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Postby Liberated Freedomstan » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:59 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:It would work.

And because of the low taxes libertarians like people would have more to spend. And if people spend more it will create more demand which will create jobs.

So Libertarianism could also benefit the poor.

Could. Wouldn't, though.

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Postby Avenio » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:59 am

Kelmet wrote:http://www.lp.org/introduction/what-is-the-libertarian-party


For fact's ;)


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Postby Mkuki » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:01 am

Khalite wrote:Y'know, if Detroit did become its own Libertarian country ruled by rich people, Detroit might actually be better off. Those rich people might systematically clean up their city-sized country and sort out the riffraff. If I owned Detroit, or a part of it alongside others of similar status, I'd want to spruce the place up and get everything neat and sorted.

I don't think libertarians would want anything ruled by an oligarchy.
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Postby Khalite » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:01 am

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Khalite wrote:Y'know, if Detroit did become its own Libertarian country ruled by rich people, Detroit might actually be better off. Those rich people might systematically clean up their city-sized country and sort out the riffraff. If I owned Detroit, or a part of it alongside others of similar status, I'd want to spruce the place up and get everything neat and sorted.

Detroit is broken due to legal problems. Buying it wouldn't help.


Its legal problems and situation would immediately become different if it were its own city-state and had its own national identity. These legal problems you're referring to exist under the current political climate of the State and Country Detroit is a part of. Hypothetically, those same problems would shift to something different under this scenario.
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Postby Divair » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:01 am

Khalite wrote:It's legal problems and situation would immediately become different if it were its own city-state and had its own national identity. These legal problems you're referring to exist under the current political climate of the State and Country Detroit is a part of. Hypothetically, those same problems would shift to something different under this scenario.

I suspect you have no clue what legal problems I'm talking about.

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Postby Mkuki » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:01 am

Kelmet wrote:http://www.lp.org/introduction/what-is-the-libertarian-party


For fact's ;)

What facts? There's no policy positions. :eyebrow:
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Postby Kelmet » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:02 am

Avenio wrote:
Kelmet wrote:http://www.lp.org/introduction/what-is-the-libertarian-party


For fact's ;)


You know you've lost the argument when you're resorting to drive-by spamming party literature and smilies.

1 - I wasn't arguing
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3- I posted that so the Libertarian party could explain themselves.
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Postby Kelmet » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:02 am

Mkuki wrote:
Kelmet wrote:http://www.lp.org/introduction/what-is-the-libertarian-party


For fact's ;)

What facts? There's no policy positions. :eyebrow:

Exactly, Thats the Libertarians View point
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:05 am

Mkuki wrote:
Khalite wrote:Y'know, if Detroit did become its own Libertarian country ruled by rich people, Detroit might actually be better off. Those rich people might systematically clean up their city-sized country and sort out the riffraff. If I owned Detroit, or a part of it alongside others of similar status, I'd want to spruce the place up and get everything neat and sorted.

I don't think libertarians would want anything ruled by an oligarchy.


Even though oligarchies are inevitable outcomes of libertarianism?
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Postby Mkuki » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:05 am

Kelmet wrote:
Mkuki wrote:What facts? There's no policy positions. :eyebrow:

Exactly, Thats the Libertarians View point

So you've offered nothing to the discussion?
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Postby Khalite » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:05 am

I'm curious to know if working examples of a Libertarian government actually exist.
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Postby Divair » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:05 am

Mkuki wrote:
Kelmet wrote:Exactly, Thats the Libertarians View point

So you've offered nothing to the discussion?

Much like the party itself.

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Postby European Socialist Republic » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:06 am

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Postby Liberated Freedomstan » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:06 am

Khalite wrote:I'm curious to know if working examples of a Libertarian government actually exist.

I'd say the United States, but I'm a Comlibrunazi Yurop-ian.

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Postby Mkuki » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:06 am

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Mkuki wrote:I don't think libertarians would want anything ruled by an oligarchy.


Even though oligarchies are inevitable outcomes of libertarianism?

Given the general tenets of libertarianism I doubt they'd like that. Even libertarians aren't devoid of shortsightedness.
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Postby Uelvan » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:07 am

Khalite wrote:I'm curious to know if working examples of a Libertarian government actually exist.


We called it the Dark Age.

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Postby Frisivisia » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:07 am

Mkuki wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Even though oligarchies are inevitable outcomes of libertarianism?

Given the general tenets of libertarianism I doubt they'd like that. Even libertarians aren't devoid of shortsightedness.

They're libertarians. Libertarianism is just Feudalism before the chips fall into place.
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Postby Khalite » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:07 am

The United States is a bureaucracy-choked morass of complexity and Big Government. If the United States is Libertarian, I will eat a shoe.
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Postby Mkuki » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:07 am

Liberated Freedomstan wrote:
Khalite wrote:I'm curious to know if working examples of a Libertarian government actually exist.

I'd say the United States, but I'm a Comlibrunazi Yurop-ian.

Not really. Government subsidies to business run rampant within the US political system. Not to mention that the United States isn't all that tolerant of others. Some parts of her, anyway.
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Postby Kelmet » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:08 am

Divair wrote:
Mkuki wrote:So you've offered nothing to the discussion?

Much like the party itself.

He gets it, I'm adding by showing nothing that Libertarians say about themselves
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Postby Divair » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:08 am

Khalite wrote:The United States is a bureaucracy-choked morass of complexity and Big Government. If the United States is Libertarian, I will eat a shoe.

US? Big government? It doesn't even have a universal healthcare program.

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Postby Frisivisia » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:09 am

Khalite wrote:The United States is a bureaucracy-choked morass of complexity and Big Government. If the United States is Libertarian, I will eat a shoe.

That's fun and easy to say, but what does Big Government, "bureaucracy-choked" or "morass of complexity" even mean?
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Postby Surfistan » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:09 am

Because corporate feudalism, that's why.

Also the best argument against libertarianism is Ayn Rand.

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Postby Liberated Freedomstan » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:09 am

Mkuki wrote:
Liberated Freedomstan wrote:I'd say the United States, but I'm a Comlibrunazi Yurop-ian.

Not really. Government subsidies to business run rampant within the US political system. Not to mention that the United States isn't all that tolerant of others. Some parts of her, anyway.

Is Libertarianism against subsidies, then? I was under the impression that an ideology in support of a more powerful private sector would be all for it.

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Postby Mkuki » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:09 am

Kelmet wrote:
Divair wrote:Much like the party itself.

He gets it, I'm adding by showing nothing that Libertarians say about themselves

It would have made more sense to link to their platform.
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