Explain Your Religious Views or Lack Thereof

[Frisivisia]

Right. Please, tell me, how does any God fit into modern physics as we understand them today? The material god of Hobbes, perhaps, but at the point where a God is nothing more than a material construct that follows the laws of physics, then it is nothing more than a very complex machine, like a human being.

God doesn't. That is because God most likely exists outside of this universe. He is not trapped inside His own creation.

Where is God?

[The Scientific States]

This thread is (has) becoming horribly derailed...its called "Explain Your Religious Views or Lack Thereof" not "Debate Your Religious Views or Lack Thereor".

It's not even a debate anymore, it's just a bunch of insults and accusations being thrown around.

[With Teeth]

"Explain Your Religious Views or Lack Thereof"

My translation:

State why you're your religion, get badged at by people over the internet, and ignore what they say...Which is probably what I'm going to do. But I guess I'll be "bold" enough to explain.

I'm a Christian because it seems very understanding and logical to me. I do not believe we're here on Earth for absolutely No reason or from a result of complete randomness or from any other explanation others may believe. I go by my own logic:

1. Absolute nothingness (Define as Nothing - "Not anything; no single thing") does not exist (In a sense that it is impossible for one to be unable to use all of their five senses).

2. A common idea of nothing - Lack of a creator or any type of actual being, can not create anything.

3. Since absolute nothingness does not exist, something must've been here all along in order to create the world we live in today and our existence.

3. I personally believe that something is God and that he is self-existent.

I don't consider being Christian as a "religion", I see it as a way of life (which is why I usually quote the word religion often when I speak over the internet), but since many consider it as a "religion", I use the word for people to get a better understanding.

I consider myself a very Basic Christian - a "Non-Traditional" Presbyterian Christian. This means I'm Protestant (not Catholic) and that I don't follow any man-made "religious" traditions (such as Lent) unless I'd truly like to.

I actually don't go to church, I like to learn more about my "religion" personally (meaning at home or solely with my family).

I love reading other books about my "religion" besides solely the bible, and I love checking out websites about my "religion" - such as http://www.icr.org/, http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers and many more.

The only way I'd ever become an atheist is if:

1. There's proof of absolute nothingness (Define as Nothing - "Not anything; no single thing")

2. That absolute nothingness can create something.

3. At least five fossils showing transitions according to the theory of Macro-Evolution.

I have absolutely NOTHING against Atheists or those with another religion. If I know absolutely nothing about someone personally, I automatically treat them as I'd like to be treated.
Of course, I have many things against Anyone who talks in a rude, insensitive manner just because of something I've stated or disagreed with. I've had friends with different religions and friends who are atheists - and still do. I actually had some feelings for an atheist before.

But overall that's me explaining my religious views.

Why do you assume that an atheist must think the universe came from nothing? This is completely contradicted by reading a single book or article by modern day atheist philosophers.

[Uelvan]

You can be religious and believe in scientific facts.

Right. Please, tell me, how does any God fit into modern physics as we understand them today? The material god of Hobbes, perhaps, but at the point where a God is nothing more than a material construct that follows the laws of physics, then it is nothing more than a very complex machine, like a human being.

Does god have to? People can define their world views on multiple sources, you know.

[Blasveck]

"Explain Your Religious Views or Lack Thereof"

My translation:

State why you're your religion, get badged at by people over the internet, and ignore what they say...Which is probably what I'm going to do. But I guess I'll be "bold" enough to explain.

I'm a Christian because it seems very understanding and logical to me. I do not believe we're here on Earth for absolutely No reason or from a result of complete randomness or from any other explanation others may believe. I go by my own logic:

1. Absolute nothingness (Define as Nothing - "Not anything; no single thing") does not exist (In a sense that it is impossible for one to be unable to use all of their five senses).

2. A common idea of nothing - Lack of a creator or any type of actual being, can not create anything.

3. Since absolute nothingness does not exist, something must've been here all along in order to create the world we live in today and our existence.

3. I personally believe that something is God and that he is self-existent.

I don't consider being Christian as a "religion", I see it as a way of life (which is why I usually quote the word religion often when I speak over the internet), but since many consider it as a "religion", I use the word for people to get a better understanding.

I consider myself a very Basic Christian - a "Non-Traditional" Presbyterian Christian. This means I'm Protestant (not Catholic) and that I don't follow any man-made "religious" traditions (such as Lent) unless I'd truly like to.

I actually don't go to church, I like to learn more about my "religion" personally (meaning at home or solely with my family).

I love reading other books about my "religion" besides solely the bible, and I love checking out websites about my "religion" - such as http://www.icr.org/, http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers and many more.

The only way I'd ever become an atheist is if:

1. There's proof of absolute nothingness (Define as Nothing - "Not anything; no single thing")

2. That absolute nothingness can create something.

3. At least five fossils showing transitions according to the theory of Macro-Evolution.

I have absolutely NOTHING against Atheists or those with another religion. If I know absolutely nothing about someone personally, I automatically treat them as I'd like to be treated.
Of course, I have many things against Anyone who talks in a rude, insensitive manner just because of something I've stated or disagreed with. I've had friends with different religions and friends who are atheists - and still do. I actually had some feelings for an atheist before.

But overall that's me explaining my religious views.

1. But what created the creator?
2. Evolution happened. You want evidence for it? You want evidence for Macro evolution? We can give it to you if you want.

[The Truth and Light]

I'm personally not religious, but I respect people who do follow a religion and I recognize the emotional and cultural importance of religions.

In other words, I don't believe in any particular god, but I don't bash people who do, especially since it's such a closely held, personal belief. I don't want to be disrespectful.

[With Teeth]

Right. Please, tell me, how does any God fit into modern physics as we understand them today? The material god of Hobbes, perhaps, but at the point where a God is nothing more than a material construct that follows the laws of physics, then it is nothing more than a very complex machine, like a human being.

God doesn't. That is because God most likely exists outside of this universe. He is not trapped inside His own creation.

Physics demonstrates that there is no external cause of the universe.

[Bolden]

This thread is (has) becoming horribly derailed...its called "Explain Your Religious Views or Lack Thereof" not "Debate Your Religious Views or Lack Thereor".

Thank you!

But..it's nationstates...so, you know it hardly ever works that way for some reason..Lol...sigh..

[Linux Universe]

I believe in the Christian deity, I was raised Roman Catholic, I can't stop struggling with God though.

[Frisivisia]

I didn't say they weren't. I said that cafeteria religion is really counter-intuitive.

To you.

Not all opinions are equally valid just cause. If you'd actually like to argue against me, that would be super. Well, actually, I suppose you tried, but, after all, I am me.

[The Steel Magnolia]

I'm personally not religious, but I respect people who do follow a religion and I recognize the emotional and cultural importance of religions.

In other words, I don't believe in any particular god, but I don't bash people who do, especially since it's such a closely held, personal belief. I don't want to be disrespectful.

Would that there were more of you.

[Uiiop]

This thread is (has) becoming horribly derailed...its called "Explain Your Religious Views or Lack Thereof" not "Debate Your Religious Views or Lack Thereor".

It's not even a debate anymore, it's just a bunch of insults and accusations being thrown around.

I hate plain religion threads.

[Asshatland]

Right. Please, tell me, how does any God fit into modern physics as we understand them today? The material god of Hobbes, perhaps, but at the point where a God is nothing more than a material construct that follows the laws of physics, then it is nothing more than a very complex machine, like a human being.

God doesn't. That is because God most likely exists outside of this universe. He is not trapped inside His own creation.

God is a fictional character from the mythology of the ancient Middle East. The only place it has any existence is in the imagination of humanity.

That seems a little more logically-consistent, doesn't it?

[The Kingdom of Nea Hellas]

I'm getting a headache just from reading the last 5 pages.

[Conserative Morality]

I merely don't accept the notion that every aspect of one's life and the world around us must be held to some extreme logical ideal. Such would make for a very uninteresting world, in my opinion.

You are welcome to find otherwise, of course.

I don't find the world to be particularly logical. Or rather, I find the world to run on logical principles in the sense of the motions of reality, but act in an illogical manner, as I perceive it. I understand reality in one sense, but I perceive it in another.

But if I find, say, the existence of a rainbow beautiful not because of the scientific patterns water droplets create, who are you to tell me I do not find it beautiful?

A person. A person with a voice, with opinions, with the ability to think and a thought that said otherwise, if I thought as much?

You seem to be confusing irreligion with a lack of romanticism. That's a rookie mistake.

[With Teeth]

1. But what created the creator?

Ok, stop.

I'm an atheist, but this is one of the worst, hackneyed, unsophisticated objections one could ever raise. It's such a bad argument. No one should ever, ever, ever use it again.

[Frisivisia]

I'm personally not religious, but I respect people who do follow a religion and I recognize the emotional and cultural importance of religions.

In other words, I don't believe in any particular god, but I don't bash people who do, especially since it's such a closely held, personal belief. I don't want to be disrespectful.

I believe that poor people are the cause of all suffering. This is a deeply-held personal belief. Don't you be disrespectful.

[The Steel Magnolia]

To you.

Not all opinions are equally valid just cause. If you'd actually like to argue against me, that would be super. Well, actually, I suppose you tried, but, after all, I am me.

With strawmen, blatant aggression, a thorough unwillingness to consider perspective or a modicum of moderation?

Yes, quite accurate I suppose.

[The Orson Empire]

God doesn't. That is because God most likely exists outside of this universe. He is not trapped inside His own creation.

Where is God?

According to the Bible, in Heaven.

[Frisivisia]

It's not even a debate anymore, it's just a bunch of insults and accusations being thrown around.

I hate plain religion threads.

For the record, I'm not throwing insults.

[The Steel Magnolia]

I merely don't accept the notion that every aspect of one's life and the world around us must be held to some extreme logical ideal. Such would make for a very uninteresting world, in my opinion.

You are welcome to find otherwise, of course.

I don't find the world to be particularly logical. Or rather, I find the world to run on logical principles in the sense of the motions of reality, but act in an illogical manner, as I perceive it. I understand reality in one sense, but I perceive it in another.

But if I find, say, the existence of a rainbow beautiful not because of the scientific patterns water droplets create, who are you to tell me I do not find it beautiful?

A person. A person with a voice, with opinions, with the ability to think and a thought that said otherwise, if I thought as much?

You seem to be confusing irreligion with a lack of romanticism. That's a rookie mistake.

People in this thread have claimed otherwise.

[Tabret]

"Explain Your Religious Views or Lack Thereof"

My translation:

State why you're your religion, get badged at by people over the internet, and ignore what they say...Which is probably what I'm going to do. But I guess I'll be "bold" enough to explain.

I'm a Christian because it seems very understanding and logical to me. I do not believe we're here on Earth for absolutely No reason or from a result of complete randomness or from any other explanation others may believe. I go by my own logic:

1. Absolute nothingness (Define as Nothing - "Not anything; no single thing") does not exist (In a sense that it is impossible for one to be unable to use all of their five senses).

2. A common idea of nothing - Lack of a creator or any type of actual being, can not create anything.

3. Since absolute nothingness does not exist, something must've been here all along in order to create the world we live in today and our existence.

3. I personally believe that something is God and that he is self-existent.

I don't consider being Christian as a "religion", I see it as a way of life (which is why I usually quote the word religion often when I speak over the internet), but since many consider it as a "religion", I use the word for people to get a better understanding.

I consider myself a very Basic Christian - a "Non-Traditional" Presbyterian Christian. This means I'm Protestant (not Catholic) and that I don't follow any man-made "religious" traditions (such as Lent) unless I'd truly like to.

I actually don't go to church, I like to learn more about my "religion" personally (meaning at home or solely with my family).

I love reading other books about my "religion" besides solely the bible, and I love checking out websites about my "religion" - such as http://www.icr.org/, http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers and many more.

The only way I'd ever become an atheist is if:

1. There's proof of absolute nothingness (Define as Nothing - "Not anything; no single thing")

2. That absolute nothingness can create something.

3. At least five fossils showing transitions according to the theory of Macro-Evolution.

I have absolutely NOTHING against Atheists or those with another religion. If I know absolutely nothing about someone personally, I automatically treat them as I'd like to be treated.
Of course, I have many things against Anyone who talks in a rude, insensitive manner just because of something I've stated or disagreed with. I've had friends with different religions and friends who are atheists - and still do. I actually had some feelings for an atheist before.

But overall that's me explaining my religious views.

Interesting views, and I like how you consider Christianity as a way of life more than a religion, as it's a beautiful way of life, cheers

[Frisivisia]

Where is God?

According to the Bible, in Heaven.

So heaven is outside of the universe, correct?

[Conscentia]

I believe in the Christian deity, I was raised Roman Catholic, I can't stop struggling with God though.

Address this:

I have found myself wondering if anyone is really a theist, or if they have merely learned to apply a label of "god" to a figure from a myth that they have been convinced it real but know only from basic descriptions in scriptures.
I wonder if any "theist" could actually recognise a "god". I wonder if anyone could actually recognise a "god".
I sure cannot tell you what "god" even means.
Seems like a meaningless label applied to supposedly powerful figures that are revered because they possess that label or an equivalent.

[The Steel Magnolia]

I hate plain religion threads.

For the record, I'm not throwing insults.

All religion is evil isn't an insult now.