What Happens When we die?

[Great Kleomentia]

Have you ever died? I thought so.

The moon might be made of cheese. We can't know.
Oh, you disagree?
Have you ever been to the moon? I thought so.

Well we dont know.
But one thing is for sure, you cant know what happens when you die. You can guess, but you cant know until you actually drop dead.

[Solarys]

If we are going by imaginary things, i am going to consider lucifer as the archangel who rebelled. I am not christian and hence not familiar with any version of the bible. So do forgive any fantasy-cal inaccuracy.

I am not a Christian. I have the sense to look things up.

And does it really matter when arguing about imaginary things ? like how can the invisible pink unicorn be invisible and pink.

[The USOT]

Says who?

Death is observable. Death is testable. We have spent centuries studying living things, and human anatomy. It's pretty safe to say we know what happens when they stop being alive. The basics are actually not difficult to understand.

Living systems differ from non-living system in one respect: They maintain their internal entropy by making use of external energy. (Homoeostasis fuelled by consumption.) A living system dies when it is no longer able to maintain it's internal entropy. (Homoeostasis fails.)

Have you ever died? I thought so.

I cant genuinly beleive you actually think along those lines.

We dont base everything off of our own personal experience. To do so would be stupid.
I for instance have never driven a car, frankly its something I am terrified of and am (without having gone through lessons) terrified of it. This does not mean it makes any sense for me to recognise that people drive cars.

In the same way, whilst none of us here have died (fortunatly, or this conversation would be difficult) we have observed death extensivly. We understand a great deal about what shuts off, at what rate, at what time the brain stops sending signals etc.
We also understand that conciousness is tied to the brain. As an experiential and thinking entity, these states can be altered by effecting the brain in entirely physical matters.
In the same way we know an engine ceases to function when it explodes, we are also at a point where we can indeed say that everything worth calling "you" ceases to exist utterly at the moment of brain death.

[Conscentia]

The moon might be made of cheese. We can't know.
Oh, you disagree?
Have you ever been to the moon? I thought so.

Well we dont know.
But one thing is for sure, you cant know what happens when you die. You can guess, but you cant know until you actually drop dead.

Really?! You think the moon might be made of cheese?!

I can understand death without dying, because death is an observable occurrence which can be studied and examined. And it's not like there is a shortage of death to study.

[Conscentia]

I am not a Christian. I have the sense to look things up.

And does it really matter when arguing about imaginary things ? like how can the invisible pink unicorn be invisible and pink.

It's important to understand one's opponent, and to understand the source of their position, in a debate.

[Solarys]

And does it really matter when arguing about imaginary things ? like how can the invisible pink unicorn be invisible and pink.

It's important to understand one's opponent in a debate.

Fair enough. Although wasn't there the rebellious archangel lucifer version in there somewhere though ?

[Conscentia]

It's important to understand one's opponent in a debate.

Fair enough. Although wasn't there the rebellious archangel lucifer version in there somewhere though ?

There is in mainstream Christianity, based upon a misinterpretation of a verse in Isaiah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer

[Solarys]

Fair enough. Although wasn't there the rebellious archangel lucifer version in there somewhere though ?

There is in mainstream Christianity, based upon a misinterpretation of a verse in Isaiah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer

Ah, i see.

[The Samuelopalian Empire]

Me.

So you are admitting you made it up?

What's wrong with that? My beliefs. I'm allowed to make it up its what probably happens.

[Vicswampia]

We go to Equestria.

[Liriena]

Hopefully we reincarnate. We probably just...you know...dreamlessly sleep forever, though.

[Bottle]

Says who?

Death is observable. Death is testable. We have spent centuries studying living things, and human anatomy. It's pretty safe to say we know what happens when they stop being alive. The basics are actually not difficult to understand.

Living systems differ from non-living system in one respect: They maintain their internal entropy by making use of external energy. (Homoeostasis fuelled by consumption.) A living system dies when it is no longer able to maintain it's internal entropy. (Homoeostasis fails.)

Have you ever died? I thought so.

I've never had cancer, therefore there's no such thing as chemo?

I love this logic.

[The Rich Port]

Have you ever died? I thought so.

I've never had cancer, therefore there's no such thing as chemo?

I love this logic.

You have never died, therefore you don't know what AIDS feels like and saving people from AIDS is pointless.

[Frisivisia]

I've never had cancer, therefore there's no such thing as chemo?

I love this logic.

You have never died, therefore you don't know what AIDS feels like and saving people from AIDS is pointless.

Let it sort itself out. It's a good teacher of abstinence anyway.

[Bottle]

I've never had cancer, therefore there's no such thing as chemo?

I love this logic.

You have never died, therefore you don't know what AIDS feels like and saving people from AIDS is pointless.

It's just so gloriously Dark Ages, this notion that the only way of knowing is to personally experience something. Just like that, poof, all of empirical research is gone.

Have you ever physically touched this live wire? Then you can't know it carries a charge!

Have you ever personally been to Madagascar? Then you cannot accept that it exists!

Have you ever personally had leprosy? Then you cannot know anything at all about leprosy, so don't even try to treat it!

[Frisivisia]

You have never died, therefore you don't know what AIDS feels like and saving people from AIDS is pointless.

It's just so gloriously Dark Ages, this notion that the only way of knowing is to personally experience something. Just like that, poof, all of empirical research is gone.

Have you ever physically touched this live wire? Then you can't know it carries a charge!

Have you ever personally been to Madagascar? Then you cannot accept that it exists!

Have you ever personally had leprosy? Then you cannot know anything at all about leprosy, so don't even try to treat it!

I'm pretty sure that Madagascar is a lie made up by the UN.

[The Rich Port]

We go to Equestria.

Uh... Made that joke already. Now I feel bad. T^T

You have never died, therefore you don't know what AIDS feels like and saving people from AIDS is pointless.

It's just so gloriously Dark Ages, this notion that the only way of knowing is to personally experience something. Just like that, poof, all of empirical research is gone.

Have you ever physically touched this live wire? Then you can't know it carries a charge!

Have you ever personally been to Madagascar? Then you cannot accept that it exists!

Have you ever personally had leprosy? Then you cannot know anything at all about leprosy, so don't even try to treat it!

The only way babies learn not to touch hot stoves is by burning themselves on the hot stove.

Stop stopping babies from touching hot stoves.

[The Black Forrest]

I've never had cancer, therefore there's no such thing as chemo?

I love this logic.

You have never died, therefore you don't know what AIDS feels like and saving people from AIDS is pointless.

[The Black Forrest]

We go to Equestria.

Uh... Made that joke already. Now I feel bad. T^T

It's just so gloriously Dark Ages, this notion that the only way of knowing is to personally experience something. Just like that, poof, all of empirical research is gone.

Have you ever physically touched this live wire? Then you can't know it carries a charge!

Have you ever personally been to Madagascar? Then you cannot accept that it exists!

Have you ever personally had leprosy? Then you cannot know anything at all about leprosy, so don't even try to treat it!

The only way babies learn not to touch hot stoves is by burning themselves on the hot stove.

Stop stopping babies from touching hot stoves.

[Ausira]

What happens when we die?
We die. I think that's medically diagnosed, as well.
When a person dies, they are deceased.

[American Pride]

you go to heaven, Hell or purgatory simple and dont debate me on this for i believe this and no atheist will change my opinion Good day now

[Bottle]

you go to heaven, Hell or purgatory simple and dont debate me on this for i believe this and no atheist will change my opinion Good day now

And another of these "bear my testimony" religious posters.

It really baffles me, the level of arrogance needed to make such posts. I mean, it's one thing to assume that people on a debate forum might want to debate things with you...that seems fair and reasonable, even if your ideas are kinda shitty.

But to assume that other people just want to hear your beliefs, for no reason, with you openly stating that you're not interested in discussion and making it plain that you won't contribute anything useful?

I really wish I knew what catastrophic parenting mistake leads to this sort of behavior.

[Shaggai]

Vanilla ice cream is terrible, imo. Besides, if you rule in hell, why would bad things happen to you? You rule there, you can make people not do them.

Vanilla ice cream is fine. The idea is, Hell by its very nature is the most terrible place in the universe. It's a place where you are denied, utterly denied, the presence and grace of "God." And the worst of it is, you know it. You know that you could be somewhere else but instead you are in Hell. Sure, you might be a ruler there but what are you ruling?

I was kind of imagining generic fire and brimstone hell, with demons torturing you for all eternity. In which case, as ruler, I could make them stop.

Anyway, what happens when you die? Your consciousness returns to the darkness from whence it came.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

you go to heaven, Hell or purgatory simple and dont debate me on this for i believe this and no atheist will change my opinion Good day now

u wot m8

[American Pride]

you go to heaven, Hell or purgatory simple and dont debate me on this for i believe this and no atheist will change my opinion Good day now

And another of these "bear my testimony" religious posters.

It really baffles me, the level of arrogance needed to make such posts. I mean, it's one thing to assume that people on a debate forum might want to debate things with you...that seems fair and reasonable, even if your ideas are kinda shitty.

But to assume that other people just want to hear your beliefs, for no reason, with you openly stating that you're not interested in discussion and making it plain that you won't contribute anything useful?

I really wish I knew what catastrophic parenting mistake leads to this sort of behavior.

Ah, My childhood was just fine my friend, I never went to church as a child and my parents did not practice religion but as i grew older and started my own family i began to still think of god as the eternal ruler (But i still do not go to church neither does my Girlfriend soon to be wife)

And Why are my ideas shitty? Maybe i dont feel like debating with a bunch of Left-wing Atheists? (Which makes up the the majority of this site) And i did Contribute i said what was on my mind. And it was relevant towards the topic