Why would libertarianism not work?

[4years]

1. Nope it disagrees with you.
2. Not necessarily, unless you think that the most colorful picture in the world must also be the picture with the most red in it.
3. North Korea is a terribly unequal society.

1. Nuh- uh.
2. If your assertion is true, how can the most equitable society NOT be the most libertarian as well?
3. How so? Everyone save the ruling elite are harshly and equally oppressed.

2. The same way a colorful painting can not include the color red. A totally equal society would have to be libertarian, of course.
3. Everyone save the ruling elite are harshly and equally oppressed

[Grenartia]

Why would I spend my time telling you why Libertarianism would not work? Why can't you do it yourself? You really expect me to GIVE you my opinions without being paid for them, you Bolshevik?

"Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Finish this poem yourself,
You dependent parasite."
-Ayn Rand's first love poem.

Sigging.

[Hurdegaryp]

"Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Finish this poem yourself,
You dependent parasite."
-Ayn Rand's first love poem.

Sigging.

Now that's a bit harsh. Ayn Rand has been known to be a passionate lover, as long as the profit margins seemed sufficient.

[Gauthier]

Sigging.

Now that's a bit harsh. Ayn Rand has been known to be a passionate lover, as long as the profit margins seemed sufficient.

Or there was a high body count. Or both.

[Wolfmanne]

People should have both Social and economic freedom, thats why the Libertarian party is the largest and fastest growing 3rd party in the US.

If you believe people should have more social and economic freedom, you ought to try the Democratic Party, it's the only viable one that's even an option.

Libertarianism is for people who don't understand nuance or economics.

This is correct in some many ways. America could do with another New Democratic government.

[Stadacona]

It could work for a bit, but it would be distopian for most of the population, as they would basically be slaves to corporations with no guaranteed rights. It would not be able to last, however, because people can only take so much oppression

[BITW]

Liberatarianism will ruin our economy. Also, people need to be controlled. As of right now with the freedoms we have we abuse our freedoms.

[Des-Bal]

Libertarianism is only frightening to people who don't like freedom. Libertarianism means the end of telling people what they can and cannot do with their business or in the privacy of their homes. Libertarianism is fundamentally the idea that when people can be left alone they should be and that's just something people aren't used to.

[The Parkus Empire]

Libertarianism is only frightening to people who don't like freedom. Libertarianism means the end of telling people what they can and cannot do with their business or in the privacy of their homes. Libertarianism is fundamentally the idea that when people can be left alone they should be and that's just something people aren't used to.

I think we're talking economic libertarianism here as well, which only equates totally with freedom if you deny that money is power or freedom.

[Selothey]

For me it is rather simple...

For Mankind is not born "good", we are still influenced too much from our genes, instincts and "programmed" behaviour.

For Libertarianism to work, mankind would have to have a complete different set of "working procedures" evolved from modern life which is not possible because we stopped evolving as a species when we decided that we are more than nature and that "natural selection" is immoral and unethic for mankind and so we are stuck with millenia old programmed behaviour which is sometimes completely in contrast to the modern world.

For example we still naturally seek "a group with a leader", be it in sports, chess, literary clubs, we still care more for that specific group than anything else because we were programmed back then that we can only survive if we care for our own tribe and other tribes, animals and the general unknown pose a serious danger to it.
And that is why we see so many sometimes involuntary Hooligans at football games and why it is so goddamn wrong that everyone keeps telling themselves that it is "modern society" and/or "godlessness" that made them act like it... they are just acting out their base genetic program, protecting "their tribe" against another... only they don't hide it or try to mask it like everyone else does...

[Gauthier]

Libertarianism is only frightening to people who don't like freedom. Libertarianism means the end of telling people what they can and cannot do with their business or in the privacy of their homes. Libertarianism is fundamentally the idea that when people can be left alone they should be and that's just something people aren't used to.

Libertarianism not telling people what they can or cannot do means unrestricted monopolies, nonexistent consumer safety, and the start towards neofeudalism. Nobody advocated feudalism with wet dreams of becoming a toiling serf for the rest of their lives.

[Hurdegaryp]

Libertarianism is only frightening to people who don't like freedom. Libertarianism means the end of telling people what they can and cannot do with their business or in the privacy of their homes. Libertarianism is fundamentally the idea that when people can be left alone they should be and that's just something people aren't used to.

Which translates to a world where exploitation is seen as a virtue while the poor work eighty hours a week while struggling to avoid starvation. You know, the usual horrors of the capitalist paradise.

[The Parkus Empire]

Libertarianism is only frightening to people who don't like freedom. Libertarianism means the end of telling people what they can and cannot do with their business or in the privacy of their homes. Libertarianism is fundamentally the idea that when people can be left alone they should be and that's just something people aren't used to.

Libertarianism not telling people what they can or cannot do means unrestricted monopolies, nonexistent consumer safety, and the start towards neofeudalism. Nobody advocated feudalism with wet dreams of becoming a toiling serf for the rest of their lives.

I dunno, some Neo-Confederate libertarians seem to think the slaves had it pretty damn good. Not to say that's what they'd want to be, but they still seem to think it was nice.

[The Parkus Empire]

Libertarianism is only frightening to people who don't like freedom. Libertarianism means the end of telling people what they can and cannot do with their business or in the privacy of their homes. Libertarianism is fundamentally the idea that when people can be left alone they should be and that's just something people aren't used to.

Which translates to a world where exploitation is seen as a virtue while the poor work eighty hours a week while struggling to avoid starvation. You know, the usual horrors of the capitalist paradise.

Been spendin' most my life livin' in a capitalist paradise....

[Gauthier]

Libertarianism not telling people what they can or cannot do means unrestricted monopolies, nonexistent consumer safety, and the start towards neofeudalism. Nobody advocated feudalism with wet dreams of becoming a toiling serf for the rest of their lives.

I dunno, some Neo-Confederate libertarians seem to think the slaves had it pretty damn good. Not to say that's what they'd want to be, but they still seem to think it was nice.

That's just to excuse slavery. No Neo-Confederate ever said "Slavery's so fucking sweet I wanna be whipped and chained!"

[Regnum Dominae]

Liberatarianism will ruin our economy. Also, people need to be controlled. As of right now with the freedoms we have we abuse our freedoms.

Lolnope.

[The Parkus Empire]

I dunno, some Neo-Confederate libertarians seem to think the slaves had it pretty damn good. Not to say that's what they'd want to be, but they still seem to think it was nice.

That's just to excuse slavery. No Neo-Confederate ever said "Slavery's so fucking sweet I wanna be whipped and chained!"

Not outside of the bedroom anyway.

[Gauthier]

Liberatarianism will ruin our economy. Also, people need to be controlled. As of right now with the freedoms we have we abuse our freedoms.

Lolnope.

That's just classic Hobbesian philosophy. People start flinging shit unless there's some sort of order enforcing a no-shit zone.

[Hurdegaryp]

Which translates to a world where exploitation is seen as a virtue while the poor work eighty hours a week while struggling to avoid starvation. You know, the usual horrors of the capitalist paradise.

Been spendin' most my life livin' in a capitalist paradise....

The idea that libertarianism might actually be stealth neofeudalism is interesting, by the way. That statement could use further study.

[Gauthier]

Been spendin' most my life livin' in a capitalist paradise....

The idea that libertarianism might actually be stealth neofeudalism is interesting, by the way. That statement could use further study.

Pretty much is. The call for a lack of state interference is to prevent any blocks on monopolization or other lopsided acquisition of power as well as making human and civil rights secondary to property rights.

[Sociobiology]

I have been doing some research on libertarianism (minimal government for those who don't know) became a libertarian myself, and I've seen some criticisms that make sense such as "total freedom does not guarantee happiness" and I understand that. I read through the whole list and none of the other points and my faith in libertarianism was not swayed. Yet many still say that libertarianism would not work. I looked on the lists and found that the number of socialists and iron fisted dictatorships outweighed the number of libertarians an anarcho Capitalists, so all I'm asking for is your reasoning for choosing your own political philosophy, or, more to the point, why more people aren't shouldn't have both economic and social freedom . Please explain your reasoning.

what do you call minimum government?
Do you still have public schools, roads, NIST, healthcare, environmental regulation, ect.
Will your political structure be pure tyranny by majority?
Will it encourage bigotry and poverty?
How will it deal with the disadvantaged?
How will it deal with dissent?
How will it deal with conflict and/or violence?
Will it have common law?
If so how will it be determined and enforced?
How will ownership be determined?
Will rights exist and if so how will conflicts in them be resolved?

You need a solid idea not just fog.

[The Parkus Empire]

Been spendin' most my life livin' in a capitalist paradise....

The idea that libertarianism might actually be stealth neofeudalism is interesting, by the way. That statement could use further study.

It wouldn't quite be, unless neofeudalism incorporates consumerism. In other words, where you can sell such-and-such shoes would be as big of a deal as who owned the houses.

[Grave_n_idle]

Been spendin' most my life livin' in a capitalist paradise....

The idea that libertarianism might actually be stealth neofeudalism is interesting, by the way. That statement could use further study.

Search back through NSG history - we were discussing the same thing in mid-2010.

[Yehuddah]

Because there's a thing called too much freedom.
People need to be restrained for the national good.
After all, the nation is eternal.

[Duvniask]

Because there's a thing called too much freedom.
People need to be restrained for the national good.
After all, the nation is eternal.

Is it?