NationStates

Robloxland wrote:Ütz, If Öltusıği Şed Güde, Öltusıği Öcuturkra gü tö Hvenne, böyt If Öltusıği Şed Tılligü, Öltuşıği Öcuturkra gü tö Hvellıkü. Well, if you are good, you will go to heaven, but if you are bad, you will go to hell.

Bottle wrote:

Nation M wrote:
Well I could understand from an Atheist standpoint how you would fear death and the unknowns of the afterlife (if any).

This is interesting to me, because my personal experience has been that theists are the ones who tend to fear death, while atheists are far more likely to be OK with the idea of dying. Indeed, fear of death, and a need to believe that one won't REALLY die, seems to be one of the primary reasons given by theists for why they are theists in the first place.

Nation M wrote:

Bottle wrote:This is interesting to me, because my personal experience has been that theists are the ones who tend to fear death, while atheists are far more likely to be OK with the idea of dying. Indeed, fear of death, and a need to believe that one won't REALLY die, seems to be one of the primary reasons given by theists for why they are theists in the first place.

alright then, let me rephrase it and say that my personal experience has been quite the opposite. Who knows really, just a guess, could be right, could be wrong. You'll actually find that if you poll Muslims on whether or not they fear death, I'll bet over 95% will say they do not fear death.

Solarys wrote:I think it is better to say that it just depends upon the individual in question.

Nation M wrote:

Bottle wrote:This is interesting to me, because my personal experience has been that theists are the ones who tend to fear death, while atheists are far more likely to be OK with the idea of dying. Indeed, fear of death, and a need to believe that one won't REALLY die, seems to be one of the primary reasons given by theists for why they are theists in the first place.

alright then, let me rephrase it and say that my personal experience has been quite the opposite. Who knows really, just a guess, could be right, could be wrong. You'll actually find that if you poll Muslims on whether or not they fear death, I'll bet over 95% will say they do not fear death.

Solarys wrote:

Robloxland wrote:Ütz, If Öltusıği Şed Güde, Öltusıği Öcuturkra gü tö Hvenne, böyt If Öltusıği Şed Tılligü, Öltuşıği Öcuturkra gü tö Hvellıkü. Well, if you are good, you will go to heaven, but if you are bad, you will go to hell.

Will you serve in heaven
or
Rule in hell ?

Angle Empire wrote:

Solarys wrote:
Will you serve in heaven
or
Rule in hell ?

Will you eat vanilla ice cream without sprinkles?
or
eat dog crap with sprinkles?

Angle Empire wrote:

Solarys wrote:
Will you serve in heaven
or
Rule in hell ?

Will you eat vanilla ice cream without sprinkles?
or
eat dog crap with sprinkles?

Microsol wrote:Impossible to know, let alone have certainty.

Shaggai wrote:

Angle Empire wrote:Will you eat vanilla ice cream without sprinkles?
or
eat dog crap with sprinkles?

Vanilla ice cream is terrible, imo. Besides, if you rule in hell, why would bad things happen to you? You rule there, you can make people not do them.

Farnhamia wrote:

Shaggai wrote:Vanilla ice cream is terrible, imo. Besides, if you rule in hell, why would bad things happen to you? You rule there, you can make people not do them.

Vanilla ice cream is fine. The idea is, Hell by its very nature is the most terrible place in the universe. It's a place where you are denied, utterly denied, the presence and grace of "God." And the worst of it is, you know it. You know that you could be somewhere else but instead you are in Hell. Sure, you might be a ruler there but what are you ruling?

Solarys wrote:

Farnhamia wrote:Vanilla ice cream is fine. The idea is, Hell by its very nature is the most terrible place in the universe. It's a place where you are denied, utterly denied, the presence and grace of "God." And the worst of it is, you know it. You know that you could be somewhere else but instead you are in Hell. Sure, you might be a ruler there but what are you ruling?

As long as i can be far away from "god" i will be happy. And if i get to rule hell, that means i can make it a paradise if i wanted to. So it is a win-win.

And and i prefer chocolate flavour.

Great Kleomentia wrote:Why would you want to be as far away from "God"?

Solarys wrote:

Great Kleomentia wrote:Why would you want to be as far away from "God"?

Why would i want to be near a psychopathic mass murderer ?

Vandelstein wrote:Depends on what you believe in. Nirvana exists for those who believe in it, so does Heaven, Purgatory, Shangrila, Nothing, etc.

Personally, I believe I'll be in another dimension no different than earth, living as someone else. Not reincarnation, but close to it. Either that or I'll be a vampire which will be just as awesome.

Great Kleomentia wrote:

Solarys wrote:
Why would i want to be near a psychopathic mass murderer ?

Because being next to Satan is much better. And in heaven you enjoy the most of what you want. So the sicko cant do nothing.

Microsol wrote:Impossible to know, let alone have certainty.

Conscentia wrote:

Microsol wrote:Impossible to know, let alone have certainty.

Says who?

Death is observable. Death is testable. We have spent centuries studying living things, and human anatomy. It's pretty safe to say we know what happens when they stop being alive. The basics are actually not difficult to understand.

Living systems differ from non-living system in one respect: They maintain their internal entropy by making use of external energy. (Homoeostasis fuelled by consumption.) A living system dies when it is no longer able to maintain it's internal entropy. (Homoeostasis fails.)

Solarys wrote:

Great Kleomentia wrote:Because being next to Satan is much better. And in heaven you enjoy the most of what you want. So the sicko cant do nothing.

I would take lucifer over god anyday. Besides we are talking about ruling in hell, not serving in hell.

Great Kleomentia wrote:

Conscentia wrote:Says who?

Death is observable. Death is testable. We have spent centuries studying living things, and human anatomy. It's pretty safe to say we know what happens when they stop being alive. The basics are actually not difficult to understand.

Living systems differ from non-living system in one respect: They maintain their internal entropy by making use of external energy. (Homoeostasis fuelled by consumption.) A living system dies when it is no longer able to maintain it's internal entropy. (Homoeostasis fails.)

Have you ever died? I thought so.

Conscentia wrote:

Solarys wrote:I would take lucifer over god anyday. Besides we are talking about ruling in hell, not serving in hell.

By "lucifer" I assume you mean Satan.
Sir, read the Book of Job. Satan is a servant of God.

Great Kleomentia wrote:

Conscentia wrote:Says who?
Death is observable. Death is testable. We have spent centuries studying living things, and human anatomy. It's pretty safe to say we know what happens when they stop being alive. The basics are actually not difficult to understand.
Living systems differ from non-living system in one respect: They maintain their internal entropy by making use of external energy. (Homoeostasis fuelled by consumption.) A living system dies when it is no longer able to maintain it's internal entropy. (Homoeostasis fails.)

Have you ever died? I thought so.

Solarys wrote:

Conscentia wrote:By "lucifer" I assume you mean Satan.
Sir, read the Book of Job. Satan is a servant of God.

If we are going by imaginary things, i am going to consider lucifer as the archangel who rebelled. I am not christian and hence not familiar with any version of the bible. So do forgive any fantasy-cal inaccuracy.

Tlaceceyaya wrote:

Great Kleomentia wrote:Have you ever died? I thought so.

Have you explored the entirety of everything? No? Then how dare you not accept Ba'al as your god!