Explain Your Religious Views or Lack Thereof

[Seperates]

You're just going to ignore my wind evidence?

I don't know if you've noticed, but ignoring evidence is kinda what he does.

And he doesn't fucking understand Plato.

[Mkuki]

What you THINK is wind is just God farting, obviously.

Also: Rain is God peeing, asteroids are the poop, hurricanes are the water going down God's toilet bowl, thunder is God bowling, lightning is his electrical problems, and the sun is his light which he switches off at night. Now, if we assume this, we can extrapolate that the Earth which we live in is actually essentially a giant sewer where all God's waste products go, and we are little rats.
Now it all makes sense!

He should really get a better electrician.

[Humdan]

Lack thereof.

[O5vx]

When you refer to your body you say, "this is my body". Which suggest that your body is completely different from who you are. We use the same logic to compare something like a hat, a cat, a dog and many other possessive non. So to suggest that a body exist without soul, is to suggest quite the contrary to your argument.

[Mavorpen]

When you refer to your body you say, "this is my body". Which suggest that your body is completely different from who you are.

No it doesn't. How else would you structure the language in such a way as to show possession?

[Genivaria]

When you refer to your body you say, "this is my body". Which suggest that your body is completely different from who you are. We use the same logic to compare something like a hat, a cat, a dog and many other possessive non. So to suggest that a body exist without soul, is to suggest quite the contrary to your argument.

Is that seriously your argument? A bit of word play? Really?
There is no evidence to suggest the existence of a 'soul'. There is however good evidence that the brain is what determines the personality, memory, and 'who they are'. Things that are normally associated with the 'soul'.

[The Silence of Night]

When you refer to your body you say, "this is my body". Which suggest that your body is completely different from who you are. We use the same logic to compare something like a hat, a cat, a dog and many other possessive non. So to suggest that a body exist without soul, is to suggest quite the contrary to your argument.

First off, the way people say things does in no way, shape or form, define is scientifically or factually.
Secondly, Most religious people use the possessive on their "souls" (Which have not yet been proven to exist) So by that logic, should are souls exist, they are not us either.

[O5vx]

My last and final argument. And there is actually more than one reason that we have this intuitive sense of the transcendent nature of our identity as humans. We also understand this based on the fact that we do NOT lose our identity over time. Let’s do another exercise together. Imagine that you own a beautiful 1972 Volkswagen Bug (just like mine). It is in mint condition and perfect in every way. No dings, no damage; a true collector’s item. Now imagine that your next door neighbor also owns a 1972 VW Bug. What a coincidence. The only difference between the two is that his Bug is a mess. Old and damaged, it doesn’t run and looks like a complete piece of junk. One day as you look out your window, you notice that the front quarter panel on YOUR Bug looks just like the old front quarter panel that used to be on your neighbors Bug! And sure enough, his Bug now has a quarter panel that looks just like yours! It appears as though the panels have been exchanged, one for the other! Now suspend logic a little bit here and imagine that over the next years, each and every day, more and more of your Bug was seen on your neighbor’s Bug, cleanly exchanged for parts from YOUR vehicle! In fact, at the end of the year, the Bug sitting on YOUR driveway looks suspiciously like your NEIGHBOR’S Bug. All the parts have been exchanged.

OK, now let me ask you a question: that Bug that is now sitting in your driveway. Whose Bug is it? Is it yours? Or is it your neighbor’s? I think we would agree that the Bug sitting in your driveway, even though it is on your property, is actually the Bug that used to belong to your neighbor! So, what’s the point of all this? Simply this: physical things are dependent on their parts for their identity. When the parts get exchanged, their identity changes as well. At some point, that Bug was no longer your Bug. Even when only ONE part had been replaced, you would not have been happy about it. You would have to admit that a pristine 1974 Bug with one crummy quarter panel was NOT your Bug!

But while physical things are dependent on their parts for their identity, Souls are NOT. Look at yourself in the mirror. Do you have the same body today that you had ten years ago? No. Each and every cell in your body has been renewed and replaced. Some would argue that brain cells are NOT renewed, but that ignores what is happening at the cellular level WITHIN each cell. The replacement process is taking place at that level, until whatever brain cells you were born with have nothing in common with what you now have. So let’s be very strict about this. While you have a very different body than you had years ago, YOU are still YOU! So clearly YOU cannot be described as something that is purely physical, because physical things that have different PARTS have a different identity.

[Grave_n_idle]

Philosophically, my evidence is sufficient enough to back up my claim.

Ah, philosophically?

Sure!

That's where I got confused - I thought you were arguing that the soul was REAL.

[Mkuki]

When you refer to your body you say, "this is my body". Which suggest that your body is completely different from who you are. We use the same logic to compare something like a hat, a cat, a dog and many other possessive non. So to suggest that a body exist without soul, is to suggest quite the contrary to your argument.

Is that seriously your argument? A bit of word play? Really?
There is no evidence to suggest the existence of a 'soul'. There is however good evidence that the brain is what determines the personality, memory, and 'who they are'. Things that are normally associated with the 'soul'.

If anything your brain functions are your soul. In the figurative sense.

[Mavorpen]

The replacement process is taking place at that level, until whatever brain cells you were born with have nothing in common with what you now have.

Have you heard of DNA?

[Grave_n_idle]

My last and final argument. And there is actually more than one reason that we have this intuitive sense of the transcendent nature of our identity as humans. We also understand this based on the fact that we do NOT lose our identity over time. Let’s do another exercise together. Imagine that you own a beautiful 1972 Volkswagen Bug (just like mine). It is in mint condition and perfect in every way. No dings, no damage; a true collector’s item. Now imagine that your next door neighbor also owns a 1972 VW Bug. What a coincidence. The only difference between the two is that his Bug is a mess. Old and damaged, it doesn’t run and looks like a complete piece of junk. One day as you look out your window, you notice that the front quarter panel on YOUR Bug looks just like the old front quarter panel that used to be on your neighbors Bug! And sure enough, his Bug now has a quarter panel that looks just like yours! It appears as though the panels have been exchanged, one for the other! Now suspend logic a little bit here and imagine that over the next years, each and every day, more and more of your Bug was seen on your neighbor’s Bug, cleanly exchanged for parts from YOUR vehicle! In fact, at the end of the year, the Bug sitting on YOUR driveway looks suspiciously like your NEIGHBOR’S Bug. All the parts have been exchanged.

OK, now let me ask you a question: that Bug that is now sitting in your driveway. Whose Bug is it? Is it yours? Or is it your neighbor’s? I think we would agree that the Bug sitting in your driveway, even though it is on your property, is actually the Bug that used to belong to your neighbor! So, what’s the point of all this? Simply this: physical things are dependent on their parts for their identity. When the parts get exchanged, their identity changes as well. At some point, that Bug was no longer your Bug. Even when only ONE part had been replaced, you would not have been happy about it. You would have to admit that a pristine 1974 Bug with one crummy quarter panel was NOT your Bug!

But while physical things are dependent on their parts for their identity, Souls are NOT. Look at yourself in the mirror. Do you have the same body today that you had ten years ago? No. Each and every cell in your body has been renewed and replaced. Some would argue that brain cells are NOT renewed, but that ignores what is happening at the cellular level WITHIN each cell. The replacement process is taking place at that level, until whatever brain cells you were born with have nothing in common with what you now have. So let’s be very strict about this. While you have a very different body than you had years ago, YOU are still YOU! So clearly YOU cannot be described as something that is purely physical, because physical things that have different PARTS have a different identity.

What you're describing is actually an artifact of memory:

http://human-memory.net/

You are you because you remember being you before.

[The Silence of Night]

My last and final argument. And there is actually more than one reason that we have this intuitive sense of the transcendent nature of our identity as humans. We also understand this based on the fact that we do NOT lose our identity over time. Let’s do another exercise together. Imagine that you own a beautiful 1972 Volkswagen Bug (just like mine). It is in mint condition and perfect in every way. No dings, no damage; a true collector’s item. Now imagine that your next door neighbor also owns a 1972 VW Bug. What a coincidence. The only difference between the two is that his Bug is a mess. Old and damaged, it doesn’t run and looks like a complete piece of junk. One day as you look out your window, you notice that the front quarter panel on YOUR Bug looks just like the old front quarter panel that used to be on your neighbors Bug! And sure enough, his Bug now has a quarter panel that looks just like yours! It appears as though the panels have been exchanged, one for the other! Now suspend logic a little bit here and imagine that over the next years, each and every day, more and more of your Bug was seen on your neighbor’s Bug, cleanly exchanged for parts from YOUR vehicle! In fact, at the end of the year, the Bug sitting on YOUR driveway looks suspiciously like your NEIGHBOR’S Bug. All the parts have been exchanged.

OK, now let me ask you a question: that Bug that is now sitting in your driveway. Whose Bug is it? Is it yours? Or is it your neighbor’s? I think we would agree that the Bug sitting in your driveway, even though it is on your property, is actually the Bug that used to belong to your neighbor! So, what’s the point of all this? Simply this: physical things are dependent on their parts for their identity. When the parts get exchanged, their identity changes as well. At some point, that Bug was no longer your Bug. Even when only ONE part had been replaced, you would not have been happy about it. You would have to admit that a pristine 1974 Bug with one crummy quarter panel was NOT your Bug!

But while physical things are dependent on their parts for their identity, Souls are NOT. Look at yourself in the mirror. Do you have the same body today that you had ten years ago? No. Each and every cell in your body has been renewed and replaced. Some would argue that brain cells are NOT renewed, but that ignores what is happening at the cellular level WITHIN each cell. The replacement process is taking place at that level, until whatever brain cells you were born with have nothing in common with what you now have. So let’s be very strict about this. While you have a very different body than you had years ago, YOU are still YOU! So clearly YOU cannot be described as something that is purely physical, because physical things that have different PARTS have a different identity.

Really? The boat thing? The Thought experiment that was originally set up as a fun little paradox? I can tell you that your argument is false, seeing as peoples temperaments and such change almost yearly, since I guarantee that my thought processes are completely different now than a year ago.

[Tlaceceyaya]

My last and final argument. And there is actually more than one reason that we have this intuitive sense of the transcendent nature of our identity as humans. We also understand this based on the fact that we do NOT lose our identity over time. Let’s do another exercise together. Imagine that you own a beautiful 1972 Volkswagen Bug (just like mine). It is in mint condition and perfect in every way. No dings, no damage; a true collector’s item. Now imagine that your next door neighbor also owns a 1972 VW Bug. What a coincidence. The only difference between the two is that his Bug is a mess. Old and damaged, it doesn’t run and looks like a complete piece of junk. One day as you look out your window, you notice that the front quarter panel on YOUR Bug looks just like the old front quarter panel that used to be on your neighbors Bug! And sure enough, his Bug now has a quarter panel that looks just like yours! It appears as though the panels have been exchanged, one for the other! Now suspend logic a little bit here and imagine that over the next years, each and every day, more and more of your Bug was seen on your neighbor’s Bug, cleanly exchanged for parts from YOUR vehicle! In fact, at the end of the year, the Bug sitting on YOUR driveway looks suspiciously like your NEIGHBOR’S Bug. All the parts have been exchanged.

OK, now let me ask you a question: that Bug that is now sitting in your driveway. Whose Bug is it? Is it yours? Or is it your neighbor’s? I think we would agree that the Bug sitting in your driveway, even though it is on your property, is actually the Bug that used to belong to your neighbor! So, what’s the point of all this? Simply this: physical things are dependent on their parts for their identity. When the parts get exchanged, their identity changes as well. At some point, that Bug was no longer your Bug. Even when only ONE part had been replaced, you would not have been happy about it. You would have to admit that a pristine 1974 Bug with one crummy quarter panel was NOT your Bug!

But while physical things are dependent on their parts for their identity, Souls are NOT. Look at yourself in the mirror. Do you have the same body today that you had ten years ago? No. Each and every cell in your body has been renewed and replaced. Some would argue that brain cells are NOT renewed, but that ignores what is happening at the cellular level WITHIN each cell. The replacement process is taking place at that level, until whatever brain cells you were born with have nothing in common with what you now have. So let’s be very strict about this. While you have a very different body than you had years ago, YOU are still YOU! So clearly YOU cannot be described as something that is purely physical, because physical things that have different PARTS have a different identity.

"You" are the relationship between the brain cells, not the cells themselves.
Similar to how you can put a file onto another computer without having to replace the other computer's hard drive with the first's.

[Mavorpen]

Really? The boat thing? The Thought experiment that was originally set up as a fun little paradox? I can tell you that your argument is false, seeing as peoples temperaments and such change almost yearly, since I guarantee that my thought processes are completely different now than a year ago.

The very fact that he makes the claim that your brain cells aren't in any shape or form similar to what they were years ago is enough to call bullshit on his post. Seriously, he's evidently never heard of DNA.

[The Silence of Night]

Really? The boat thing? The Thought experiment that was originally set up as a fun little paradox? I can tell you that your argument is false, seeing as peoples temperaments and such change almost yearly, since I guarantee that my thought processes are completely different now than a year ago.

The very fact that he makes the claim that your brain cells aren't in any shape or form similar to what they were years ago is enough to call bullshit on his post. Seriously, he's evidently never heard of DNA.

Who needs DNA when you have YAWEH, amirite?

[Pandeeria]

What's happening in this little thread?

[Sibirsky]

I'm an atheist because there is no rational evidence for the existence for a deity.

This.

[O5vx]

Really? The boat thing? The Thought experiment that was originally set up as a fun little paradox? I can tell you that your argument is false, seeing as peoples temperaments and such change almost yearly, since I guarantee that my thought processes are completely different now than a year ago.

The very fact that he makes the claim that your brain cells aren't in any shape or form similar to what they were years ago is enough to call bullshit on his post. Seriously, he's evidently never heard of DNA.

DNA do not change over time.

[Mavorpen]

The very fact that he makes the claim that your brain cells aren't in any shape or form similar to what they were years ago is enough to call bullshit on his post. Seriously, he's evidently never heard of DNA.

DNA do not change over time.

Yes. Which means you were...say it with us...wrong.

Unless you want to argue that the DNA being the same isn't a common trait among brain cells you were born with and those now.

[The Silence of Night]

The very fact that he makes the claim that your brain cells aren't in any shape or form similar to what they were years ago is enough to call bullshit on his post. Seriously, he's evidently never heard of DNA.

DNA do not change over time.

So, DNA=Your soul?

[Pandeeria]

DNA do not change over time.

So, DNA=Your soul?

No, not really. There is no such thing as a soul.

[O5vx]

The very fact that he makes the claim that your brain cells aren't in any shape or form similar to what they were years ago is enough to call bullshit on his post. Seriously, he's evidently never heard of DNA.

Who needs DNA when you have YAWEH, amirite?

Can you measure your thoughts, your emotions, your feelings?

[Grave_n_idle]

Who needs DNA when you have YAWEH, amirite?

Can you measure your thoughts, your emotions, your feelings?

Yes.

[The Silence of Night]

So, DNA=Your soul?

No, not really. There is no such thing as a soul.

I know that, I'm trying to make a point on the silliness of his argument.