Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:09 amNo, but a huge number of it's people are on government assistance, that counts as Big government.
No, but a huge number of it's people are on government assistance, that counts as Big government.
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Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:09 amNo, but a huge number of it's people are on government assistance, that counts as Big government.
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:10 amNobody ever advocates libertarianism or feudalism because they love being serfs.
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:10 amOh, come now. The Federal government is enormous, and the States come to the Fed to get their bread like so many duckies.
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:10 amKelmet wrote:No, but a huge number of it's people are on government assistance, that counts as Big government.
Huge according to who?
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:10 amPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:11 amPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:11 amAgain, that's nice and easy to say, and it feels right in my gut, but when it gets into my mind, I can't help but ask what the fuck it means.
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:11 amPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:12 amKelmet wrote:Divair wrote:Huge according to who?
http://www.naturalnews.com/038660_gover ... lfare.html
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Let's not, eh?
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:12 amThat might be because the States are for most intents of purposes just another part of the U.S. government, and require funding to continue operation.
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:12 amKelmet wrote:Divair wrote:Huge according to who?
http://www.naturalnews.com/038660_gover ... lfare.html
when almost a 1/3 of your population depends on the government for assistance, your doing it wrong
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:12 amKelmet wrote:
when almost a 1/3 of your population depends on the government for assistance, your doing it wrong
How so?
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:12 amGauthier wrote:Because there's apparently mandatory naivete that comes with the idea that people should be free to do whatever the hell they want but that on their own completely if they're not well endowed. It's just begging to turn into feudalism all over again.
Not exactly. Under feudalism, the top had real responsibilities to those on the rungs below and were expected to carry those out. Not really the case here.
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:13 amLiberated Freedomstan wrote:Mkuki wrote:Not really. Government subsidies to business run rampant within the US political system. Not to mention that the United States isn't all that tolerant of others. Some parts of her, anyway.
Is Libertarianism against subsidies, then? I was under the impression that an ideology in support of a more powerful private sector would be all for it.
In theory libertarians should be. Any government involvement in the economy is, generally, frowned upon. Then again, libertarianism is a petty expansive political ideology. Some libertarians, like Regnum Dominae, don't mind some government-provided services. Others, notably an-caps, are opposed to any government involvement in the economy. That includes both regulations and business subsidies.
I'll make it clear that when I talk of libertarianism I talk of the laissez-faire branch. The branch that idolizes Adam Smith.
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:13 amKelmet wrote:
when almost a 1/3 of your population depends on the government for assistance, your doing it wrong
That's not a viable source, but nice grammar and completely nonsensical statement there.
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:14 amKelmet wrote:
when almost a 1/3 of your population depends on the government for assistance, your doing it wrong
When a third of the population depends on the government, the government is obviously doing it's job correctly and is providing for it's people.
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:14 amPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:14 amI don't have anything to compare it to. It's gargantuan without compare. At least it is not as corpulent and blobular as the old Soviet regime.
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:15 amKhalite wrote:I don't have anything to compare it to. It's gargantuan without compare. At least it is not as corpulent and blobular as the old Soviet regime.
So you're saying you're spouting a potent mixture of bullshit and hot air out of the ass from which you're speaking.
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:15 amKhalite wrote:I don't have anything to compare it to. It's gargantuan without compare. At least it is not as corpulent and blobular as the old Soviet regime.
The Mighty Comlibrunazi Yuropian Union would beg to differ.
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:16 amI blame the economy, how come when the economy's nice and dandy no one talks about the debt or a lot of the problems governments have but as soon as the economy dips everyone freaks out?
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:17 amWhat I'm saying is that the nation that wiretaps, reads private Emails, and subtly invades privacy wherever it can is big enough. Pretty big.
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:17 amKelmet wrote:Frisivisia wrote:That's not a viable source, but nice grammar and completely nonsensical statement there.
I blame the economy, how come when the economy's nice and dandy no one talks about the debt or a lot of the problems governments have but as soon as the economy dips everyone freaks out?
Because when the economy is fine and dandy, the government seems to be doing it right.
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:17 amKelmet wrote:Frisivisia wrote:That's not a viable source, but nice grammar and completely nonsensical statement there.
I blame the economy, how come when the economy's nice and dandy no one talks about the debt or a lot of the problems governments have but as soon as the economy dips everyone freaks out?
The focus in politics is squarely on the economy when the economy tanks. People also start tightening their belts and thus mistakenly believe that the government should too. This is the opposite of what needs to happen.
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:18 am