Explain Your Religious Views or Lack Thereof

[Neo Rome Republic]

No if the universe is eternal it would have no creator or designer, therefore God by default would not exist.

Maybe your interpretation of 'god' is wrong, and he doesn't need to have created or designed the universe?

Or maybe he created and designed a universe that is eternal, because he's god and he can do things like that.

If the universe was proven to have no beginning and existed forever, God would not have any ''room'' to exist. However, the universe has not yet been proven to exist forever.

[Grave_n_idle]

Maybe your interpretation of 'god' is wrong, and he doesn't need to have created or designed the universe?

Or maybe he created and designed a universe that is eternal, because he's god and he can do things like that.

If the universe was proven to have no beginning and existed forever, God would not have any ''room'' to exist. However, the universe has not yet been proven to exist forever.

'God' doesn't need 'room' to exist. Your logic is illogical.

[Neo Rome Republic]

If the universe was proven to have no beginning and existed forever, God would not have any ''room'' to exist. However, the universe has not yet been proven to exist forever.

'God' doesn't need 'room' to exist. Your logic is illogical.

HOW??? If God is suppose to be the creator of the universe, and the universe were to always exist, a God could not have created it. Jeez, what's so hard to understand.

[Frisivisia]

If the universe was proven to have no beginning and existed forever, God would not have any ''room'' to exist. However, the universe has not yet been proven to exist forever.

'God' doesn't need 'room' to exist. Your logic is illogical.

If it's illogical, it's logic, and if your only explanation is "God is magic", you have an awfully shitty hypothesis that I'm sure you have yet to provide proof for.

[Blasveck]

'God' doesn't need 'room' to exist. Your logic is illogical.

HOW??? If God is suppose to be the creator of the universe, and the universe were to always exist, a God could not have created it. Jeez, what's so hard to understand.

"God", in the typical sense, is a being outside of space and time, and he/she/it doesn't need "space".

The universe hasn't existed forever anyways.

[Frisivisia]

HOW??? If God is suppose to be the creator of the universe, and the universe were to always exist, a God could not have created it. Jeez, what's so hard to understand.

"God", in the typical sense, is a being outside of space and time, and he/she/it doesn't need "space".

The universe hasn't existed forever anyways.

We can assume that time wasn't really a thing before the space-time that the universe is was.

[Neo Rome Republic]

HOW??? If God is suppose to be the creator of the universe, and the universe were to always exist, a God could not have created it. Jeez, what's so hard to understand.

"God", in the typical sense, is a being outside of space and time, and he/she/it doesn't need "space".

The universe hasn't existed forever anyways.

I know it hasn't, it's just a hypothetical. Anyway, if God is outside of time and space, I don't see how logically see he could've made the universe. If there was no time to make it. I mean if there was no such thing as time, God could not cause any ''change'' and could not change anything let alone it's mind to decide to create the universe, as there was no time to do so.

[Blasveck]

"God", in the typical sense, is a being outside of space and time, and he/she/it doesn't need "space".

The universe hasn't existed forever anyways.

We can assume that time wasn't really a thing before the space-time that the universe is was.

And?

God isn't subject to time either.

There isn't a "past", "present", or "future" for God.

There simply "is"

[Neo Rome Republic]

We can assume that time wasn't really a thing before the space-time that the universe is was.

And?

God isn't subject to time either.

There isn't a "past", "present", or "future" for God.

There simply "is"

If you have no evidence to back up your claim and you're giving special exemption to something, you are special pleading which is fallacious reasoning. Exactly why I don't consider people saying ''it's God'' or ''it's magic'' an acceptable answer. Unless you have evidence that shows this exemption to be possible.

[Blasveck]

And?

God isn't subject to time either.

There isn't a "past", "present", or "future" for God.

There simply "is"

If you have no evidence to back up your claim and you're giving special exemption to something, you are special pleading which is fallacious reasoning. Exactly why I don't consider people saying ''it's God'' or ''it's magic'' an acceptable answer. Unless you have evidence that shows this exemption to be possible.

You use special pleading a lot.

And you use it wrong.

It is only special pleading when a claim is PROVEN to be FALSE, and THEN I apply special conditions.

Which you haven't been able to do.

[Neo Rome Republic]

If you have no evidence to back up your claim and you're giving special exemption to something, you are special pleading which is fallacious reasoning. Exactly why I don't consider people saying ''it's God'' or ''it's magic'' an acceptable answer. Unless you have evidence that shows this exemption to be possible.

You use special pleading a lot.

And you use it wrong.

It is only special pleading when a claim is PROVEN to be FALSE, and THEN I apply special conditions.

Which you haven't been able to do.

HOW??? The eternal universe was a HYPOTHETICAL. I've been using logic to prove my point with God and time. So saying ''it's magic'' is an acceptable answer in that case, vampires are real as biology doesn't apply to them because they are ''supernatural''.

[Blasveck]

You use special pleading a lot.

And you use it wrong.

It is only special pleading when a claim is PROVEN to be FALSE, and THEN I apply special conditions.

Which you haven't been able to do.

HOW??? The eternal universe was a HYPOTHETICAL. I've been using logic to prove my point. So saying ''it's magic'' is an acceptable answer in that case, vampires are real as biology doesn't apply to them because they are ''supernatural''.

We can PROVE that vampires DON'T exist.

We cannot nor can we PROVE that God DOESN'T exist.

[Cameroi]

i believe in a god who wants us to be able to be happy. i believe in a god who does not want us to make our world be a place that makes us unhappy.

i do not believe in a god who is infallable. i do not believe in a god who values being worshiped more highly then our reflection of its creativity.

i do not believe in a god who has to have created us, the universe or anything, in order to exist.

just a big friendly blob of invisible energy, who wants us all to be able to be happy.

i do not believe there is a "god of evil" for it to be at war with. nor for there to be any such conflict.

there might or might not even be, one big godthing, that is bigger then everything else.

but there are nonphysical things, and i do not believe not subscribing to a hierarchy makes any of them evil.

evil is the causing of harm. morality is the avoidance of doing so.

that is my 'religion'. it is not about personalities.

species spirits can be good friends and teachers too.

[Neo Rome Republic]

HOW??? The eternal universe was a HYPOTHETICAL. I've been using logic to prove my point. So saying ''it's magic'' is an acceptable answer in that case, vampires are real as biology doesn't apply to them because they are ''supernatural''.

We can PROVE that vampires DON'T exist.

We cannot nor can we PROVE that God DOESN'T exist.

Sure we could, if the universe were eternal. Also, if the universe could not have a cause as God logically, I'd say that disproves him.

[Blasveck]

We can PROVE that vampires DON'T exist.

We cannot nor can we PROVE that God DOESN'T exist.

Sure we could, if the universe were eternal. Also, if the universe could not have a cause as God logically, I'd say that disproves him.

Except the universe isn't eternal.

Lets talk about the real world here, not hypotheticals.

Logically, you don't know whether or not a God caused the universe to exist, whether or not it was the Christian God or the Deist God.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Sure we could, if the universe were eternal. Also, if the universe could not have a cause as God logically, I'd say that disproves him.

Except the universe isn't eternal.

Lets talk about the real world here, not hypotheticals.

Logically, you don't know whether or not a God caused the universe to exist, whether or not it was the Christian God or the Deist God.

I know it wasn't the Christian God, because the Bible is wrong. Also, an intelligent designer is logically improbable if not impossible.

[Blasveck]

Except the universe isn't eternal.

Lets talk about the real world here, not hypotheticals.

Logically, you don't know whether or not a God caused the universe to exist, whether or not it was the Christian God or the Deist God.

I know it wasn't the Christian God, because the Bible is wrong. Also, an intelligent designer is logically improbable if not impossible.

1. The Bible was written by people. So of course it will be wrong/inconsistent/etc.
2. How is an intelligent designer logically improbable?

(I'm an agnostic, to clarify)

[Cameroi]

HOW??? The eternal universe was a HYPOTHETICAL. I've been using logic to prove my point. So saying ''it's magic'' is an acceptable answer in that case, vampires are real as biology doesn't apply to them because they are ''supernatural''.

We can PROVE that vampires DON'T exist.

We cannot nor can we PROVE that God DOESN'T exist.

no. you cannot "prove" nor disprove, the existence of ANY thing.
it would be pointless to do so if you could.

this is just an excuse to make something that people can make something to make each other unhappy by arguing over
out of something intended to stop people from making ways to make each other unhappy.

[Blasveck]

We can PROVE that vampires DON'T exist.

We cannot nor can we PROVE that God DOESN'T exist.

no. you cannot "prove" nor disprove, the existence of ANY thing.
it would be pointless to do so if you could.

this is just an excuse to make something that people can make something to make each other unhappy by arguing over
out of something intended to stop people from making ways to make each other unhappy.

It sounds like you're arguing for solipsism.

This isn't the thread for that.

[Neo Rome Republic]

I know it wasn't the Christian God, because the Bible is wrong. Also, an intelligent designer is logically improbable if not impossible.

1. The Bible was written by people. So of course it will be wrong/inconsistent/etc.
2. How is an intelligent designer logically improbable?

(I'm an agnostic, to clarify)

An intelligent timeless being could not create the universe because, he could not do anything, as their would be no time to do it. He could not ''change'' anything, let alone his own mind.

[Blasveck]

1. The Bible was written by people. So of course it will be wrong/inconsistent/etc.
2. How is an intelligent designer logically improbable?

(I'm an agnostic, to clarify)

An intelligent timeless being could not create the universe because, he could not do anything, as their would be no time to do it. He could not ''change'' anything, let alone his own mind.

As I've said before, a God isn't subject to time and space.
It isn't affected by it. It doesn't interact with it.

And why could he not change anything?

[Neo Rome Republic]

An intelligent timeless being could not create the universe because, he could not do anything, as their would be no time to do it. He could not ''change'' anything, let alone his own mind.

As I've said before, a God isn't subject to time and space.
It isn't affected by it. It doesn't interact with it.

And why would he not change anything?

He would have no ''time'' to do it. If God has no time he can't do anything. He doesn't have things like cause and effect, or change. Which is why it makes no logical sense.

[Blasveck]

As I've said before, a God isn't subject to time and space.
It isn't affected by it. It doesn't interact with it.

And why would he not change anything?

He would have no ''time'' to do it. If God has no time he can't do anything. He doesn't have things like cause and effect, or change. Which is why it makes no logical sense.

For the last time.

God doesn't need "time" to do it. He isn't subject to it.

You have to remember, this is an infinite being that we're talking about.

[Cameroi]

no. you cannot "prove" nor disprove, the existence of ANY thing.
it would be pointless to do so if you could.

this is just an excuse to make something that people can make something to make each other unhappy by arguing over
out of something intended to stop people from making ways to make each other unhappy.

It sounds like you're arguing for solipsism.

This isn't the thread for that.

just pointing out the nonsense of arguing over what cannot be known.
it is not something the world is made a better place by doing so.
this is part and parsel of how organized beliefs are misoginistic, and that this in turn, has nothing to do, with what they claim to describe.
and yes those are my views on religious beliefs, which the last time i checked, is still the topic of this thread.

[Blasveck]

It sounds like you're arguing for solipsism.

This isn't the thread for that.

just pointing out the nonsense of arguing over what cannot be known.
it is not something the world is made a better place by doing so.
this is part and parsel of how organized beliefs are misoginistic, and that this in turn, has nothing to do, with what they claim to describe.
and yes those are my views on religious beliefs, which the last time i checked, is still the topic of this thread.

It is. Your previous post however, sounded like an argument for solipsism.

My mistake, I guess.