General Girl Advice

[Stern des Meeres]

My point exactly. If you would look around, you might find girls who are completely normal sans their intelligence and potential awkwardness. That's also not to say that all nerds are awkward.

Nerds are not awkward, I am one.

The ones that like to play with Ouija boards are awkward.

Once again, generalizing is going to get you nowhere with this.
Also I like Ouija boards.

[Solarys]

Right... so then what miraculously non-arbitrary "feminine" standards are you suggesting are somehow as hard-wired and unflinching as sexual orientation? C'mon, go ahead and get specific we'll let ya.

As in, the things that you find attractive in a person. For me, being feminine is one of them (in the case of women ofcourse). Doesn't mean that it is universal.

I for example can't call anyone who doesn't "fit" into my preferences attractive and yes, that is pretty unflinching as my sexual orientation.

[Galloism]

I can't believe my "hire a prostitute" suggestion was so summarily ignored.

It's a really good idea. Hammurab told me so.

[Lordieth]

I've never been good at thinking of ways to start a conversation with a girl, so I generally open with a situational joke. The joke probably isn't that funny, but if the girl laughs she's either just being nice, in which case she's unlikely to tell me to go jump if I talk to her, or she's interested. Either way, the pressure's off, and even if it turns out she isn't at all interested, I've had a nice chat with someone.



I think the difficulty in talking to girls isn't in what to say, it's the thought process itself; "I don't want her to think I'm talking to her because I fancy her, even though I do, just in case she isn't interested".

So really if you stop worrying about rejection, then the rest should come naturally.

Why don't you want her to think that you're talking to her because you fancy her?

Well, if she doesn't, then there's little risk of rejection, if she doesn't think you're interested. Sort of a "I fancy you, but don't want you to know I fancy you until I've had the chance to work out if you fancy me".

I never said it was simple.

[Haakopen]

Nerds are not awkward, I am one.

The ones that like to play with Ouija boards are awkward.

Once again, generalizing is going to get you nowhere with this.
Also I like Ouija boards.

I was once pranked with Ouija boards. Some friends thought it would be funny to set up a fake Ouija board session and make me believe and actual demonic spirit was haunting us all, due to my extreme religousness back then.

Not funny, at all.

[Stern des Meeres]

Why don't you want her to think that you're talking to her because you fancy her?

Well, if she doesn't, then there's little risk of rejection, if she doesn't think you're interested. Sort of a "I fancy you, but don't want you to know I fancy you until I've had the chance to work out if you fancy me".

I never said it was simple.

I've always been really good at reading people, so I've never had this problem. I know from the minute someone sits down and talks to me if they "fancy" me or not. Also, it doesn't matter what the person really thinks about me when I'm having a conversation. I'm not going to do anything different whether he does or doesn't like me.

[Ethel mermania]

My point exactly. If you would look around, you might find girls who are completely normal sans their intelligence and potential awkwardness. That's also not to say that all nerds are awkward.

Nerds are not awkward, I am one.

The ones that like to play with Ouija boards are awkward.

1. clealy you have not seen revenge of the nerds I, II, III, and IV
2. the ones who play with the ouija boards tend to be sensitive and wind up being great lays.

[Northern Dominus]

Right... so then what miraculously non-arbitrary "feminine" standards are you suggesting are somehow as hard-wired and unflinching as sexual orientation? C'mon, go ahead and get specific we'll let ya.

As in, the things that you find attractive in a person. For me, being feminine is one of them (in the case of women ofcourse). Doesn't mean that it is universal.

I for example can't call anyone who doesn't "fit" into my preferences attractive and yes, that is pretty unflinching as my sexual orientation.

Hmm.. I think I see where you're going with this...

Moving on.

I can't believe my "hire a prostitute" suggestion was so summarily ignored.

It's a really good idea. Hammurab told me so.

Certainly is much simpler given the comparable expense of going to a bar where women who professional escorts tend to model congregate.

Why don't you want her to think that you're talking to her because you fancy her?

Well, if she doesn't, then there's little risk of rejection, if she doesn't think you're interested. Sort of a "I fancy you, but don't want you to know I fancy you until I've had the chance to work out if you fancy me".

I never said it was simple.

And if she doesn't... so what? Go and flirt with somebody else in plain view of her then. Attraction isn't about precision strikes in the early stages, it's carpet bombing until someone reacts favorably.

[The Blaatschapen]

And if she doesn't... so what? Go and flirt with somebody else in plain view of her then. Attraction isn't about precision strikes in the early stages, it's carpet bombing until someone reacts favorably.

Does the carpet bombing match the drapes?

[Lordieth]

As in, the things that you find attractive in a person. For me, being feminine is one of them (in the case of women ofcourse). Doesn't mean that it is universal.

I for example can't call anyone who doesn't "fit" into my preferences attractive and yes, that is pretty unflinching as my sexual orientation.

Hmm.. I think I see where you're going with this...

Moving on.

I can't believe my "hire a prostitute" suggestion was so summarily ignored.

It's a really good idea. Hammurab told me so.

Certainly is much simpler given the comparable expense of going to a bar where women who professional escorts tend to model congregate.

Well, if she doesn't, then there's little risk of rejection, if she doesn't think you're interested. Sort of a "I fancy you, but don't want you to know I fancy you until I've had the chance to work out if you fancy me".

I never said it was simple.

And if she doesn't... so what? Go and flirt with somebody else in plain view of her then. Attraction isn't about precision strikes in the early stages, it's carpet bombing until someone reacts favorably.

Ah, playing the odds. That works too. I find parties are the best place for that approach. Easy to introduce yourself to people. That, and alcohol helps, although I don't think it's the best way to meet someone.

[Northern Dominus]

And if she doesn't... so what? Go and flirt with somebody else in plain view of her then. Attraction isn't about precision strikes in the early stages, it's carpet bombing until someone reacts favorably.

Does the carpet bombing match the drapes?

Hmm... might work at your local wing-nut gun show, although if somebody REALLY wants to pick somebody up there then there are other issues to be had.

]And if she doesn't... so what? Go and flirt with somebody else in plain view of her then. Attraction isn't about precision strikes in the early stages, it's carpet bombing until someone reacts favorably.

Ah, playing the odds. That works too. I find parties are the best place for that approach. Easy to introduce yourself to people. That, and alcohol helps, although I don't think it's the best way to meet someone.

There is no best way to meet somebody. The only incorrect way is to not attempt at all. Beyond that it comes down to timing and either natural or self-generated opportunity.

Really, there's no science or miracle behind talking to somebody you find attractive. It's just talking and being interested, and if it doesn't work out just put a black mark through that encounter and move on to the next.

[Ethel mermania]

There is no best way to meet somebody. The only incorrect way is to not attempt at all.

quite simply this.

[Personal Freedom]

And if she doesn't... so what? Go and flirt with somebody else in plain view of her then. Attraction isn't about precision strikes in the early stages, it's carpet bombing until someone reacts favorably.

never attempt that.
I've seen it done.
It is hilarious to watch...

[Solarys]

And if she doesn't... so what? Go and flirt with somebody else in plain view of her then. Attraction isn't about precision strikes in the early stages, it's carpet bombing until someone reacts favorably.

never attempt that.
I've seen it done.
It is hilarious to watch...

I have, on many occasions, for different reasons, with different goals in mind.

Oh and always a success.

[Northern Dominus]

And if she doesn't... so what? Go and flirt with somebody else in plain view of her then. Attraction isn't about precision strikes in the early stages, it's carpet bombing until someone reacts favorably.

never attempt that.
I've seen it done.
It is hilarious to watch...

Why not? I've done it multiple times before, some intentional and some unintentional. It's a valid tactic, either it suceeds and the woman in question who didn't respond earlier gets competitive, or she takes offense and probably wasn't the best person to attempt to "hook up" with then.

[The Rich Port]

My point exactly. If you would look around, you might find girls who are completely normal sans their intelligence and potential awkwardness. That's also not to say that all nerds are awkward.

Nerds are not awkward, I am one.

The ones that like to play with Ouija boards are awkward.

... I knew girls that were into Ouija.

[Personal Freedom]

never attempt that.
I've seen it done.
It is hilarious to watch...

Why not? I've done it multiple times before, some intentional and some unintentional. It's a valid tactic, either it suceeds and the woman in question who didn't respond earlier gets competitive, or she takes offense and probably wasn't the best person to attempt to "hook up" with then.

I saw a kid ask out an entire seventh grade. The only one who said yes was the only one he refused to ask out or go out with, and she also was a special Ed student that still wore diapers.

[Personal Freedom]

Why I am love shy is so I don't look like that guy.

[Bottle]

never attempt that.
I've seen it done.
It is hilarious to watch...

Why not? I've done it multiple times before, some intentional and some unintentional. It's a valid tactic, either it suceeds and the woman in question who didn't respond earlier gets competitive, or she takes offense and probably wasn't the best person to attempt to "hook up" with then.

If you want to hook up with women who are prone to petty game-playing and childish behavior, then this is a good tactic. Tacky pick-up strategies help you pick up tacky people.

In my experience it's just not worth it. Yes, you can get insecure, infantile, annoying people to fuck you by playing all the high-school drama games they enjoy. But then you have to deal with the fact that all the people you fuck are really annoying.

[Northern Dominus]

Why not? I've done it multiple times before, some intentional and some unintentional. It's a valid tactic, either it suceeds and the woman in question who didn't respond earlier gets competitive, or she takes offense and probably wasn't the best person to attempt to "hook up" with then.

I saw a kid ask out an entire seventh grade. The only one who said yes was the only one he refused to ask out or go out with, and she also was a special Ed student that still wore diapers.

Right... because what works/fails in seventh grade is sure to work everywhere else...

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

never attempt that.
I've seen it done.
It is hilarious to watch...

Why not? I've done it multiple times before, some intentional and some unintentional. It's a valid tactic, either it suceeds and the woman in question who didn't respond earlier gets competitive, or she takes offense and probably wasn't the best person to attempt to "hook up" with then.

It's a dickbag tactic

[Solarys]

Why not? I've done it multiple times before, some intentional and some unintentional. It's a valid tactic, either it suceeds and the woman in question who didn't respond earlier gets competitive, or she takes offense and probably wasn't the best person to attempt to "hook up" with then.

I saw a kid ask out an entire seventh grade. The only one who said yes was the only one he refused to ask out or go out with, and she also was a special Ed student that still wore diapers.

To be fair, i used to do that from 8th grade to my last year in college. But the results were much better.

[Personal Freedom]

Why not? I've done it multiple times before, some intentional and some unintentional. It's a valid tactic, either it suceeds and the woman in question who didn't respond earlier gets competitive, or she takes offense and probably wasn't the best person to attempt to "hook up" with then.

If you want to hook up with women who are prone to petty game-playing and childish behavior, then this is a good tactic. Tacky pick-up strategies help you pick up tacky people.

In my experience it's just not worth it. Yes, you can get insecure, infantile, annoying people to fuck you by playing all the high-school drama games they enjoy. But then you have to deal with the fact that all the people you fuck are really annoying.

Agreed.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

I saw a kid ask out an entire seventh grade. The only one who said yes was the only one he refused to ask out or go out with, and she also was a special Ed student that still wore diapers.

To be fair, i used to do that from 8th grade to my last year in college. But the results were much better.

That... that really just says to me that you weren't interested in a relationship, you were just interested in getting your dick wet.
I suggest craigslist personals.

[Northern Dominus]

Why not? I've done it multiple times before, some intentional and some unintentional. It's a valid tactic, either it suceeds and the woman in question who didn't respond earlier gets competitive, or she takes offense and probably wasn't the best person to attempt to "hook up" with then.

If you want to hook up with women who are prone to petty game-playing and childish behavior, then this is a good tactic. Tacky pick-up strategies help you pick up tacky people.

In my experience it's just not worth it. Yes, you can get insecure, infantile, annoying people to fuck you by playing all the high-school drama games they enjoy. But then you have to deal with the fact that all the people you fuck are really annoying.

Look, typically that "tactic" is used in a club or party scene where you'll be talking to multiple people anyway. That sort of environment is for blowing off steam and a release of some kind, so why not if it helps ones ego and keeps things moving along? And compared to the usual lines that "pick up artists" employ which are rather insulting and highly mysoginist, the above is pretty harmless all things considered.

Why not? I've done it multiple times before, some intentional and some unintentional. It's a valid tactic, either it suceeds and the woman in question who didn't respond earlier gets competitive, or she takes offense and probably wasn't the best person to attempt to "hook up" with then.

It's a dickbag tactic

Well if I'm getting blown off (in a decidedly non-pleasureable fashion) then the window of nice has been closed.
Besides, notice I didn't cite it as a path to long-term bliss

If you want to hook up with women who are prone to petty game-playing and childish behavior, then this is a good tactic. Tacky pick-up strategies help you pick up tacky people.

In my experience it's just not worth it. Yes, you can get insecure, infantile, annoying people to fuck you by playing all the high-school drama games they enjoy. But then you have to deal with the fact that all the people you fuck are really annoying.

Agreed.

Yeah... and? As I mentioned to TS above, in a club/bar setting my time is precious. Unless the exchange is a two-way street I'm not sitting around and playing a game for very long, at least not directly. Maybe if some people (men and women) were inclined to be more truthful and upfront such tactics wouldn't be needed, but since Maxim and Cosmo are things well...