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An Independent Native American State?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:15 pm
by Shirah Mataniya
I came across an interesting page on Wikipedia earlier today called "Republic of Lakotah" after reading about the American Indian Movement (AIM).
Basically the Republic of Lakotah is a proposed homeland in North America for the Lakota.
The Lakota native Americans, the tribe where Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse are from, have withdrawn from the 150 year old treaties between them and the United States.

I personally think the Americans should allow the Native Americans the right to reassert their sovereignty over the reservations they currently reside on and sacred tribal sites, after all the United States has promised the Native Americans the right of self determination in 1918.
The U.S. Government as the representatives of a leading respected Democratic nation should allow the Native Americans this right.
In fact they should feel obliged to do so, considering the past the colonists and the natives shared.
In accordance with the Indian Removal Act of 1830, the U.S. Government promised the peoples of the five tribes (Cherokee, Muscogee (Creek), Seminole, Chickasaw, and Choctaw) that they would never be bothered by them ever again as long they moved from their beloved homelands and moved to the west of the Mississippi, this arduous journey that killed an abundance of natives became known as trail of tears.
Of course, the colonists did not stand by their hollow promise and they continued to push ever westwards and steal lands off the natives until there was very little land left. Time and time again the American Government found an excuse and plausible way to steal more and more land, even as recently as the 1940's and onwards when the Board of Indian Affair's started the Indian Relocation Program when they transferred Native Americans living in rural and remote areas to big cities such as San Francisco and New York. Wilma Mankiller and her Cherokee family were living evidence of this scandal, before they were relocated to San Francisco in 1956, they lived in their ancestral home known to them as "Mankiller Flats" which was situated in the Adair County of Oklahoma.

A group of Native Americans called the Lakota Freedom Delegation traveled to Washington, D.C., on 17 December 2007 and delivered a statement asserting the independence of the Lakota from the United States. The group argues that the recent declaration of independence is not a secession from the USA, but rather a reassertion of sovereignty. Their leader was Russell Means, one of the prominent members of the American Indian Movement in the late 1960s and 1970's.

Its boundaries would be surrounded by the borders of the United States, covering thousands of square miles in North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming, and Montana. The proposed borders are those of the 1851 Treaty of Fort Laramie between the United States government and the Lakota.
A group of Native Americans called the Lakota Freedom Delegation traveled to Washington, D.C., on 17 December 2007 and delivered a statement asserting the independence of the Lakota from the United States. The group argues that the recent declaration of independence is not a secession from the USA, but rather a reassertion of sovereignty. Their leader was Russell Means, one of the prominent members of the American Indian Movement in the late 1960's
and 1970's.


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Proposed location of the Republic of Lakotah


Gary Garrison of the BIA said that the group's withdrawal "doesn't mean anything." "These are not legitimate tribal governments elected by the people ... when they begin the process of violating other people's rights, breaking the law, they're going to end up like all the other groups that have declared themselves independent — usually getting arrested and being put in jail."

Source = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Lakotah


So this leads me to the question, do you think Native American tribes should be given the right to declare their reservations independent?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:18 pm
by Stern des Meeres
If the majority of people within a tribe want to become independent, then I see no problem in it. What would it hurt?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:20 pm
by New haven america
As long as I can enter and leave when I want, I'd be fine with them getting their own state or country. :)

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:21 pm
by Greater Corea
I am completely for this proposal. As you point out America is Democratic and the if the majority are for, the tribes should be allowed independence. Technically the Whole of America is their land and it'd feel right giving some of it back to the previous owners...

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:21 pm
by Hydronium
I think that an Independent Native American state inside the USA would end up being like Palestine and Israel.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:23 pm
by The Parkus Empire
Not a big fan of racial nationalism.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:23 pm
by Regnum Dominae
More autonomy should be allowed for tribes that are capable of self-sufficiency, but not independence.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:24 pm
by Segland
Hydronium wrote:I think that an Independent Native American state inside the USA would end up being like Palestine and Israel.


Except that we don't already hate the Native Americans.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:24 pm
by Totalise
sooooo what your saying is that the conqueror should give the conqured their land back. am i reading you correctly?
it is almost laughable to think in such a way.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:24 pm
by Warda
I'd be ok with this is if it was like 10 miles or something, but no, LETS REDRAW THE ENTIRE MAP OF THE US FUR DUH LULZ!!! :lol2:

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:25 pm
by New haven america
Segland wrote:
Hydronium wrote:I think that an Independent Native American state inside the USA would end up being like Palestine and Israel.


Except that we don't already hate the Native Americans.

I love the natives, my Great-Grandma was one.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:26 pm
by Arcturus Novus
Regnum Dominae wrote:More autonomy should be allowed for tribes that are capable of self-sufficiency, but not independence.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:26 pm
by Shirah Mataniya
The Parkus Empire wrote:Not a big fan of racial nationalism.


But do you agree that the United States should allow the Natives the right to declare independence?
Basically what we call the United States of America today is a nation that was built on lies, violence, greed and hollow promises to name just a few.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:26 pm
by Petrovsegratsk
Their own country? Yeah, that's probably never going to happen. Now their own State within the US on the other hand might be possible.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:26 pm
by Mike the Progressive
Should we also have a country for all those of African and Asian descent?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:27 pm
by The Parkus Empire
Shirah Mataniya wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Not a big fan of racial nationalism.


But do you agree that the United States should allow the Natives the right to declare independence?
Basically what we call the United States of America today is a nation that was built on lies, violence, greed and hollow promises to name just a few.

No. Not unless they want to base citizenship on criteria besides race.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:27 pm
by Cill Airne
I'm not the biggest fan of racial nationalism. While things have been shitty for native Americans in the past, I am pretty sure everything is ok today and I really don't see a reason why they should need a separate state outside of the USA.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:27 pm
by Mike the Progressive
Shirah Mataniya wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Not a big fan of racial nationalism.


But do you agree that the United States should allow the Natives the right to declare independence?
Basically what we call the United States of America today is a nation that was built on lies, violence, greed and hollow promises to name just a few.


But here's the thing -get over it.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:27 pm
by Maurepas
You'd of course have to convince the non-native-american members of that community to leave too. And there would need to be a majority vote to leave, imo.

With that said, I don't think one could get those things these days. They definitely should've been untrifled with by the US, and our government is definitely at fault for taking those lands. But I think it's too late now to make amends, or for them to be independent.


By now, too many Americans who have done nothing to those people would have their citizenship and/or land taken from them in the same fashion, and in the same fashion unfairly done, so no, I can't say I'm in support of it.

It's kind of like how, say, the Falklands probably shouldn't have been taken from South American Natives, but at this point, the people living there are definitively British and it is unfair for Argentina to try and do the same to them.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:28 pm
by Stovokor
The Parkus Empire wrote:Not a big fan of racial nationalism.


Agreed, that and it wont happen.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:28 pm
by The Parkus Empire
Mike the Progressive wrote:Should we also have a country for all those of African and Asian descent?

We do, it's called downtown

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:29 pm
by Shirah Mataniya
Totalise wrote:sooooo what your saying is that the conqueror should give the conqured their land back. am i reading you correctly?
it is almost laughable to think in such a way.

You do realize that the vast majority of nations in Africa were granted independence from the nations that conquered them in the 1960's?

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:30 pm
by Maurepas
Shirah Mataniya wrote:
Totalise wrote:sooooo what your saying is that the conqueror should give the conqured their land back. am i reading you correctly?
it is almost laughable to think in such a way.

You do realize that the vast majority of nations in Africa were granted independence from the nations that conquered them in the 1960's?

The difference is, those lands were still majority in the hands of Africans. The Dakotas, not so much. Americans immigrated there in large numbers, unlike Europeans in Africa.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:30 pm
by Genivaria
Let them have their own State. A state OF the United States.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:31 pm
by Hydronium
New haven america wrote:
Segland wrote:
Except that we don't already hate the Native Americans.

I love the natives, my Great-Grandma was one.

I'm 1/26 Native American. But I just don't want the local KKK deciding they wanted to do a crusade or something like that.