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Frisivisia
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Postby Frisivisia » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:01 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:A cheap ad-hominem. You really ought to take a break and cool off.


Your inability to recognize sarcasm - or counterpoints, for that matter - is not on me.

You're awfully bad at the whole comedy thing, if that's to be believed as comedy.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:01 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:A cheap ad-hominem. You really ought to take a break and cool off.


Your inability to recognize sarcasm - or counterpoints, for that matter - is not on me.


Seemed pretty blatant and obvious to me. Weird how that works.

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Postby With Teeth » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:01 pm

The Realm of God wrote:
With Teeth wrote:
Not exactly, but close enough.

I don't agree with the cosmological arguments, but I think atheists are making atheism look worse, intellectually, when they respond in such a way.


So do you agree with me that theism can be just as intellectual as atheism?


I think atheism is true, and that theism is false. However, I think academic theism presents a case that is certainly not as easy to deal with as most atheists would pretend.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:02 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:A cheap ad-hominem. You really ought to take a break and cool off.


Your inability to recognize sarcasm - or counterpoints, for that matter - is not on me.

You call that sarcasm?

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:02 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:I'm not having a private conversation with you alone? Hence the reason that I sought to address your point, and then expand it to a broader whole.

If you wish, I can start addressing you as though you believe in Young Earth Creationism, the Great Lord Xenu, slavery, or rape of inferior races. Whether or not our discussion is private is immaterial to the fact that I neither suggested nor said anything along the lines that you accused me of. I don't mean this in an upset manner, mind you, and if I come off as such, I apologize, but I find that making a large point of a small point that might otherwise be lost in the static goes a long way towards it coming back later and requiring a second address.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:02 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Your inability to recognize sarcasm - or counterpoints, for that matter - is not on me.

You're awfully bad at the whole comedy thing, if that's to be believed as comedy.


Go cry about it.

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Postby Frisivisia » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:02 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Your inability to recognize sarcasm - or counterpoints, for that matter - is not on me.


Seemed pretty blatant and obvious to me. Weird how that works.

Oh, it wasn't lost on me. It just wasn't that funny or readable.
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Postby The Realm of God » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:03 pm

With Teeth wrote:
The Realm of God wrote:
So do you agree with me that theism can be just as intellectual as atheism?


I think atheism is true, and that theism is false. However, I think academic theism presents a case that is certainly not as easy to deal with as most atheists would pretend.


*smiles*

Well we can sort of agree on something.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:03 pm

With Teeth wrote:
The Realm of God wrote:
So do you agree with me that theism can be just as intellectual as atheism?


I think atheism is true, and that theism is false. However, I think academic theism presents a case that is certainly not as easy to deal with as most atheists would pretend.


I wanted to ask you: How do physics show, that the universe has no external cause?
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Postby Asshatland » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:03 pm

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I think that's a cop-out. The "nice" religious people form the codependent base that allows the "extremists" to exist in the first place.


Therefore, you support Stalin.


Nice non sequitur and borderline Godwin's Law there. I guess it's your turn to make false accusations.

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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:03 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
With Teeth wrote:
You deserve an award for the biggest non-sequitur ever made.


Are you seriously...

Do you people seriously not get the point I was making?

Welcome to NSG: Religion thread Redux.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:03 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Your inability to recognize sarcasm - or counterpoints, for that matter - is not on me.

You call that sarcasm?


Yes?

I don't sincerely believe he supports stalin.

Clearly however, according to his ideology, he supports the codependent base that allows the Stalins of the world to exist.

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Postby Frisivisia » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:03 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:You're awfully bad at the whole comedy thing, if that's to be believed as comedy.


Go cry about it.

You keep saying this, but I'm unsure as to who's actually crying.

Remember this, though, because we're usually on the same side. Feel remorse for my opponents, because this is what they deal with all the time. I'm essentially unbeaten.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:03 pm

Asshatland wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Therefore, you support Stalin.


Nice non sequitur and borderline Godwin's Law there. I guess it's your turn to make false accusations.


Not at all.

You are an atheist, are you not?

You form the codependent base that allowed Stalin to exist.

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Postby The Orson Empire » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:04 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:You call that sarcasm?


Yes?

I don't sincerely believe he supports stalin.

Clearly however, according to his ideology, he supports the codependent base that allows the Stalins of the world to exist.

I don't think you know what sarcasm is then.

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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:04 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Go cry about it.

You keep saying this, but I'm unsure as to who's actually crying.

Remember this, though, because we're usually on the same side. Feel remorse for my opponents, because this is what they deal with all the time. I'm essentially unbeaten.


Can I not disagree with you when I find your politics callous and laughable?

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Postby Frisivisia » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:04 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Are you seriously...

Do you people seriously not get the point I was making?

Welcome to NSG: Religion thread Redux.
Only surpassed in point-ignoring and bad analogy-making by abortion threads.

And, possibly, one-sidedness. I don't know if I've ever seen the religious or the pro-life win a thread. Ever.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:04 pm

Frisivisia wrote:Another religion thread won for the atheist side.

'Won'? A refusal to address the argument is, like the metaphorical retreat to the keep, neither a victory nor a defeat for either side. Rather, it is a cessation of the engagement and a cause for further conflict - all it is is stalling the inevitable; either death (In the literal sense - old age, sickness, freak accident, etc) or further conflict (Another argument).
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:05 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Yes?

I don't sincerely believe he supports stalin.

Clearly however, according to his ideology, he supports the codependent base that allows the Stalins of the world to exist.

I don't think you know what sarcasm is then.


Good Christ.

He was making the claim that by being religious, we form the codependent base that allows extremists to exist.

I was turning that back on him.

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Postby Frisivisia » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:05 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:You keep saying this, but I'm unsure as to who's actually crying.

Remember this, though, because we're usually on the same side. Feel remorse for my opponents, because this is what they deal with all the time. I'm essentially unbeaten.


Can I not disagree with you when I find your politics callous and laughable?

Sure you can, when you get to it.
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Postby With Teeth » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:05 pm

Blasveck wrote:
With Teeth wrote:
Not exactly, but close enough.

I don't agree with the cosmological arguments, but I think atheists are making atheism look worse, intellectually, when they respond in such a way.


Well how would you respond then?

(I'm an agnostic, just to let you know)


I made a google doc for it if you're interested. It's not easy material.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:05 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Occupied Deutschland wrote:Welcome to NSG: Religion thread Redux.
Only surpassed in point-ignoring and bad analogy-making by abortion threads.

And, possibly, one-sidedness. I don't know if I've ever seen the religious or the pro-life win a thread. Ever.


If you seriously think the point is winning then I don't quite know what to say.

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:05 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Asshatland wrote:
Nice non sequitur and borderline Godwin's Law there. I guess it's your turn to make false accusations.


Not at all.

You are an atheist, are you not?

You form the codependent base that allowed Stalin to exist.


Atheism isn't a faction like a religions would be.It just means, people don't believe in God. I can't form a codependent base for Stalin because, I am not a Marxist like he was.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:06 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:I don't think you know what sarcasm is then.


Good Christ.

He was making the claim that by being religious, we form the codependent base that allows extremists to exist.

I was turning that back on him.

That's not sarcasm. That's blatantly accusing him.

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Postby With Teeth » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:06 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Asshatland wrote:
Nice non sequitur and borderline Godwin's Law there. I guess it's your turn to make false accusations.


Not at all.

You are an atheist, are you not?

You form the codependent base that allowed Stalin to exist.


I didn't know I was alive when Stalin was going around killing people.

Let me get this right...I form a base that allowed someone to kill a bunch of people a few decades ago?

Wow...
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