
And if so how must I project power and confidence so women think I am the second Messiah.

Some people find status attractive. If you don't actually have status, it's probably not a good idea to spend your time trying to attract the kind of people who want a mate with status.
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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:28 pm

Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:I have heard that women often find status more attractive then looks on their own. Is this true?
And if so how must I project power and confidence so women think I am the second Messiah.

And I've heard that women give more of a shit about personality and chemistry when looking for a relationship.


Ah, so confidence is not that important?
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:29 pm

Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:I have heard that women often find status more attractive then looks on their own. Is this true?
And if so how must I project power and confidence so women think I am the second Messiah.

And I've heard that women give more of a shit about personality and chemistry when looking for a relationship.

In my experience some women do both, some do neither, and some do one or the other.
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Postby Inquilabstan » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:29 pm

Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:I have heard that women often find status more attractive then looks on their own. Is this true?
And if so how must I project power and confidence so women think I am the second Messiah.

And I've heard that women give more of a shit about personality and chemistry when looking for a relationship.

I think that all one needs to get along with most women is a basic level of psychological stability. Why is why I will die alone, with my cats.
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Postby Bottle » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:30 pm

Northern Dominus wrote:If I've gotten to that point then my intent really isn't to pick anyone up at that point, it's to satiate my own ego and annoy x woman who waffled in the first place if possible.

Ok. If you've gotten to that point, then you're basically just grumpy and looking to punish others. I think that's crummy, but you're certainly not the only one doing it.

Northern Dominus wrote: Whether or not that results in what TS described earlier is icing on top of the cake. Yes it's pithy and yes it's immature, but then again I try to limit my time in places where that becomes a valid behavior by and large.

That's good. It sounds like those situations bring out the worst in you, and it's good that you are trying to avoid them. I might suggest you avoid them even harder, if possible, because the world really doesn't need another petty brat acting like a jerk to people who won't fuck him.
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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:30 pm

Inquilabstan wrote:
Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:And I've heard that women give more of a shit about personality and chemistry when looking for a relationship.

I think that all one needs to get along with most women is a basic level of psychological stability. Why is why I will die alone, with my cats.


psychological stability? lol.


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Postby Bottle » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:31 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:And I've heard that women give more of a shit about personality and chemistry when looking for a relationship.


Ah, so confidence is not that important?

Confidence is important to some people. Confidence is not important to other people.

Women are people.

Do the math.
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Postby Inquilabstan » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:32 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Inquilabstan wrote:I think that all one needs to get along with most women is a basic level of psychological stability. Why is why I will die alone, with my cats.


psychological stability? lol.


I'm screwed.

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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:32 pm

Bottle wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Ah, so confidence is not that important?

Confidence is important to some people. Confidence is not important to other people.

Women are people.

Do the math.


I have yet to meet a girl who doesn't like confidence tho.
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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:32 pm

Inquilabstan wrote:
Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:And I've heard that women give more of a shit about personality and chemistry when looking for a relationship.

I think that all one needs to get along with most women is a basic level of psychological stability. Why is why I will die alone, with my cats.

To get along with, maybe.
To have a romantic relationship with, no, you need far more than that.
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Postby Stern des Meeres » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:34 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Bottle wrote:Confidence is important to some people. Confidence is not important to other people.

Women are people.

Do the math.


I have yet to meet a girl who doesn't like confidence tho.

I have yet to meet a person who doesn't like confidence tho.
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Postby Solarys » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:38 pm

Stern des Meeres wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
I have yet to meet a girl who doesn't like confidence tho.

I have yet to meet a person who doesn't like confidence tho.


Depends on the level of confidence and how it translates to in behavior.

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Postby Stern des Meeres » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:41 pm

Solarys wrote:
Stern des Meeres wrote:I have yet to meet a person who doesn't like confidence tho.


Depends on the level of confidence and how it translates to in behavior.

True. I was trying to make the point that women aren't that different from men.
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Postby Bottle » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:44 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Bottle wrote:Confidence is important to some people. Confidence is not important to other people.

Women are people.

Do the math.


I have yet to meet a girl who doesn't like confidence tho.

I have yet to meet a girl who likes green curry. Should I therefore assume no such person exists?
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Postby The Rich Port » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:45 pm

Stern des Meeres wrote:
Solarys wrote:
Depends on the level of confidence and how it translates to in behavior.

True. I was trying to make the point that women aren't that different from men.


It's almost like we're both human beings or something.

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Postby Stern des Meeres » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:45 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Stern des Meeres wrote:True. I was trying to make the point that women aren't that different from men.


It's almost like we're both human beings or something.

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Postby Northern Dominus » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:46 pm

Bottle wrote:
Northern Dominus wrote:If I've gotten to that point then my intent really isn't to pick anyone up at that point, it's to satiate my own ego and annoy x woman who waffled in the first place if possible.

Ok. If you've gotten to that point, then you're basically just grumpy and looking to punish others. I think that's crummy, but you're certainly not the only one doing it.

Northern Dominus wrote: Whether or not that results in what TS described earlier is icing on top of the cake. Yes it's pithy and yes it's immature, but then again I try to limit my time in places where that becomes a valid behavior by and large.

That's good. It sounds like those situations bring out the worst in you, and it's good that you are trying to avoid them. I might suggest you avoid them even harder, if possible, because the world really doesn't need another petty brat acting like a jerk to people who won't fuck him.
To clarify: to get to that point a woman would have to engage in the most aggrivating "lead-on" before blowing me off in a non-pleasurable manner IE not waving me off early in some fashion whether it be deliberate, an excuse, or general non-interest with feigned polite acknowledgement. Is it childish and a bit grumpy? Yes, but then again I am only human, and it's equally childish lead someone on (legitimately guys, not in any MRA "she had it coming cause she dressed like that" fashion) for whatever reason.

Heck on that note I don't think I've deliberately done that in over a year now (note the deliberately part :P).

And what, no bite on my "morning after breakfast" quip? Damn, must be losing my touch.

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Bottle wrote:Confidence is important to some people. Confidence is not important to other people.

Women are people.

Do the math.


I have yet to meet a girl who doesn't like confidence tho.
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Inquilabstan wrote:I think that all one needs to get along with most women is a basic level of psychological stability. Why is why I will die alone, with my cats.

To get along with, maybe.
To have a romantic relationship with, no, you need far more than that.
Yeah, you need (insert pithy excuse for being a trollop of a human being here).

I think I get where inquilabistan is coming from, but you're mostly right in this case. Yes it helps to not be a sociopath in one sense, but chemistry of either the hot and bright kind and/or warm and glowing kind is essential to any sort of non-platonic entanglement.
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Postby Solarys » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:46 pm

Bottle wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
I have yet to meet a girl who doesn't like confidence tho.

I have yet to meet a girl who likes green curry. Should I therefore assume no such person exists?


Maybe the cooking was bad ? :unsure:

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Postby Bottle » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:48 pm

Solarys wrote:
Stern des Meeres wrote:I have yet to meet a person who doesn't like confidence tho.


Depends on the level of confidence and how it translates to in behavior.

Indeed.

I am not attracted to what most people term "confidence," since I find aggressive, gregarious personalities a bad fit for me. I prefer quiet, reserved self-assurance, which many people mistake for "shyness."

It's true that most people like "confidence," but that's like saying that most people like "beauty." It's vague and subjective, to the point where it's not a very helpful piece of information.
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