What Happens When we die?

[Blasveck]

When we die our consciousness recedes back into the essence of the design of things.

What does that even mean?

[The Land of Truth]

It is known that when you die, your soul leaves your body. Then the soul enters a place where they can't communicate with God. At this place, demons will show the departed their sinful nature and try to convince them that they are not worthy to go into the Kingdom of Heaven. However, angels, the prayer of the saints, and of your friends and family who are still alive will try to guide you into heaven. For some people it takes them a while to choose between heaven or hell, we sometimes see them as ghosts. Infact we are supposed to choose heaven since hell is only for those who hate God. So no matter where we go, or soul will either experience great torture (hell) or great joy (heaven). Then will come the final resurrection were the souls of the living will join a renewed form of their bodies. Then will come the final judgement when the wicked will be sent to hell and the righteous will be sent to heaven.

That is not "known".

[The Truth and Light]

It is known that when you die, your soul leaves your body. Then the soul enters a place where they can't communicate with God. At this place, demons will show the departed their sinful nature and try to convince them that they are not worthy to go into the Kingdom of Heaven. However, angels, the prayer of the saints, and of your friends and family who are still alive will try to guide you into heaven. For some people it takes them a while to choose between heaven or hell, we sometimes see them as ghosts. Infact we are supposed to choose heaven since hell is only for those who hate God. So no matter where we go, or soul will either experience great torture (hell) or great joy (heaven). Then will come the final resurrection were the souls of the living will join a renewed form of their bodies. Then will come the final judgement when the wicked will be sent to hell and the righteous will be sent to heaven.

That's beautiful, but it's not really known, at least in the modern sense of the word.

[The Land of Truth]

I've read that page several times.

Ah, okay. So you do agree that Jesus existed as a human?

Probably.

[The Truth and Light]

When we die our consciousness recedes back into the essence of the design of things.

Sounds very pandeistic.

[Dragonisia]

1. I told you, i can't
2. That there are original documents. You requested I provide sources on them, I did, at least that's how I interpreted your request in your original 2. bullet.
5. Ah, then you're good. I meet the devil daily. He is very real. He manifests as misplaced anger, aggression, rage, deceit, treachery.. lot of bad things. You run into him to, you just don't recognize it for what it is. To you it all seems independent of each other and in no way related... as intended.

1. Then, it's fiction.
2. I meant document before the Gospels that say something about Jesus.
2. Da fuck? "bullet"?
5. How do you know it's the Devil?

1. Still your opinion. I can accept it as fact with what I know without using scientific validation if I so chose.
2. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... px-P46.jpg
There you go, good luck reading it.
5. Because all Malevolence has its source as the tempter as its originator. Humanity will sin and be malevolent in the presence of temptation absent the restraint of will, and even then it will still fail to some temptations, but all malevolence begins with the Devil who has chosen to be the antithesis of all that is defined as righteous by God and who tests humanity every day of its existence.

[Shaggai]

Why? That passage in Wiki is studded with footnotes. Go search them out.

Was there, as Josephus may have written, a wise man called Jesus who developed a following in the principate of Tiberius? Yes, I do think so. Was he the son of the Hebrew god? Not on your tintype.

I met Josephus a few times in Rome. He reminds me (now) of Dickens' Uriah Heep but without the nastiness. He was always so very eager to please. Probably something to do with having betrayed his compatriots and his cause at Jotapata.

Because, until there's a consensus, it's pretty much they said-they said, which I'm not interested in.

I also don't doubt there was a man whom we may as well call "Jesus".

The fuck?

3. I think Farn is, at the moment, pretending to be several thousand years old.

[Farnhamia]

But it isn't entirely fiction, which is what I think Farn's point was.

If by "entirely fiction", you mean single bit was made up, then of course not. There's no such thing as that.

But the stories themselves are, as far as the evidence is concerned, completely fictional accounts.

Okay, what are we talking about? Old Testament creation myths and the stories of the Exodus? Fiction, sure. Mythology. The deportation of the Jews to Babylonia? True. The return of the exiles to Jerusalem? True. Told from a Jewish point of view but still true. Paul's letters to various congregations in Corinth and Galatia and Philippi and Thessalonika? The best modern scholarship say they're authentic, along with the letter to the Romans and the one to Philemon. The rest are questionable to differing degrees.

[Farnhamia]

Because, until there's a consensus, it's pretty much they said-they said, which I'm not interested in.

I also don't doubt there was a man whom we may as well call "Jesus".

The fuck?

3. I think Farn is, at the moment, pretending to be several thousand years old.

One does so, on occasion, yes. It's fun and since I actually am older than most of you miserable children, not completely inappropriate.

[Blasveck]

1. Then, it's fiction.
2. I meant document before the Gospels that say something about Jesus.
2. Da fuck? "bullet"?
5. How do you know it's the Devil?

1. Still your opinion. I can accept it as fact with what I know without using scientific validation if I so chose.
2. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... px-P46.jpg
There you go, good luck reading it.
5. Because all Malevolence has its source as the tempter as its originator. Humanity will sin and be malevolent in the presence of temptation absent the restraint of will, and even then it will still fail to some temptations, but all malevolence begins with the Devil who has chosen to be the antithesis of all that is defined as righteous by God and who tests humanity every day of its existence.

1. "IM RIGHT BECAUSE I KNOW I AM"

[The Truth and Light]

3. I think Farn is, at the moment, pretending to be several thousand years old.

One does so, on occasion, yes. It's fun and since I actually am older than most of you miserable children, not completely inappropriate.

I think I love you.

[Shaggai]

Ah, okay. So you do agree that Jesus existed as a human?

Probably.

So we agree. Good. I was just a bit confused, since I had been addressing someone who was saying that Jesus hadn't existed.

[Farnhamia]

One does so, on occasion, yes. It's fun and since I actually am older than most of you miserable children, not completely inappropriate.

I think I love you.

Most do. If I still had my temple in lovely, lost Lagash you could come by and leave a small token of your esteem.

[Dragonisia]

1. "IM RIGHT BECAUSE I KNOW I AM"

1. I'm right because there's enough circumstantial evidence to convince me. Science is a far from perfect art in its current state. There are things we cannot measure, cannot perceive, and the assumption that something is not there simply because we cannot see it goes back to the days when Air was "nothing" because we saw through it and we passed through it with ease.

[Mavorpen]

I think I love you.

Most do. If I still had my temple in lovely, lost Lagash you could come by and leave a small token of your esteem.

Does it count if we have orgies in front of it?

[Miopic]

DMT is an hallucinogenic your brain produces as you sleep, it alters your sense of time and can create images you believe are real, in essence is makes you dream. When your brain realizes your going to die it creates as much DMT as possible and tries to make the last second last as long as it can in your min it could last a few seconds or a few centuries depending on how much DMT is produced... After that? nothing, oblivion. Not even pure white or pure black just nothing. don't worry you won't get bored you can't get bored because your brain no longer functions.

[Farnhamia]

1. "IM RIGHT BECAUSE I KNOW I AM"

1. I'm right because there's enough circumstantial evidence to convince me. Science is a far from perfect art in its current state. There are things we cannot measure, cannot perceive, and the assumption that something is not there simply because we cannot see it goes back to the days when Air was "nothing" because we saw through it and we passed through it with ease.

Well, here's the thing. Until evidence of the supernatural comes along, real, verifiable evidence, I'll change my mind. Until then, no is my default position.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Body begins to decompose. Natural process and all.

[Farnhamia]

Most do. If I still had my temple in lovely, lost Lagash you could come by and leave a small token of your esteem.

Does it count if we have orgies in front of it?

As long as you don't mind being locked up by the city police, no, I don't mind. Just keep the noise down.

[Mavorpen]

There are things we cannot measure, cannot perceive, and the assumption that something is not there simply because we cannot see it goes back to the days when Air was "nothing" because we saw through it and we passed through it with ease.

What? When were these days and why is it relevant to science?

[Blasveck]

1. "IM RIGHT BECAUSE I KNOW I AM"

1. I'm right because there's enough circumstantial evidence to convince me. Science is a far from perfect art in its current state. There are things we cannot measure, cannot perceive, and the assumption that something is not there simply because we cannot see it goes back to the days when Air was "nothing" because we saw through it and we passed through it with ease.

1. Please read Knox's OP that has been linked in this thread to show how the "circumstantial evidence" is probably wrong.
2. So you make the assumption that Jesus was divine?
3. Yes, but we knew there was "something". Hell, Democritus, I believe, first hypothesized the atom thousands of years ago.

[Dangelia]

It is known that when you die, your soul leaves your body. Then the soul enters a place where they can't communicate with God. At this place, demons will show the departed their sinful nature and try to convince them that they are not worthy to go into the Kingdom of Heaven. However, angels, the prayer of the saints, and of your friends and family who are still alive will try to guide you into heaven. For some people it takes them a while to choose between heaven or hell, we sometimes see them as ghosts. Infact we are supposed to choose heaven since hell is only for those who hate God. So no matter where we go, or soul will either experience great torture (hell) or great joy (heaven). Then will come the final resurrection were the souls of the living will join a renewed form of their bodies. Then will come the final judgement when the wicked will be sent to hell and the righteous will be sent to heaven.

How do you know that the "soul" exists?

Humans have three parts if you will, body, spirit (mind), and soul.

[Blasveck]

How do you know that the "soul" exists?

Humans have three parts if you will, body, spirit (mind), and soul.

That still didnt answer my question.

What evidence or proof is there for the soul?

[The Truth and Light]

How do you know that the "soul" exists?

Humans have three parts if you will, body, spirit (mind), and soul.

You didn't answer his question.

We understand that you believe the soul exists, but how do you know?

EDIT: Goddamnit.

[Farnhamia]

Body begins to decompose. Natural process and all.

Once upon a time Sir William Gilbert was at a party where the conversation turned to a composer of some note who had recently died. An earnest young person, who had obviously not heard the news, enthused, "What is he doing? Composing, surely!" To which Gilbert said, "No, decomposing."

And I agree, Nanatsu.