Why would libertarianism not work?

[Cetacea]

It would work.

And because of the low taxes libertarians like people would have more to spend. And if people spend more it will create more demand which will create jobs.

So Libertarianism could also benefit the poor.

Except people need money to spend and the poor dont have that. The rich can buy only so many cars or apples before demand plateaus and more cash simply becomes more cash. Whereas giving money to the poor will cause actual demand to rise leading to job creation.

Better still is devolving centralised authority to localised cooperative efforts with communally owned resources providing according to a families contributive efforts

[Llamalandia]

It would work.

And because of the low taxes libertarians like people would have more to spend. And if people spend more it will create more demand which will create jobs.

So Libertarianism could also benefit the poor.

Except people need money to spend and the poor dont have that. The rich can buy only so many cars or apples before demand plateaus and more cash simply becomes more cash. Whereas giving money to the poor will cause actual demand to rise leading to job creation.

Better still is devolving centralised authority to localised cooperative efforts with communally owned resources providing according to a families contrive efforts

You'd be surprised how creative rich people can be in spending money. I mean they would still buy mega yachts and jets and what not and somebody has to build those fancy toys for them. :)

[Cameroi]

pretty simple really; greed has no more of a conscience then does power.

and by conscience, i don't mean just being all nicey nice, but the foresight not to create conditions that destroy itself.

[European Socialist Republic]

Except people need money to spend and the poor dont have that. The rich can buy only so many cars or apples before demand plateaus and more cash simply becomes more cash. Whereas giving money to the poor will cause actual demand to rise leading to job creation.

Better still is devolving centralised authority to localised cooperative efforts with communally owned resources providing according to a families contrive efforts

You'd be surprised how creative rich people can be in spending money. I mean they would still buy mega yachts and jets and what not and somebody has to build those fancy toys for them. :)

I don't want the entire nation to consist of only yacht- and jet-producers.

[Lerodan Chinamerica]

Moderate libertarianism is great, the insanity spewed by the LP and ancaps is not.

Strongly, strongly agree. But it would be refreshing to have the LP in some greater position of power anyhow. Their more extreme ideas like taxing heroin would get cast down by the other parties while their more popular ideals of restricting government could gain traction.

[Arcturus Novus]

One man's utopia is another's dystopia. Rich people might see Socialism as a dystopia and Libertarianism as a utopia.

So 1984's Oceania was actually a utopia because the approximately 20 people in the Upper Party had a pretty swell life?

Well, duh.

[Divair]

Why would I spend my time telling you why Libertarianism would not work? Why can't you do it yourself? You really expect me to GIVE you my opinions without being paid for them, you Bolshevik?

"Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Finish this poem yourself,
You dependent parasite."
-Ayn Rand's first love poem.

I laughed harder than I should have.

[Llamalandia]

You'd be surprised how creative rich people can be in spending money. I mean they would still buy mega yachts and jets and what not and somebody has to build those fancy toys for them. :)

I don't want the entire nation to consist of only yacht- and jet-producers.

Well its not like those people wouldn't want to spend their money on things as well. They would want to buy all kinds of things with the money they got building yachts and jets and that would in turn create more jobs for other people. Also whats wrong with yacht and jet producers yachts and jets are awesome.

[Enadail]

I don't want the entire nation to consist of only yacht- and jet-producers.

Well its not like those people wouldn't want to spend their money on things as well. They would want to buy all kinds of things with the money they got building yachts and jets and that would in turn create more jobs for other people. Also whats wrong with yacht and jet producers yachts and jets are awesome.

Yes, but if there are no laws protecting laborers, they money they'd have would be enough to survive and just that.

[Napkiraly]

Except people need money to spend and the poor dont have that. The rich can buy only so many cars or apples before demand plateaus and more cash simply becomes more cash. Whereas giving money to the poor will cause actual demand to rise leading to job creation.

Better still is devolving centralised authority to localised cooperative efforts with communally owned resources providing according to a families contrive efforts

You'd be surprised how creative rich people can be in spending money. I mean they would still buy mega yachts and jets and what not and somebody has to build those fancy toys for them. :)

Those things don't create mass employment. A good solid middle class with plenty of small and medium businesses is what is best. Hayek, Friedman, et all recognized that.

[Selothey]

Aside from my previous post I must ask... what does constitute as "minimal government intervention"?
Just providing basic safety ie. Police?

So that when any big company decides to pay its workers as much as 50c per hour and they "revolt" and "protest" the police is there to defend the company?

[Distruzio]

Aside from my previous post I must ask... what does constitute as "minimal government intervention"?
Just providing basic safety ie. Police?

So that when any big company decides to pay its workers as much as 50c per hour and they "revolt" and "protest" the police is there to defend the company?

Minimal government intervention would be as close to a Nightwatchman State as possible. The only legitimate function is the protection of individuals from assault, theft, breach of contract, and fraud, and the only legitimate governmental institutions are the military, police, and courts. In the broadest sense, it also includes various civil service and emergency-rescue departments (such as the fire departments), prisons, the executive, the judiciary, and the legislatures as legitimate government functions.

Assuming your thought experiment, the police would be present to defend both the property of the company from rioters and the rioters from scabs.

[Selothey]

Yeah, okay... I still don't like working for 50cents an hour

[Frisivisia]

Aside from my previous post I must ask... what does constitute as "minimal government intervention"?
Just providing basic safety ie. Police?

So that when any big company decides to pay its workers as much as 50c per hour and they "revolt" and "protest" the police is there to defend the company?

Minimal government intervention would be as close to a Nightwatchman State as possible. The only legitimate function is the protection of individuals from assault, theft, breach of contract, and fraud, and the only legitimate governmental institutions are the military, police, and courts. In the broadest sense, it also includes various civil service and emergency-rescue departments (such as the fire departments), prisons, the executive, the judiciary, and the legislatures as legitimate government functions.

Assuming your thought experiment, the police would be present to defend both the property of the company from rioters and the rioters from scabs.

So it's more like "Fuck poor people but I still want my fire department."

[Hurdegaryp]

Yeah, okay... I still don't like working for 50cents an hour

Oh, you will. Some are suited for industrial serfdom, others are suited for a slow and painful death through starvation.

[Selothey]

Yeah, okay... I still don't like working for 50cents an hour

Oh, you will. Some are suited for industrial serfdom, others are suited for a slow and painful death through starvation.

Well... Libertarianism sounds worse and worse...

[Gauthier]

Minimal government intervention would be as close to a Nightwatchman State as possible. The only legitimate function is the protection of individuals from assault, theft, breach of contract, and fraud, and the only legitimate governmental institutions are the military, police, and courts. In the broadest sense, it also includes various civil service and emergency-rescue departments (such as the fire departments), prisons, the executive, the judiciary, and the legislatures as legitimate government functions.

Assuming your thought experiment, the police would be present to defend both the property of the company from rioters and the rioters from scabs.

So it's more like "Fuck poor people but I still want my fire department."

"I pay the fire department to fuck poor people."

[Genivaria]

So it's more like "Fuck poor people but I still want my fire department."

"I pay the fire department to fuck poor people."

Ohhh myyy.

[Belligerent Alcoholics]

"I pay the fire department to fuck poor people."

Ohhh myyy.

Whoo baby, that's what I like!

[Taeji]

Theoretically, everyone gets equal chance everytime. Some are rich some are poor but if work hard, same chance.
But in reality, the 'Some who are rich' do not want to yield their chance, consolidiating their fortune, thus forming aristocracy.

Basically it is same with Communism, if all of the people are altruistic, ideologically straight, compassionate. It will work fine and form an Utopia. But no in reality

[Selothey]

[...] if all of the people are altruistic, ideologically straight, compassionate. It will work fine and form an Utopia.[...]

Which will not happen if we keep natural selection out of humanity

[Wintersun]

Why would private police work for a wage when they'd make more looting from their employer since there are no other police to stop them from doing so? That is if there are private police instead of everyone with a gun looting like crazy

[Natapoc]

Only socialism is utopian where libertarianism is dystopian.

One man's utopia is another's dystopia. Rich people might see Socialism as a dystopia and Libertarianism as a utopia.

The truly wealthy do not desire libertarian capitalism. Libertarian capitalism has nothing to offer the rich that they cannot already have under regular capitalism. The state exists for the benefit of those in power and the force and perceived legitimacy of the state is what gives the rich more power than they could ever have otherwise.

What I mean is no rich person would do better under libertarian capitalism than they would under the current system and most poor and middle class people would do far worse under libertarian capitalism.

[Norjagen]

There's this common straw man argument out there that Libertarians don't want to pay any taxes. That's not true. I would say that most modern Libertarians see the value in a measured approach toward government services. SOME taxes are obviously necessary for such services as police, fire departments, roads, etc.

However, there is a great emphasis on monitoring how that money is spent, and making sure it is spent wisely, with wasteful bureaucrats being held accountable. Theoretically, if there were less waste, and if the government were less bloated, everyone could pay less in taxes; not necessarily none, but less; without having to give up essential services.

[Genivaria]

Why would private police work for a wage when they'd make more looting from their employer since there are no other police to stop them from doing so? That is if there are private police instead of everyone with a gun looting like crazy

If there's no community to be tied to for them to care about then armed men will either become bandits, mercenaries, or find another kind of work.