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Dragonisia
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Postby Dragonisia » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:09 pm

The Land of Truth wrote:
Dragonisia wrote:You're welcome to your thoughts. I've already made up my mind on what I believe on the matter.

Without any evidence whatsoever. Lovely.


I have a bit of paradox in my case. The lack of evidence, other than the accounts of the Bible centered around Christ, tend to prove my faith to me more than discount it. In order for there not to be a moral policeman present, affecting the nature by which we behave, evidence of God would have to be completely lacking. For if there was even the vaguest hint of Deity that could be scientifically proven, it'd destroy the whole model.
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Postby Kaito Corporation » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:09 pm

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Kaito Corporation wrote:Lovely.

*jumps away*

And thus the Caliphate was overthrown.

Which came the Seljuk Turks and Ottomans and wait for it.

Mongols.
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Nationalist State of Knox
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:09 pm

The Land of Truth wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:I look forward to enjoying my "full-breasted companions".

"Full-breasted" sixteen-year old girls? Where do I sign up?

I have a description that isn't exactly PG 13, but I can TG you it if you like.
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Ifreann wrote:Knox: /ˈɡɪl.ɡə.mɛʃ/
Impeach Enlil, legalise dreaming, mortality is theft. GILGAMESH 2474 BC

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The Land of Truth
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Postby The Land of Truth » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:09 pm

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
The Land of Truth wrote:"Full-breasted" sixteen-year old girls? Where do I sign up?

I have a description that isn't exactly PG 13, but I can TG you it if you like.

I'm intrigued...please do.
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Postby The Land of Truth » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:10 pm

Dragonisia wrote:
The Land of Truth wrote:Without any evidence whatsoever. Lovely.


I have a bit of paradox in my case. The lack of evidence, other than the accounts of the Bible centered around Christ, tend to prove my faith to me more than discount it. In order for there not to be a moral policeman present, affecting the nature by which we behave, evidence of God would have to be completely lacking. For if there was even the vaguest hint of Deity that could be scientifically proven, it'd destroy the whole model.

So, you believe in God because there's little-to-no evidence for his existence? :blink:
RP: We are the Principality of New Vasconia! (Occupied by the Kingdom of Austiana.)
Personal: I am a 17-year old theological noncognitivist and atheist from the southern United States. I am a social democrat and democratic socialist.
98% of all Internet users would cry if Facebook broke down. If you are part of that 2% who simply would sit back and laugh, copy and paste this into your sig. Don't tell me what to do!
Ec: -8.62; Soc: -5.44

Your argument is invalid.

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Postby Kaito Corporation » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:10 pm

The Land of Truth wrote:
Kaito Corporation wrote:Oh so just because I am a Muslim I am not open to scientific truth and have no right to use the [citation needed]

How dare you

I didn't mean it like that. I was just shocked to find a Muslim that doesn't take the Quran literally. I'm just so used to Creationists that I guess I just forgot people like you existed.

That is more evil than Knox D:

Anywhoosles, the extent I take the Qur'an is as literally as how I would if I lived during the Golden Age of Islam. In other words, I don't do it for the present day.
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Postby The Imperium Reich » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:11 pm

I'm surprised I got no response for my views, thought I'd be yelled at by some Christian. xD
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Short Name: Die Imperium Reich (The Absolute Empire)
Government Type: Authoritarian National Socialist Dictatorship
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First Leader: 'Father Führer' Antony Engel
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Dragonisia
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Postby Dragonisia » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:12 pm

The Land of Truth wrote:
Dragonisia wrote:
I have a bit of paradox in my case. The lack of evidence, other than the accounts of the Bible centered around Christ, tend to prove my faith to me more than discount it. In order for there not to be a moral policeman present, affecting the nature by which we behave, evidence of God would have to be completely lacking. For if there was even the vaguest hint of Deity that could be scientifically proven, it'd destroy the whole model.

So, you believe in God because there's little-to-no evidence for his existence? :blink:


There is a reason that Faith in Christianity, is called the evidence of things hoped for, of things not seen. It is because there is no evidence other than circumstantial. Even the bible acknowledges it. You can find God, but you won't do it scientifically.You never will. It's not intended. It is by design.

Hebrews 11:1.

Mind blown eh?
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Full Country Name: Dragonisia (PT), Dragonisia (MT), The Dragonisian Collective of Individual Personas(FT)
Demonym: Dragonisian
Rulers: Emperor Maelstrom Vortex, Empress Koudoawaia Vortex
Capital: Dragonisia
Government Type: Absolute Imperial with a representative democratic legislature. (PT/MT) Collective of DIstinct Minds (FT)
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=dragonisia/detail=factbook
Tech: Willing to play at any tech range and fiction class.
Foreign Policy: Unrestricted Diplomacy
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Nationalist State of Knox
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:14 pm

Kaito Corporation wrote:That is more evil than Knox D:

Strictly speaking, that isn't possible.
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Call me Knox.
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Ifreann wrote:Knox: /ˈɡɪl.ɡə.mɛʃ/
Impeach Enlil, legalise dreaming, mortality is theft. GILGAMESH 2474 BC

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:15 pm

Dragonisia wrote:
The Land of Truth wrote:So, you believe in God because there's little-to-no evidence for his existence? :blink:


There is a reason that Faith in Christianity, is called the evidence of things hoped for, of things not seen. It is because there is no evidence other than circumstantial. Even the bible acknowledges it. You can find God, but you won't do it scientifically.You never will. It's not intended. It is by design.

Hebrews 11:1.

Mind blown eh?

You've converted me.
Last edited by Gilgamesh on Mon Aru 17, 2467 BC 10:56am, edited 1 time in total.
Call me Knox.
Biblical Authorship
God is Malevolent.
Bible Inaccuracies
Ifreann wrote:Knox: /ˈɡɪl.ɡə.mɛʃ/
Impeach Enlil, legalise dreaming, mortality is theft. GILGAMESH 2474 BC

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Great Franconia and Verana
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Postby Great Franconia and Verana » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:17 pm

Kleomentia wrote:
Great Franconia and Verana wrote:Simply non-existence, like how it was before you were born. You just are not there.

Seems a little inadequate for the great big, divine, eternal world we exist in.

The Universe does not need to conform to the very human idea of adequacy. It is what it is.
The Universe is not divine, in my opinion, nor eternal.

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The Land of Truth
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Postby The Land of Truth » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:19 pm

Dragonisia wrote:
The Land of Truth wrote:So, you believe in God because there's little-to-no evidence for his existence? :blink:


There is a reason that Faith in Christianity, is called the evidence of things hoped for, of things not seen. It is because there is no evidence other than circumstantial. Even the bible acknowledges it. You can find God, but you won't do it scientifically.You never will. It's not intended. It is by design.

Hebrews 11:1.

Mind blown eh?

The sheer irrationality truly is mind-blowing.
RP: We are the Principality of New Vasconia! (Occupied by the Kingdom of Austiana.)
Personal: I am a 17-year old theological noncognitivist and atheist from the southern United States. I am a social democrat and democratic socialist.
98% of all Internet users would cry if Facebook broke down. If you are part of that 2% who simply would sit back and laugh, copy and paste this into your sig. Don't tell me what to do!
Ec: -8.62; Soc: -5.44

Your argument is invalid.

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Postby Great Franconia and Verana » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:20 pm

Dragonisia wrote:
The Land of Truth wrote:So, you believe in God because there's little-to-no evidence for his existence? :blink:


There is a reason that Faith in Christianity, is called the evidence of things hoped for, of things not seen. It is because there is no evidence other than circumstantial. Even the bible acknowledges it. You can find God, but you won't do it scientifically.You never will. It's not intended. It is by design.

Hebrews 11:1.

Mind blown eh?


No not really. Sounds like a bunch of people wanting to hold power over others, and do it in a manipulative, albeit genius, way. Religion is illogical
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:23 pm

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
The Land of Truth wrote:"Full-breasted" sixteen-year old girls? Where do I sign up?

I have a description that isn't exactly PG 13, but I can TG you it if you like.


Can you do the same for me?

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Postby The Grey Wolf » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:24 pm

The Imperium Reich wrote:I'm surprised I got no response for my views, thought I'd be yelled at by some Christian. xD


On here, it's mostly the Christians getting yelled at by the atheist.

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Postby The Imperium Reich » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:24 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:I have a description that isn't exactly PG 13, but I can TG you it if you like.


Can you do the same for me?


I'd like one too.
Die Imperium Reich
Full Name: Die Vereinten Volk Nationalsozialistischen Reich des Imperiums (The United National Socialist Nation of the Imperium (Absolute) Reich (Empire)
Short Name: Die Imperium Reich (The Absolute Empire)
Government Type: Authoritarian National Socialist Dictatorship
Current Leader: Führer Erdmann von Kaiser
First Leader: 'Father Führer' Antony Engel
Major Language(s): German
Race: Imperium German
Major Culture: Germanic
Capital: Kalte Höhe
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Dragonisia
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Postby Dragonisia » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:25 pm

Great Franconia and Verana wrote:
Dragonisia wrote:
There is a reason that Faith in Christianity, is called the evidence of things hoped for, of things not seen. It is because there is no evidence other than circumstantial. Even the bible acknowledges it. You can find God, but you won't do it scientifically.You never will. It's not intended. It is by design.

Hebrews 11:1.

Mind blown eh?


No not really. Sounds like a bunch of people wanting to hold power over others, and do it in a manipulative, albeit genius, way. Religion is illogical


Interesting theory, but given I have no desire to hold power over anyone, or to manipulate anyone.. it totally unravels. All I care for really is my own empowerment and the liberation of others and their empowerment, but you may choose to believe what you wish about me and people of faith. Personally. I do not like most religions. In fact I'm of the opinion the great majority of the global population is probably damned, but I do what I can to enlighten those who might want to know the truth. I just home my God's love is greater than my own.
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Personal Motto: L'État, c'est moi
Full Country Name: Dragonisia (PT), Dragonisia (MT), The Dragonisian Collective of Individual Personas(FT)
Demonym: Dragonisian
Rulers: Emperor Maelstrom Vortex, Empress Koudoawaia Vortex
Capital: Dragonisia
Government Type: Absolute Imperial with a representative democratic legislature. (PT/MT) Collective of DIstinct Minds (FT)
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=dragonisia/detail=factbook
Tech: Willing to play at any tech range and fiction class.
Foreign Policy: Unrestricted Diplomacy
Economic Left/Right: -4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.64
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Postby Cubestan » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:26 pm

We go to a land of fluffy kittens! :lol:
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One must be poor to know the luxury of giving.
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Its easier to ask for forgiveness than permission
-Some guy in the US army

I have seen men die from treading on water and fire, but I have never seen a man die from treading the course of virtue.
-Confucius

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Postby The Truth and Light » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:27 pm

I have no idea what a person experiences after death. It seems to me the most likely thing, and the one that fits Occam's Razor, is that we return to a pre-life state. That is, not experiencing anything.

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:27 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:I have a description that isn't exactly PG 13, but I can TG you it if you like.


Can you do the same for me?

The Imperium Reich wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
Can you do the same for me?


I'd like one too.

はい。
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Call me Knox.
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Ifreann wrote:Knox: /ˈɡɪl.ɡə.mɛʃ/
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Postby The Land of Truth » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:29 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:I have a description that isn't exactly PG 13, but I can TG you it if you like.


Can you do the same for me?

It was...interesting.
RP: We are the Principality of New Vasconia! (Occupied by the Kingdom of Austiana.)
Personal: I am a 17-year old theological noncognitivist and atheist from the southern United States. I am a social democrat and democratic socialist.
98% of all Internet users would cry if Facebook broke down. If you are part of that 2% who simply would sit back and laugh, copy and paste this into your sig. Don't tell me what to do!
Ec: -8.62; Soc: -5.44

Your argument is invalid.

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Postby Cubestan » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:30 pm

Cubestan wrote:We go to a land of fluffy kittens! :lol:

Isn't it a good idea?
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Some really good quotes:
One must be poor to know the luxury of giving.
-George Eliot

Its easier to ask for forgiveness than permission
-Some guy in the US army

I have seen men die from treading on water and fire, but I have never seen a man die from treading the course of virtue.
-Confucius

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Postby The Truth and Light » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:30 pm

I'll bite. Knox, please send me this whatever thingie?

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The Land of Truth
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Postby The Land of Truth » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:30 pm

Dragonisia wrote:
Great Franconia and Verana wrote:
No not really. Sounds like a bunch of people wanting to hold power over others, and do it in a manipulative, albeit genius, way. Religion is illogical


Interesting theory, but given I have no desire to hold power over anyone, or to manipulate anyone.. it totally unravels. All I care for really is my own empowerment and the liberation of others and their empowerment, but you may choose to believe what you wish about me and people of faith. Personally. I do not like most religions. In fact I'm of the opinion the great majority of the global population is probably damned, but I do what I can to enlighten those who might want to know the truth. I just home my God's love is greater than my own.

He was referring to the people who founded the religions, not you.
RP: We are the Principality of New Vasconia! (Occupied by the Kingdom of Austiana.)
Personal: I am a 17-year old theological noncognitivist and atheist from the southern United States. I am a social democrat and democratic socialist.
98% of all Internet users would cry if Facebook broke down. If you are part of that 2% who simply would sit back and laugh, copy and paste this into your sig. Don't tell me what to do!
Ec: -8.62; Soc: -5.44

Your argument is invalid.

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Postby Minarchist States » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:31 pm

I will not die. I plan to find a way to extend my life forever. I should be in full self ownership of my life. Not even Nature will stop me!
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