The DHS's "Constitution Free" Zones

[Mike the Progressive]

You said you prefer a system where the strong dominate the weak. You said you define strength as wealth. Where is the problem here?

I prefer for individuals to dominate instead of corporations. Business should be under the government, not the other way around.

Well many individuals dominate those businesses. In fact their personality is why that business is the way it is. So in a way, individuals are dominating, they just happen to be titans of industry as well.

[Blasveck]

They put their lives on the line for a bullshit cause.

War isn't just hell, it's complete and utter bullshit.

Does it matter what the cause? They still had the balls to deal with the bullshit and come home afterwards.

They shouldn't fucking have to.

Nobody should have to fucking die for bullshit.

[Agritum]

Individuals are behind corporations.

Individuals whose biggest concern is corporate profit, not national good.

*pats*

Welcome to leftism, Hath.

[The Parkus Empire]

Individuals are behind corporations.

Individuals whose biggest concern is corporate profit, not national good.

Well when you prefer a system where national good equals the rich dominating the weak....

[Hathradic States]

You mean fought and died for literally nothing. And not only fought and died for nothing, but killed other human beings for nothing. Vietnam was a total waste, everybody on both sides died for literally nothing. None of them are heroes, none of them deserve praise. They deserve pity for being the enslaved draftees that had to go in there and get shot at for no reason.

They were enslaved and forced to commit murder, that is pitiful, not heroic or admirable.

First: find the nearest Marine, and go up and shout to him about how he is nothing but a murdering slave. I would love to see the results.

Regardless, they went, and they fought. It does not matter the reason or the cause, they were there. They put up with hell, and some of them came home. Whether you agree with the wars or not, you respect the soldiers fighting them.

[Agritum]

Individuals whose biggest concern is corporate profit, not national good.

Well when you prefer a system where national good equals the rich dominating the weak....

That's kinds the basis of Ancap thought.

[Mike the Progressive]

Individuals are behind corporations.

Individuals whose biggest concern is corporate profit, not national good.

Let me tell you something. Nobody cares about the national good, except maybe some teachers. Everybody else is doing it for their ego, for their own power, even if they lie to themselves. National good. What a load of crap.

Want to help the national good? Pay taxes and teach underprivileged inner city kids.

[Hathradic States]

Individuals whose biggest concern is corporate profit, not national good.

Well when you prefer a system where national good equals the rich dominating the weak....

I prefer the smart dominating the fools.

Believe me, my ideal society would take more than a few words to describe.

[Blasveck]

You mean fought and died for literally nothing. And not only fought and died for nothing, but killed other human beings for nothing. Vietnam was a total waste, everybody on both sides died for literally nothing. None of them are heroes, none of them deserve praise. They deserve pity for being the enslaved draftees that had to go in there and get shot at for no reason.

They were enslaved and forced to commit murder, that is pitiful, not heroic or admirable.

First: find the nearest Marine, and go up and shout to him about how he is nothing but a murdering slave. I would love to see the results.

Regardless, they went, and they fought. It does not matter the reason or the cause, they were there. They put up with hell, and some of them came home. Whether you agree with the wars or not, you respect the soldiers fighting them.

It's not the soldiers who I don't have respect for.

It's the system and the people who forced them to fucking go there and kill people.
Nobody should have to die over a patch of dirt.

[Hathradic States]

Individuals whose biggest concern is corporate profit, not national good.

Let me tell you something. Nobody cares about the national good, except maybe some teachers. Everybody else is doing it for their ego, for their own power, even if they lie to themselves. National good. What a load of crap.

Want to help the national good? Pay taxes and teach underprivileged inner city kids.

There are a few who do. But, those who do are rarely, if ever, in power.

[Threlizdun]

Well, at least I'm out of that zone but still. Holy fuck. I'm honestly really afraid of my government right now.

[Tenebriso]

First: find the nearest Marine, and go up and shout to him about how he is nothing but a murdering slave. I would love to see the results.

Regardless, they went, and they fought. It does not matter the reason or the cause, they were there. They put up with hell, and some of them came home. Whether you agree with the wars or not, you respect the soldiers fighting them.

It's not the soldiers who I don't have respect for.

It's the system and the people who forced them to fucking go there and kill people.
Nobody should have to die over a patch of dirt.

This is how I feel 110% as a soldier.

[Blasveck]

Let me tell you something. Nobody cares about the national good, except maybe some teachers. Everybody else is doing it for their ego, for their own power, even if they lie to themselves. National good. What a load of crap.

Want to help the national good? Pay taxes and teach underprivileged inner city kids.

There are a few who do. But, those who do are rarely, if ever, in power.

And that's a good thing.

Who gives a shit about "National Good"?
It doesn't benefit me or anybody else in any way.

[Agritum]

Well, at least I'm out of that zone but still. Holy fuck. I'm honestly really afraid of my government right now.

I wouldn't be actually much afraid.

Unless I was an immigrant or a minority member.

[Hathradic States]

First: find the nearest Marine, and go up and shout to him about how he is nothing but a murdering slave. I would love to see the results.

Regardless, they went, and they fought. It does not matter the reason or the cause, they were there. They put up with hell, and some of them came home. Whether you agree with the wars or not, you respect the soldiers fighting them.

It's not the soldiers who I don't have respect for.

It's the system and the people who forced them to fucking go there and kill people.
Nobody should have to die over a patch of dirt.

Again, it is inevitable. No matter what your system of government is, you will eventually have to fight a war.

[Bendira]

First: find the nearest Marine, and go up and shout to him about how he is nothing but a murdering slave. I would love to see the results.

I am a small guy, the marine would probably punch me out.

He would punch me out because he probably doesn't actually believe in the very same 1st Amendment rights he supposedly fought for in the war. So this is when his true colors would be revealed, that he is a jingoist asshole who joined to kill brown people out of pure hatred, or because he was broke and didn't have the moral fiber to find a real fucking job.

Regardless, they went, and they fought. It does not matter the reason or the cause, they were there. They put up with hell, and some of them came home. Whether you agree with the wars or not, you respect the soldiers fighting them.

I don't respect people blindly, I wouldn't go kiss some Waffen-SS boots because they were really heroic in battle.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Yeah, I'm inside the CFZ. It was actually a pretty major issue in local/state politics the last time around. Nothing's been done since then of course, but it got raised.

It's fucked as...fuck. It's so fucked I do not have a proper expression to convey the fuckedness of it. It's just...fucked.

[Blasveck]

It's not the soldiers who I don't have respect for.

It's the system and the people who forced them to fucking go there and kill people.
Nobody should have to die over a patch of dirt.

Again, it is inevitable. No matter what your system of government is, you will eventually have to fight a war.

Not if there's a government small enough so as to not need wars at all.

Hence, Libertarian.

[Agritum]

There are a few who do. But, those who do are rarely, if ever, in power.

And that's a good thing.

Who gives a shit about "National Good"?
It doesn't benefit me or anybody else in any way.

Given that Mike gave the example of paying taxes, I can think that he was referring to the use of taxpayer money to fund welfare programs and public infrastructure.

Isn't that National Good?

[Mike the Progressive]

Let me tell you something. Nobody cares about the national good, except maybe some teachers. Everybody else is doing it for their ego, for their own power, even if they lie to themselves. National good. What a load of crap.

Want to help the national good? Pay taxes and teach underprivileged inner city kids.

There are a few who do. But, those who do are rarely, if ever, in power.

Politics is for megalomaniacs. Let's be honest here. You have a class of people who think they alone are the ones who can lead society in the right direction. That without them, change can't come. There is no hope. The narcissism is unbearable, it borders on the psychotic.

Like I said, if you are concerned about the national good. Teach kids. Otherwise, cut out the national good BS. People who strive for political power are narcissistic-meglomaniacs, who have made themselves believe they are on some divine mission to make the world a better place. And only through them can this be achieved. They care for themselves. Their legacy, their prestige, their power.

They are no different than the so called "titans of industry" you decry so much for running this country. Except the so called titans are at least being honest with themselves. Not trying to masks their wants with some good-feeling, public service BS.

[Tenebriso]

First: find the nearest Marine, and go up and shout to him about how he is nothing but a murdering slave. I would love to see the results.

I am a small guy, the marine would probably punch me out.

He would punch me out because he probably doesn't actually believe in the very same 1st Amendment rights he supposedly fought for in the war. So this is when his true colors would be revealed, that he is a jingoist asshole who joined to kill brown people out of pure hatred, or because he was broke and didn't have the moral fiber to find a real fucking job.

Regardless, they went, and they fought. It does not matter the reason or the cause, they were there. They put up with hell, and some of them came home. Whether you agree with the wars or not, you respect the soldiers fighting them.

I don't respect people blindly, I wouldn't go kiss some Waffen-SS boots because they were really heroic in battle.

Exactly. A prerequisite for respect is honorable actions.

[Blasveck]

And that's a good thing.

Who gives a shit about "National Good"?
It doesn't benefit me or anybody else in any way.

Given that Mike gave the example of paying taxes, I can think that he was referring to the use of taxpayer money to fund welfare programs and public infrastructure.

Isn't that National Good?

Mike also said that National Good doesnt matter, Right? Or was that someone else who said it? (Not me I mean)

[Olthar]

Welp, I guess if I suddenly stop posting on this site, you'll know that I was probably arrested by Homeland Security for some nonsense because I'm one of those 197 million people.

[Agritum]

Given that Mike gave the example of paying taxes, I can think that he was referring to the use of taxpayer money to fund welfare programs and public infrastructure.

Isn't that National Good?

Mike also said that National Good doesnt matter, Right? Or was that someone else who said it? (Not me I mean)

Nope. He said that it doesn't matter TO some people.

[Bendira]

Welp, I guess if I suddenly stop posting on this site, you'll know that I was probably arrested by Homeland Security for some nonsense because I'm one of those 197 million people.

Don't worry, i'll come bust you out