Why would libertarianism not work?

[Mkuki]

The Libertarian viewpoint is quite selfish, I believe. Libertarians want more privatization of necessary services that provide for the public. If Libertarian ideals were pushed forward, there would be many people bereft of an ability to thrive. Most State governments provide a safety net, and the social contract requires cooperation from the citizen for the safety net to be maintained and for the most common good to be maintained. The harsh individualism of the Libertarian potentially ignores the rights of- and their responsibilities to -others.

Libertarians wish to be their own 'masters', with their own property held in complete bondage to them and them alone. It is a fantasy of individual power and 'freedom' for the common man that is but a dream.

The strongest advocates of feudalism always imagine themselves to be part of the ruling class.

Sounds like Marxist talk. *scrutinizes carefully*

[Frisivisia]

Utopia for a small class coupled with Dystopia for everyone else is just Dystopia. Socialism is utopia for everyone.

Nah. But this isn't a socialism debate thread.

It's a libertarian debate thread. Let's go on.

Socialism is, by definition, utopia for everyone. Libertarianism, is, in practice, dystopia for almost everyone.

[Gauthier]

The strongest advocates of feudalism always imagine themselves to be part of the ruling class.

I do not know if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me. Elaborate?

The proponents of a completely libertarian society are either well off, imagine themselves well off, or believe if they kiss up to the well off they will receive a welcome into the ranks of the well off. I have yet to meet a proponent who advocate from the perspective that they themselves might start off with a bad hand metaphorically.

[Khalite]

Nah. But this isn't a socialism debate thread.

It's a libertarian debate thread. Let's go on.

Socialism is, by definition, utopia for everyone. Libertarianism, is, in practice, dystopia for almost everyone.

^ This guy
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[Hornesia]

Nah. But this isn't a socialism debate thread.

It's a libertarian debate thread. Let's go on.

Socialism is, by definition, utopia for everyone. Libertarianism, is, in practice, dystopia for almost everyone.

Not really. Some people actually don't like government control over their lives. Shocking, isn't it?

[Frisivisia]

I do not know if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me. Elaborate?

The proponents of a completely libertarian society are either well off, imagine themselves well off, or believe if they kiss up to the well off they will receive a welcome into the ranks of the well off. I have yet to meet a proponent who advocate from the perspective that they themselves might start off with a bad hand metaphorically.

Everyone's John Galt.

[Divair]

The proponents of a completely libertarian society are either well off, imagine themselves well off, or believe if they kiss up to the well off they will receive a welcome into the ranks of the well off. I have yet to meet a proponent who advocate from the perspective that they themselves might start off with a bad hand metaphorically.

Everyone's John Galt.

Then who was phone?

[Frisivisia]

It's a libertarian debate thread. Let's go on.

Socialism is, by definition, utopia for everyone. Libertarianism, is, in practice, dystopia for almost everyone.

Not really. Some people actually don't like government control over their lives. Shocking, isn't it?

Socialism doesn't necessarily involve more gubmint cuntrolin' ya. Socialism just means democratic control of the means of production.

[Kelmet]

http://www.lp.org/introduction/what-is- ... rian-party


For fact's

[Divair]

http://www.lp.org/introduction/what-is-the-libertarian-party


For fact's

Because the best place to get unbiased info on a party is from the party's own page.

[Gauthier]

http://www.lp.org/introduction/what-is-the-libertarian-party


For fact's

Which is like looking up North Korea's website for facts on Democracy.

[Frisivisia]

http://www.lp.org/introduction/what-is-the-libertarian-party


For fact's

Couldn't they just have "Fuck The Poor, Gary Johnson" in big letters?

[Divair]

http://www.lp.org/introduction/what-is-the-libertarian-party


For fact's

Couldn't they just have "Fuck The Poor, Gary Johnson" in big letters?

They do. Just under "the Party of Principle".

[Liberated Freedomstan]

It would work. That's the thing, though, it would work, but not as intended.

I mean, Stalinism works, Fascism works, it's just that the effects of them working are generally considered horrifying and awful.

Libertarianism is essentially handing corporations and the rich control of everything on a silver platter, and forcing the rest of the population to suck their collective penii just to get by.

[Frisivisia]

Couldn't they just have "Fuck The Poor, Gary Johnson" in big letters?

They do. Just under "the Party of Principle".

Open and honest about their underclass-sodomizing ways.

[Khalite]

I admit that Libertarian ideals might work...

If a bunch of wealthy moguls formed their own nation on a private island and built their houses into fortresses and warily watched each other all the time.

[Divair]

They do. Just under "the Party of Principle".

Open and honest about their underclass-sodomizing ways.

Might be why they've only gotten above 1% of the vote twice since their foundation. Far better to lie. That's why the GOP still has so many fanboys.

[Frisivisia]

Open and honest about their underclass-sodomizing ways.

Might be why they've only gotten above 1% of the vote twice since their foundation. Far better to lie. That's why the GOP still has so many fanboys.

Trust us, when we're in office, you'll be one of the guys fucking guys like you over.

[Gauthier]

I admit that Libertarian ideals might work...

If a bunch of wealthy moguls formed their own nation on a private island and built their houses into fortresses and warily watched each other all the time.

They might buy Detroit and turn it into their private Fiddler's Green.

[Divair]

I admit that Libertarian ideals might work...

If a bunch of wealthy moguls formed their own nation on a private island and built their houses into fortresses and warily watched each other all the time.

They might buy Detroit and turn it into their private Fiddler's Green.

Isn't that what Glenn Beck is doing?

[Uelvan]

One man's utopia is another's dystopia. Rich people might see Socialism as a dystopia and Libertarianism as a utopia.

So 1984's Oceania was actually a utopia because the approximately 20 people in the Upper Party had a pretty swell life?

For the 20 people in charge, yep. They get to do whatever they want, and no one will question it.

[Uelvan]

Nah. But this isn't a socialism debate thread.

It's a libertarian debate thread. Let's go on.

Socialism is, by definition, utopia for everyone. Libertarianism, is, in practice, dystopia for almost everyone.

The utopia for the gullible maybe.

[Empire of Vlissingen]

It would work.

And because of the low taxes libertarians like people would have more to spend. And if people spend more it will create more demand which will create jobs.

So Libertarianism could also benefit the poor.

[Khalite]

Y'know, if Detroit did become its own Libertarian country ruled by rich people, Detroit might actually be better off. Those rich people might systematically clean up their city-sized country and sort out the riffraff. If I owned Detroit, or a part of it alongside others of similar status, I'd want to spruce the place up and get everything neat and sorted.

[Divair]

Y'know, if Detroit did become its own Libertarian country ruled by rich people, Detroit might actually be better off. Those rich people might systematically clean up their city-sized country and sort out the riffraff. If I owned Detroit, or a part of it alongside others of similar status, I'd want to spruce the place up and get everything neat and sorted.

Detroit is broken due to legal problems. Buying it wouldn't help.