What Happens When we die?

[Southeastern Xiatao]

Not to mention, the fact that it's also horribly sourced.

Tell me something I don't know.

Yes Westerners, we bicker about sources and citations too.

Guys just fucking stop making fun of the Muslims, I am Catholic but I do not want to see someone making of fun Muslims on here, come on seriously guys? And since when do virgins and grapes have to do with the afterlife?

[Dragonisia]

He was referring to the people who founded the religions, not you.

I simply don't see that as viable given the culture that the Christian faith originated in. Given Christ literally died founding this faith there was little motive for control if he didn't truly believe in what he was doing. To say that one would die for a religion they created intending to control the population and never be able to execute that control.. is not logical.

[Kaito Corporation]

Tell me something I don't know.

Yes Westerners, we bicker about sources and citations too.

Guys just fucking stop making fun of the Muslims, I am Catholic but I do not want to see someone making of fun Muslims on here, come on seriously guys? And since when do virgins and grapes have to do with the afterlife?

Because rewards?

<not too observant, only becomes more observant when he feels like it>

[Great Franconia and Verana]

No not really. Sounds like a bunch of people wanting to hold power over others, and do it in a manipulative, albeit genius, way. Religion is illogical

Interesting theory, but given I have no desire to hold power over anyone, or to manipulate anyone.. it totally unravels. All I care for really is my own empowerment and the liberation of others and their empowerment, but you may choose to believe what you wish about me and people of faith. Personally. I do not like most religions. In fact I'm of the position the great majority of the global population is probably damned, but I do what I can to enlighten those who might want to know the truth.

I never said that the individual Christians want power over anyone. The original founders did, and they achieved it, by making it impossible to disprove or prove their religion. And because the vast majority of people want a religion because they feel they need it, and because it is so ingrained in so many peoples minds that logic and real facts give way to faith

[The Land of Truth]

He was referring to the people who founded the religions, not you.

I simply don't see that as viable given the culture that the Christian faith originated in. Given Christ literally died founding this faith there was little motive for control if he didn't truly believe in what he was doing. To say that one would die for a religion they created intending to control the population and never be able to execute that control.. is not logical.

Considering Paul did more to found Christianity than Jesus did, he's not a good example.

[Vivern]

I personally believe that we just don't experience anything, like Mr./Mrs. The Truth and Light said.

But, what if the "light at the end of the tunnel" is you being born again? What if people just go in an endless cycle of life, death, and rebirth? Would we remember anything from past lives? Would we have the same appearance and personality? Would we meet people who were our friends, our family, even our husbands or wives from past lives? Would we recognize each other?

[Southeastern Xiatao]

I will not die. I plan to find a way to extend my life forever. I should be in full self ownership of my life. Not even Nature will stop me!

Well luck with that, Mr Immortal, who will always look 21 forever, but will be really 10000000000000 years old, and still look like a 21 years old handsome man. Talk about a long time for puberty and toddlerhood.

[Blasveck]

I personally believe that we just don't experience anything, like Mr./Mrs. The Truth and Light said.

But, what if the "light at the end of the tunnel" is you being born again? What if people just go in an endless cycle of life, death, and rebirth? Would we remember anything from past lives? Would we have the same appearance and personality? Would we meet people who were our friends, our family, even our husbands or wives from past lives? Would we recognize each other?

If an "afterlife" were to exist, I'd want it to be reincarnation.

Kinda like Cloud Atlas.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

He was referring to the people who founded the religions, not you.

I simply don't see that as viable given the culture that the Christian faith originated in. Given Christ literally died founding this faith there was little motive for control if he didn't truly believe in what he was doing. To say that one would die for a religion they created intending to control the population and never be able to execute that control.. is not logical.

And yet we have little proof that Christ even existed. He could be an amalgamation of several people, or didn't exist at all. We don't know and we most likely will never know. Yet due to the scarcity of the reports of Christ actual existence, I really doubt he is real.

[Dragonisia]

Interesting theory, but given I have no desire to hold power over anyone, or to manipulate anyone.. it totally unravels. All I care for really is my own empowerment and the liberation of others and their empowerment, but you may choose to believe what you wish about me and people of faith. Personally. I do not like most religions. In fact I'm of the position the great majority of the global population is probably damned, but I do what I can to enlighten those who might want to know the truth.

I never said that the individual Christians want power over anyone. The original founders did, and they achieved it, by making it impossible to disprove or prove their religion. And because the vast majority of people want a religion because they feel they need it, and because it is so ingrained in so many peoples minds that logic and real facts give way to faith

See my previous post. It just isn't logical when so many of them knew they'd end up dead and not able to actually exert any actual influence. Additionally if one actually reads the letters written by the apostles and the disciples, you can see they were very committed to what they believed and that there were no apparent intended deceptions. These letters which were included in the new testament were private letters and I doubt many of the apostles or disciples were ever aware they'd actually be integrated into a book, since books were exceptionally uncommon around their time. Your thoughts on this matter.. is full of logical holes regarding the nature of the time of origin.. at least when it pertains to Jewish and Christian faiths. Later faiths which came after the more common dissemination and understanding of the written word this would be a more logical theory for.

[Reploid Productions]

I will not die. I plan to find a way to extend my life forever. I should be in full self ownership of my life. Not even Nature will stop me!

Live forever or die trying! Good mindset, I think.

[The Truth and Light]

I personally believe that we just don't experience anything, like Mr./Mrs. The Truth and Light said.

But, what if the "light at the end of the tunnel" is you being born again? What if people just go in an endless cycle of life, death, and rebirth? Would we remember anything from past lives? Would we have the same appearance and personality? Would we meet people who were our friends, our family, even our husbands or wives from past lives? Would we recognize each other?

If you were to be reborn as another person after your death, how would that scientifically happen? What are the odds that you would end up human and not be a tree?

I think the idea of reincarnation stems from a human inability to imagine a lack of consciousness after death. If you were to be born again as a conscious being, then by what we know about consciousness, you could not remember anything about your past lives. All of that information is stored in your previous brain, which would be rotting after death. Basically, there's no way to prove that there is any such thing as reincarnation.

[Vivern]

If we were reincarnated, would we be continuing where we left off, like being born in one life at the same time that we died in another, or would there be a delay between dying and being reborn, like a vacation from life? Or would we be born in a different time altogether, so that we could be born into the role of different historical figures, like an endless stage play with the actors switching roles each act?

Personally, I don't believe in reincarnation, i'm just hypothesizing.

[Blasveck]

I personally believe that we just don't experience anything, like Mr./Mrs. The Truth and Light said.

But, what if the "light at the end of the tunnel" is you being born again? What if people just go in an endless cycle of life, death, and rebirth? Would we remember anything from past lives? Would we have the same appearance and personality? Would we meet people who were our friends, our family, even our husbands or wives from past lives? Would we recognize each other?

If you were to be reborn as another person after your death, how would that scientifically happen? What are the odds that you would end up human and not be a tree?

I think the idea of reincarnation stems from a human inability to imagine a lack of consciousness after death. If you were to be born again as a conscious being, then by what we know about consciousness, you could not remember anything about your past lives. All of that information is stored in your previous brain, which would be rotting after death. Basically, there's no way to prove that there is any such thing as reincarnation.

Hey, we can dream can't we?

Maybe a soul exists, probably not.

[Anachronous Rex]

You have ten seconds to insert another quarter, or else fuck off.

[The Land of Truth]

I never said that the individual Christians want power over anyone. The original founders did, and they achieved it, by making it impossible to disprove or prove their religion. And because the vast majority of people want a religion because they feel they need it, and because it is so ingrained in so many peoples minds that logic and real facts give way to faith

See my previous post. It just isn't logical when so many of them knew they'd end up dead and not able to actually exert any actual influence. Additionally if one actually reads the letters written by the apostles and the disciples, you can see they were very committed to what they believed and that there were no apparent intended deceptions. These letters which were included in the new testament were private letters and I doubt many of the apostles or disciples were ever aware they'd actually be integrated into a book, since books were exceptionally uncommon around their time. Your thoughts on this matter.. is full of logical holes regarding the nature of the time of origin.. at least when it pertains to Jewish and Christian faiths. Later faiths which came after the more common dissemination and understanding of the written word this would be a more logical theory for.

Where's your proof that they actually died (or even lived)?

[Vivern]

What if you were reincarnated into a chicken? You would be a human this life, something else the next. Hell, I might have been a bacteria.

[Trollgaard]

I personally believe that we just don't experience anything, like Mr./Mrs. The Truth and Light said.

But, what if the "light at the end of the tunnel" is you being born again? What if people just go in an endless cycle of life, death, and rebirth? Would we remember anything from past lives? Would we have the same appearance and personality? Would we meet people who were our friends, our family, even our husbands or wives from past lives? Would we recognize each other?

Well, there are past life hypnotists/expert type people around. I'd be interested and going to one to see what all the fuss is about.

As to the OP...Nobody really knows.

[Trollgaard]

What if you were reincarnated into a chicken?

Ha! I'd be the loudest damn rooster that ever walked the earth!

[Dragonisia]

See my previous post. It just isn't logical when so many of them knew they'd end up dead and not able to actually exert any actual influence. Additionally if one actually reads the letters written by the apostles and the disciples, you can see they were very committed to what they believed and that there were no apparent intended deceptions. These letters which were included in the new testament were private letters and I doubt many of the apostles or disciples were ever aware they'd actually be integrated into a book, since books were exceptionally uncommon around their time. Your thoughts on this matter.. is full of logical holes regarding the nature of the time of origin.. at least when it pertains to Jewish and Christian faiths. Later faiths which came after the more common dissemination and understanding of the written word this would be a more logical theory for.

Where's your proof that they actually died (or even lived)?

If you're saying they did not, then what is your explanation for the near global manifestation of Christian and Jewish faiths. Who originated this world wide-religion? If it had to originate after the era of writing, what is your explanation for it being adopted over other faiths based on written works?

[Great Franconia and Verana]

I never said that the individual Christians want power over anyone. The original founders did, and they achieved it, by making it impossible to disprove or prove their religion. And because the vast majority of people want a religion because they feel they need it, and because it is so ingrained in so many peoples minds that logic and real facts give way to faith

See my previous post. It just isn't logical when so many of them knew they'd end up dead and not able to actually exert any actual influence. Additionally if one actually reads the letters written by the apostles and the disciples, you can see they were very committed to what they believed and that there were no apparent intended deceptions. These letters which were included in the new testament were private letters and I doubt many of the apostles or disciples were ever aware they'd actually be integrated into a book, since books were exceptionally uncommon around their time. Your thoughts on this matter.. is full of logical holes regarding the nature of the time of origin.. at least when it pertains to Jewish and Christian faiths. Later faiths which came after the more common dissemination and understanding of the written word this would be a more logical theory for.

I have logical holes? The entire Christian religion is one big logical hole. The bible is notorious for its fabrications, and I take any evidence based off of it with one massive grain of salt. The bible is a book written many years after the death of "Christ".It is possible that the "Apostles" were truly devoted to a Christian faith, but it is assured that in the end, religion is a tool of the powerful to cow a superstitious populace, it has happened throughout history. Nothing unites people like faith, which by definition is belief without factual basis.

[Blasveck]

Where's your proof that they actually died (or even lived)?

If you're saying they did not, then what is your explanation for the near global manifestation of Christian and Jewish faiths. Who originated this world wide-religion?

Because people like to believe shit.
Whether or not it's true is up for debate.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

Where's your proof that they actually died (or even lived)?

If you're saying they did not, then what is your explanation for the near global manifestation of Christian and Jewish faiths. Who originated this world wide-religion?

A group of people who believed in the Christian "God" who branched out., Im not saying it was a big world domination conspiracy theory, but in the end, every religion is about control. There is no factual evidence that any of the Christian mythos really happened.

[Warda]

What if you were reincarnated into a chicken?

Ha! I'd be the loudest damn rooster that ever walked the earth!

Walk like a man

[Vivern]

If you're saying they did not, then what is your explanation for the near global manifestation of Christian and Jewish faiths. Who originated this world wide-religion?

Because people like to believe shit.
Whether or not it's true is up for debate.

For example, I could probably get someone to believe that the fuzzy slippers I am wearing are sentient, and that they allow me to levitate when nobody else is around. Can they prove it? No. Will they believe it? If they are gullible enough. Just like P.T. Barnum said, there's a sucker born every minute.