Well we dont know.
But one thing is for sure, you cant know what happens when you die. You can guess, but you cant know until you actually drop dead.
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by Great Kleomentia » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:35 am
by Solarys » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:35 am
Conscentia wrote:Solarys wrote:If we are going by imaginary things, i am going to consider lucifer as the archangel who rebelled. I am not christian and hence not familiar with any version of the bible. So do forgive any fantasy-cal inaccuracy.
I am not a Christian. I have the sense to look things up.
by The USOT » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:38 am
Great Kleomentia wrote:Conscentia wrote:Says who?
Death is observable. Death is testable. We have spent centuries studying living things, and human anatomy. It's pretty safe to say we know what happens when they stop being alive. The basics are actually not difficult to understand.
Living systems differ from non-living system in one respect: They maintain their internal entropy by making use of external energy. (Homoeostasis fuelled by consumption.) A living system dies when it is no longer able to maintain it's internal entropy. (Homoeostasis fails.)
Have you ever died? I thought so.
by Conscentia » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:42 am
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by Solarys » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:55 am
Conscentia wrote:Solarys wrote:Fair enough. Although wasn't there the rebellious archangel lucifer version in there somewhere though ?
There is in mainstream Christianity, based upon a misinterpretation of a verse in Isaiah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer
by The Samuelopalian Empire » Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:24 pm
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by Bottle » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:19 pm
Great Kleomentia wrote:Conscentia wrote:Says who?
Death is observable. Death is testable. We have spent centuries studying living things, and human anatomy. It's pretty safe to say we know what happens when they stop being alive. The basics are actually not difficult to understand.
Living systems differ from non-living system in one respect: They maintain their internal entropy by making use of external energy. (Homoeostasis fuelled by consumption.) A living system dies when it is no longer able to maintain it's internal entropy. (Homoeostasis fails.)
Have you ever died? I thought so.
by The Rich Port » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:28 pm
by Frisivisia » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:31 pm
by Bottle » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:32 pm
by Frisivisia » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:32 pm
Bottle wrote:The Rich Port wrote:
You have never died, therefore you don't know what AIDS feels like and saving people from AIDS is pointless.
It's just so gloriously Dark Ages, this notion that the only way of knowing is to personally experience something. Just like that, poof, all of empirical research is gone.
Have you ever physically touched this live wire? Then you can't know it carries a charge!
Have you ever personally been to Madagascar? Then you cannot accept that it exists!
Have you ever personally had leprosy? Then you cannot know anything at all about leprosy, so don't even try to treat it!
by The Rich Port » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:33 pm
Vicswampia wrote:We go to Equestria.
Bottle wrote:The Rich Port wrote:
You have never died, therefore you don't know what AIDS feels like and saving people from AIDS is pointless.
It's just so gloriously Dark Ages, this notion that the only way of knowing is to personally experience something. Just like that, poof, all of empirical research is gone.
Have you ever physically touched this live wire? Then you can't know it carries a charge!
Have you ever personally been to Madagascar? Then you cannot accept that it exists!
Have you ever personally had leprosy? Then you cannot know anything at all about leprosy, so don't even try to treat it!
by The Black Forrest » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:33 pm
by The Black Forrest » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:34 pm
The Rich Port wrote:Vicswampia wrote:We go to Equestria.
Uh... Made that joke already. Now I feel bad. T^TBottle wrote:It's just so gloriously Dark Ages, this notion that the only way of knowing is to personally experience something. Just like that, poof, all of empirical research is gone.
Have you ever physically touched this live wire? Then you can't know it carries a charge!
Have you ever personally been to Madagascar? Then you cannot accept that it exists!
Have you ever personally had leprosy? Then you cannot know anything at all about leprosy, so don't even try to treat it!
The only way babies learn not to touch hot stoves is by burning themselves on the hot stove.
Stop stopping babies from touching hot stoves.
by Ausira » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:37 pm
by American Pride » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:37 pm
by Bottle » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:39 pm
American Pride wrote:you go to heaven, Hell or purgatory simple and dont debate me on this for i believe this and no atheist will change my opinion Good day now
by Shaggai » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:40 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Shaggai wrote:Vanilla ice cream is terrible, imo. Besides, if you rule in hell, why would bad things happen to you? You rule there, you can make people not do them.
Vanilla ice cream is fine. The idea is, Hell by its very nature is the most terrible place in the universe. It's a place where you are denied, utterly denied, the presence and grace of "God." And the worst of it is, you know it. You know that you could be somewhere else but instead you are in Hell. Sure, you might be a ruler there but what are you ruling?
by Nationalist State of Knox » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:43 pm
American Pride wrote:you go to heaven, Hell or purgatory simple and dont debate me on this for i believe this and no atheist will change my opinion Good day now
Ifreann wrote:Knox: /ˈɡɪl.ɡə.mɛʃ/
by American Pride » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:44 pm
Bottle wrote:American Pride wrote:you go to heaven, Hell or purgatory simple and dont debate me on this for i believe this and no atheist will change my opinion Good day now
And another of these "bear my testimony" religious posters.
It really baffles me, the level of arrogance needed to make such posts. I mean, it's one thing to assume that people on a debate forum might want to debate things with you...that seems fair and reasonable, even if your ideas are kinda shitty.
But to assume that other people just want to hear your beliefs, for no reason, with you openly stating that you're not interested in discussion and making it plain that you won't contribute anything useful?
I really wish I knew what catastrophic parenting mistake leads to this sort of behavior.
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