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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:18 pm

Jamjai wrote:
Kolumbiya wrote:I am an atheist. I also believe that religion is holding back the progress of the human race and should be eradicated. If we want to progress scientifically, and technologically, religion cannot be a powerful aspect in the world, which it, sadly, currently is.


religion does have science in it, it just matters how a person thinks

No it doesn't.
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Postby Jamjai » Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:26 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Jamjai wrote:
religion does have science in it, it just matters how a person thinks

No it doesn't.


but it makes you curious about the world and things it said in there
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Postby Blasveck » Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:28 pm

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Mavorpen wrote:No it doesn't.


but it makes you curious about the world and things it said in there


No, religion makes you worship a being that may or may not exist and that you'll never see in your lifetime.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:32 pm

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Mavorpen wrote:No it doesn't.


but it makes you curious about the world and things it said in there

...What?
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Postby Jamjai » Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:50 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Jamjai wrote:
but it makes you curious about the world and things it said in there


No, religion makes you worship a being that may or may not exist and that you'll never see in your lifetime.


no, you don't understand what I'm trying to say
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Postby Jamjai » Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:55 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Jamjai wrote:
but it makes you curious about the world and things it said in there

...What?


nothing
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:05 pm

Jamjai wrote:
Kolumbiya wrote:I am an atheist. I also believe that religion is holding back the progress of the human race and should be eradicated. If we want to progress scientifically, and technologically, religion cannot be a powerful aspect in the world, which it, sadly, currently is.


religion does have science in it, it just matters how a person thinks

No, there's absolutely nothing scientific about religion.
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Postby Zottistan » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:06 pm

Jamjai wrote:
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No, religion makes you worship a being that may or may not exist and that you'll never see in your lifetime.


no, you don't understand what I'm trying to say

Then explain it.
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Postby The Rich Port » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:28 pm

Jamjai wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No it doesn't.


but it makes you curious about the world and things it said in there


Or... You could just be curious about things that are there that have nothing to do with religion.

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Postby Usaea » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:30 pm

Dyakovo wrote:[
No, there's absolutely nothing scientific about religion.

Or maybe there is, if you think about it from a certain perspective.

More specifically, relating to psychology and the study of the human mind. We have always tried to understand the world around us and our place in it. But where that understanding has failed us, or fallen short, we have filled in the gaps with superstition and blind faith.

A quote puts it best:
"Why does the sun go round the sky? I don't know, so I will attribute it to the efforts of a sun god with a golden chariot. Why do people die? I can't say, but I will choose to believe it is the murky business of a reaper who carries souls to the afterworld.”

And so on.


tl;dr, religion in itself is not a science, but is relevant to it.
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Postby Salandriagado » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:32 pm

Usaea wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:[
No, there's absolutely nothing scientific about religion.

Or maybe there is, if you think about it from a certain perspective. Religion can be very relevant to science.

More specifically, psychology and the study of the human mind. We have always tried to understand the world around us and our place in it. But where that understanding has failed us, or fallen short, we have filled in the gaps with superstition and blind faith.

A quote puts it best:
"Why does the sun go round the sky? I don't know, so I will attribute it to the efforts of a sun god with a golden chariot. Why do people die? I can't say, but I will choose to believe it is the murky business of a reaper who carries souls to the afterworld.”

And so on.


tl;dr, one could argue that religion is in fact a branch of psychology.


No, religion is an object of study of psychology/sociology.




You have no idea what science is, do you?
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Postby Usaea » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:35 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Usaea wrote:Or maybe there is, if you think about it from a certain perspective. Religion can be very relevant to science.

More specifically, psychology and the study of the human mind. We have always tried to understand the world around us and our place in it. But where that understanding has failed us, or fallen short, we have filled in the gaps with superstition and blind faith.

A quote puts it best:
"Why does the sun go round the sky? I don't know, so I will attribute it to the efforts of a sun god with a golden chariot. Why do people die? I can't say, but I will choose to believe it is the murky business of a reaper who carries souls to the afterworld.”

And so on.


tl;dr, one could argue that religion is in fact a branch of psychology.


No, religion is an object of study of psychology/sociology.




You have no idea what science is, do you?

That's what I was trying to say, but I suppose I got a bit carried away with that last sentence.

Corrections made.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:36 pm

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Christianity is the only religion and whites are the only people. :roll:


Well can't say I'm surprised, that you dismiss any answer or evidence, that goes against your viewpoint. :lol2:
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:37 pm

Isle DS wrote:
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Theistic or Non-Theistic?


Is that I question for me or Vareiln? If it is for me I don't understand what you mean by it.


I was asking Vareiln.
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Postby Distruzio » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:39 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Jamjai wrote:
but it makes you curious about the world and things it said in there


No, religion makes you worship a being that may or may not exist and that you'll never see in your lifetime.


I wouldn't say that....
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Postby The Rich Port » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:39 pm

Usaea wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:[
No, there's absolutely nothing scientific about religion.

Or maybe there is, if you think about it from a certain perspective.

More specifically, relating to psychology and the study of the human mind. We have always tried to understand the world around us and our place in it. But where that understanding has failed us, or fallen short, we have filled in the gaps with superstition and blind faith.

A quote puts it best:
"Why does the sun go round the sky? I don't know, so I will attribute it to the efforts of a sun god with a golden chariot. Why do people die? I can't say, but I will choose to believe it is the murky business of a reaper who carries souls to the afterworld.”

And so on.


tl;dr, religion in itself is not a science, but is relevant to it.


... No.

Just... No.

How does that even make sense?

Actually, no, that kind of makes sense.

But then you forget about theology, which already kind of factors in the ridiculousness of religion and tries to find the limits of religious ridiculousness.

That's how Apologetics were born.

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:40 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
No, religion makes you worship a being that may or may not exist and that you'll never see in your lifetime.


I wouldn't say that....


And why is that?
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Postby Neo Lugdnunum » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:40 pm

I did never get any kind of religious education, the country I live in isn't really religious and more personally I've never felt the need for religion.
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Postby Usaea » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:50 pm

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... No.

Just... No.

How does that even make sense?

Actually, no, that kind of makes sense.

But then you forget about theology, which already kind of factors in the ridiculousness of religion and tries to find the limits of religious ridiculousness.

That's how Apologetics were born.

I do not defend religion, or the problems it causes. In fact I think we'd be better off without it.

But I do maintain that is still relevant to science. For example, we can study its effects to further our understanding of psychology and sociology.
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Postby The Rich Port » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:52 pm

Usaea wrote:I do not defend religion, or the problems it causes. In fact I think we'd be better off without it.

But I do maintain that is still relevant to science. For example, we can study its effects to further our understanding of psychology and sociology.


That very easily fits into a History of Science, either as a separate class or integrated into a science class briefly.

If you really want to explore the effects of religion on the individual and society, that can easily be covered in sociology.

I doubt, though, that starting from theology can get us anywhere without costing lots of time and resources.

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Postby Usaea » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:58 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Usaea wrote:I do not defend religion, or the problems it causes. In fact I think we'd be better off without it.

But I do maintain that is still relevant to science. For example, we can study its effects to further our understanding of psychology and sociology.


That very easily fits into a History of Science, either as a separate class or integrated into a science class briefly.

If you really want to explore the effects of religion on the individual and society, that can easily be covered in sociology.

I doubt, though, that starting from theology can get us anywhere without costing lots of time and resources.

This I can agree with. Point conceded.
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Postby The Rich Port » Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:00 pm

This discussion reminds me of that one guy who thought he could prove the soul existed by weighing human beings as they died and seeing if they lost weight.

Evidently, the soul is very light.

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Postby Distruzio » Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:06 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
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I wouldn't say that....


And why is that?



I wouldn't say that religion forces you to worship. I'd say it forces you to become aware of societal expectations. Your worship depends on you.
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Postby Usaea » Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:10 pm

The Rich Port wrote:This discussion reminds me of that one guy who thought he could prove the soul existed by weighing human beings as they died and seeing if they lost weight.

Evidently, the soul is very light.

No doubt he was more than a little disappointed, too.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:18 pm

Distruzio wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
And why is that?



I wouldn't say that religion forces you to worship. I'd say it forces you to become aware of societal expectations. Your worship depends on you.


Well if you're not going to worship ''God'' which is an major part of Religion, then what is the whole point? Religion being the acknowledgement and worship of a superhuman controlling power or spirit. Also if most many people are taught from birth, and expected to believe in a God and pray, then you're kinda being forced. I don't understand how it makes one of aware of norms. I mean, I knew it was the ''norm'' to be part of a Religion, before? So do elaborate on your second point.
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