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Postby Geilinor » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:38 am

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Geilinor wrote:There comes a time when you need to forget history and move on. Hippo seems to be stuck in the Russian Empire and Stalin era. Does he still hate the Swedes too?

No, because Sweden didn't threaten his precious America.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:38 am

Thisbia wrote:Wouldn't it be easier to just eliminate the color system, which is unscientific and manipulative? Then we won't have articles like this, and pre-programmed people who have to get in their 'box.'


Unless color itself is eliminated, people will notice it, and we will grapple with systemic racial issues as a result, regardless of whether or not we have official labeling systems. The systems that we have to track race are useful, as they provide benchmarks along the road to equality.

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Postby Thisbia » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:39 am

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Thisbia wrote:Wouldn't it be easier to just eliminate the color system, which is unscientific and manipulative? Then we won't have articles like this, and pre-programmed people who have to get in their 'box.'


Unless color itself is eliminated, people will notice it, and we will grapple with systemic racial issues as a result, regardless of whether or not we have official labeling systems. The systems that we have to track race are useful, as they provide benchmarks along the road to equality.

But they don't! They stereotype and promote false preconceptions.
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Postby Gallup » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:41 am

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:42 am

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Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Unless color itself is eliminated, people will notice it, and we will grapple with systemic racial issues as a result, regardless of whether or not we have official labeling systems. The systems that we have to track race are useful, as they provide benchmarks along the road to equality.

But they don't! They stereotype and promote false preconceptions.


We've noticed that black students tend to do less well in school, and tend to be subjected to greater discipline. This was tracked through the systems we're describing.

What we also managed to discover by keeping track of such things was that there are sound reasons for this that can be directly addressed with an eye towards solving the problem.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:44 am

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Postby Thisbia » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:45 am

@Yumyumsuppertime

That's only because we've been brainwashed. Blacks think they have to behave because it is in their nature. Same reason us girls are bad at math. It's really just a psychological block. Or to put it Eminem's way: I am whatever you say I am.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:46 am

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Yumyumsuppertime wrote:You know, Hippo, none of this vile bullshit would have bothered me if I hadn't skimmed the thread and found people willing to take this at face value. That sort of intentional spreading of falsehoods has historically been enormously damaging to race relations in America. For someone who claims to love America so much, you sure don't seem to have any problem exploiting divisions for your own ends.


I always wondered how he claims to love America, yet he will claim that the Axis should have won the war - hence, he thinks America should've been defeated - in other posts.

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Postby Ertae » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:47 am

Nevanmaa wrote:Obama is at it again!

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More at: http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-a ... k-students

So, what do you think? Is this yet another attempt by Obama and liberals to create a magical society where everyone are equal and cotton candy rains down from the sky, or a desperate attempt to cover up reality and facts?

I see it as nothing more than desperate attempt by the liberals attempting to create a some kind of alternative reality where everyone are equal and there are no conflicts whatsoever. It doesn't matter if such fantasy cannot be achieved, as long as it's out of sight, it's out of mind. The funniest, and also the saddest thing is that the bill doesn't even attempt to take measures to influence the behavior of African-American students in a better direction: it just covers up their misdeeds.

This is just sad. Obama is actually being the biggest racist of all, thinking that African-Americans need some kind of special protection like this.


I see nothing in the text of the order which would cause the effects this article is ranting about. Next.
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Postby Shaggai » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:47 am

Gulf Empire wrote:This means Obama must be a racist then. Everyone thinks that racism is discriminating against African Americans but racism can also be African Americans discriminating against Caucasian people. In fact, saying all white people hate blacks or saying that all white people are racist is actually a racist statement because you are steroetyping people.
In my opinion, here's a good way to look at race. STEREOTYPING or applying a certain belief to one group of people is a VERY bad idea. Each person is a little bit different and not all blacks are victims of racism just like not all white people are cruel to African Americans. Each race has good and bad people. People just like to talk about the BAD whites and GOOD blacks but no one talks about GOOD whites and BAD blacks. Answer to this question is simple, don't stereotype.
As to Obama, who knows what, maybe next he will say Black people are exempt from arrest and punishment. So a black guy can just kill a white man or rape a white women and not face charges. This is a very bad path Obama is heading down. I knew when he was first elected in 2008 that he was going to make a mess out of everything he did. He promises HOPE but only gives hope to some while takes it away from others.

Translation: I haven't read the thread.

Seriously, this isn't even very long. You didn't even read the page you posted on. Come on, at least read the first two pages in the thread.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:49 am

Thisbia wrote:@Yumyumsuppertime

That's only because we've been brainwashed. Blacks think they have to behave because it is in their nature. Same reason us girls are bad at math. It's really just a psychological block. Or to put it Eminem's way: I am whatever you say I am.


It's also because mostly black schools tend to be more poorly funded, the discipline shown to black students tends to be greater than that shown to white students for similar offenses, their equipment tends to be more outdated, their teachers less experienced, the range of extracurricular activities in urban schools tends to be either limited or nonexistent, and their textbooks are immensely more likely to be years out of date. Or didn't you read the article that I so thoughtfully linked?

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:51 am

Thisbia wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Unless color itself is eliminated, people will notice it, and we will grapple with systemic racial issues as a result, regardless of whether or not we have official labeling systems. The systems that we have to track race are useful, as they provide benchmarks along the road to equality.

But they don't! They stereotype and promote false preconceptions.

You're trying to skip ahead to the end of the book in a convoluted effort to pat yourself on the back. You can't just magic away 400 years of policy based on race by your own brand new understanding of genetics. We know, we all know, we all took freshman biology.

You're making the mistake of assuming that it's the people trying to fix the problem that are creating the problem of race in America...as if the people who can see there's a problem just stubbornly ignored there was one would make it go away. That 400 years of policy based on race would just magically go away if well intended people pretended it didn't exist because of biology. That if we keep saying 'race doesn't exist' as our only effort, racists will suddenly disappear.

You're not proposing a fix. You're not forwarding a solution. You have not suggested an applicable plan of action. This is why I submit that you are just patting yourself on the back for knowing something that everyone knows.
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Postby Nevanmaa » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:51 am

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Geilinor wrote:Finnish Jews weren't subject to mass genocide and persecution like in the rest of Europe.


What I'm referring to is that Hippo explictly said that the Finnish Jews, upon a Nazi victory (in which Finland would apparently be free and independent), would not be sent to the Third Reich. Hitler would have apparently no problem with Jews right in his midst after getting rid of the rest. My post merely illustrates my position back then when I (and others) debated it with him, that the Germans would have simply forced the Finns to hand over their Jews.

Finnish Jews would be subject to all that genocide and persecution soon enough after a Nazi victory. Finland would become just another Nazi Manchukuo in general.

Except that Mannerheim said directly to Hitler that Finland has no "jewish problem" and that he'd never give any Finnish Jews to Germany. There was no reason to believe that Hitler would've betrayed a reliable, fairly pro-German ally and waste millions of men to invade it over a few hundred Jews.

But of course, you refuse to believe this because "EBUL NAZIS". Germany had no plans to interfere with Finland, which was a sovereign nation. Hell, they even allowed relatively free elections in occupied Denmark.
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Postby Fulflood » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:52 am

Nevanmaa wrote:Obama is at it again!

On July 26th Obama signed an executive order titled the "African American Education Initiative." The order essentially gives a green light for black students to misbehave in public schools. In two places, Obama's executive order calls on schools to reduce the number disciplinary actions taken against blacks students. The order specifically calls on schools too "not rely on methods that result in disparate use of disciplinary tools."

So the one official quote in the source states that all the order does is to stop disparate (synonym: different) treatment of blacks and whites. Also, they spelt 'to' wrong, which is a pretty impressive feat for someone whose job it is to write well.
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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:52 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f wrote:
Yeah...but this is typical Hippo trollus operandi...and of course we give Hippo plenty of scope for rebuttal but...well that usually does not happen. And when it does Hippo tends to get ripped to shreds...then leaves for a bit and then makes a new utterly revolting, ill-researched and self masturbatory thread that is easily refuted by a mentally deranged possum with a Paris Hilton fixation, a fist full of Viagra and a bottle of pesticide laced cheap Russian vodka.


Oh, yes, I'm well aware of the pattern by now. As I stated, I wouldn't even bother responding if it weren't for the fact that people unfamiliar with his M.O. will sometimes take this nonsense at face value.


That people do take it at face value is actually quite scary. Then one realises that for the most part...if not all...they are not adults.
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Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f wrote:mentally deranged possum with a Paris Hilton fixation, a fist full of Viagra and a bottle of pesticide laced cheap Russian vodka.


Now that's a thread I want to be involved in......


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Postby Geilinor » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:53 am

Nevanmaa wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:
What I'm referring to is that Hippo explictly said that the Finnish Jews, upon a Nazi victory (in which Finland would apparently be free and independent), would not be sent to the Third Reich. Hitler would have apparently no problem with Jews right in his midst after getting rid of the rest. My post merely illustrates my position back then when I (and others) debated it with him, that the Germans would have simply forced the Finns to hand over their Jews.

Finnish Jews would be subject to all that genocide and persecution soon enough after a Nazi victory. Finland would become just another Nazi Manchukuo in general.

Except that Mannerheim said directly to Hitler that Finland has no "jewish problem" and that he'd never give any Finnish Jews to Germany. There was no reason to believe that Hitler would've betrayed a reliable, fairly pro-German ally and waste millions of men to invade it over a few hundred Jews.

But of course, you refuse to believe this because "EBUL NAZIS". Germany had no plans to interfere with Finland, which was a sovereign nation. Hell, they even allowed relatively free elections in occupied Denmark.

Would the Nazis have been so friendly to you if they had won the war?
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Thisbia wrote:But they don't! They stereotype and promote false preconceptions.

You're trying to skip ahead to the end of the book in a convoluted effort to pat yourself on the back. You can't just magic away 400 years of policy based on race by your own brand new understanding of genetics. We know, we all know, we all took freshman biology.

You're making the mistake of assuming that it's the people trying to fix the problem that are creating the problem of race in America...as if the people who can see there's a problem just stubbornly ignored there was one would make it go away. That 400 years of policy based on race would just magically go away if well intended people pretended it didn't exist because of biology. That if we keep saying 'race doesn't exist' as our only effort, racists will suddenly disappear.

You're not proposing a fix. You're not forwarding a solution. You have not suggested an applicable plan of action. This is why I submit that you are just patting yourself on the back for knowing something that everyone knows.


I didn't think of that. I see your point. I guess it's not that easy. I wish we had an applicable plan in front of us. :/
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Now that's a thread I want to be involved in......


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Postby Nevanmaa » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:58 am

Geilinor wrote:
Nevanmaa wrote:Except that Mannerheim said directly to Hitler that Finland has no "jewish problem" and that he'd never give any Finnish Jews to Germany. There was no reason to believe that Hitler would've betrayed a reliable, fairly pro-German ally and waste millions of men to invade it over a few hundred Jews.

But of course, you refuse to believe this because "EBUL NAZIS". Germany had no plans to interfere with Finland, which was a sovereign nation. Hell, they even allowed relatively free elections in occupied Denmark.

Would the Nazis have been so friendly if they had won the war?

I don't see why they would'nt have been. Finland had helped Germany in the invasion and both Hitler and Goebbels had given Finns the status of honorary Aryans. There was a fairly pro-German sentiment in Finland as well. Finland and Germany have always have fairly close relations, after all Germany had trained Jaegers in the First World War so Finland could become independent, then saved Finland by defeating the reds in the Civil War.

The notion that Germany would invade a reliable ally over a few hundred jews is pure madness.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:59 am

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Geilinor wrote:Would the Nazis have been so friendly if they had won the war?

I don't see why they would'nt have been. Finland had helped Germany in the invasion and both Hitler and Goebbels had given Finns the status of honorary Aryans. There was a fairly pro-German sentiment in Finland as well. Finland and Germany have always have fairly close relations, after all Germany had trained Jaegers in the First World War so Finland could become independent, then saved Finland by defeating the reds in the Civil War.

The notion that Germany would invade a reliable ally over a few hundred jews is pure madness.

They made the idiotic mistake of invading and fighting Russia.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:59 am

I can't tell whether or not the best part of this is hippo lying or all the white tears.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:59 am

Nevanmaa wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Would the Nazis have been so friendly if they had won the war?

I don't see why they would'nt have been. Finland had helped Germany in the invasion and both Hitler and Goebbels had given Finns the status of honorary Aryans. There was a fairly pro-German sentiment in Finland as well. Finland and Germany have always have fairly close relations, after all Germany had trained Jaegers in the First World War so Finland could become independent, then saved Finland by defeating the reds in the Civil War.

The notion that Germany would invade a reliable ally over a few hundred jews is pure madness.


You planning on addressing any of the criticisms of your OP or are you just going to while away the hours on a threadjack?

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Postby Graknopia » Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:01 pm

Nice try OP, nice try.

Anyway, to get rid of racism, why not paint every newborn blue for 200 years? After that, babies will be born blue!
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