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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:00 pm

O5vx wrote:You see, I'm using your own argument to destroy your claims.


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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:00 pm

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Terran Faction wrote:I don't like to tell my religious beliefs but I am an evolutionary creationist.

Do I believe in a god? Yes, but a "creator or heavenly engineer" would be the correct term. Do I know this god exists? I don't know, there is no evidence of that. It's a theory. Why do I choose to believe in this god? Because I am convinced by the idea of intelligent design and evolution does play a role in it.

Evolution is such a fascinating process or perfecting a species. Modern Humans or H.Sapiens are much more evolved and well-built than our previous ancestors. Our species was put to the test to survive which is why I believed the Dinosaurs could have evolved into intelligent reptilians but never got the chance because of their extinction. The mammals were better off as rulers of the Earth, but our genus Homo is the ultimate successor on our own planet.

But we are only on Earth, so far. So what about other possible worlds with life? It is possible the universe is occupied by multiple heavenly creators and that Earth has been engineered by one of them. The way the universe works is so mathematical, it's the reason why I choose to believe that there is superior intelligence out there. I am advocating worship and storytelling. It's why I left Christianity, but that doesn't mean I will refuse the idea of a god.

So basically, Evolution is an experimental process of creating life by whatever creator may or may not be occupying the very universe. Where did this creator come from? We don't know and our three-dimensional minds will not be able to comprehend what was before the Big Bang or the existence of a god. It goes both ways in the end.

I think I will follow this idea. It makes a lot of wonderful sense. It is plausible, and very well thought out.

It adds a completely unfounded claim into something which is already greatly understood.
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Postby The Silence of Night » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:00 pm

O5vx wrote:You see, I'm using your own argument to destroy your claims.

Wait, when did this happen? Because I saw was your lack of supporting evidence in the face of our pile of evidence. Must have fallen asleep.
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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:00 pm

O5vx wrote:You see, I'm using your own argument to destroy your claims.

The only thing you're destroying is your own credibility.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:01 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
O5vx wrote:You see, I'm using your own argument to destroy your claims.

The only thing you're destroying is your own credibility.


Very miraculously, too. He must be Jesus. :p
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Postby O5vx » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:05 pm

Philosophically, my evidence is sufficient enough to back up my claim. Trying to measure something that isn't physical with science is rubbish.

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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:06 pm

O5vx wrote:Philosophically, my evidence is sufficient enough to back up my claim. Trying to measure something that isn't physical with science is rubbish.


It's funny because even reputable theists say this and it's still bullshit.

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:07 pm

O5vx wrote:Philosophically, my evidence is sufficient enough to back up my claim.

"I'm right because I say so."

Brilliant.
O5vx wrote:Trying to measure something that isn't physical with science is rubbish.

Really? We measure energy just fine.
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Postby New Acardia » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:13 pm

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Postby The Silence of Night » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:14 pm

O5vx wrote:Philosophically, my evidence is sufficient enough to back up my claim. Trying to measure something that isn't physical with science is rubbish.

You do understand that air is a physical thing, right? and that wind is pretty much just the movement of atmospheric pressures? (If I understand Wind correctly, and I believe I do) The study of the wind is a physical science, and we do study non physical things, such as energy, as already said.
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Your test scores indicate that you are an open-minded ultra-progressive; this is the political profile one might associate with a journalist. It appears that you are skeptical towards religion, and have a balanced attitude towards humanity in general.

Your attitudes towards economics appear neither committedly capitalist nor socialist, and combined with your social attitudes this creates the picture of someone who would generally be described as a liberal.

To round out the picture you appear to be, political preference aside, a sensible realistic egalitarian with several strong convictions.

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:16 pm

The Silence of Night wrote:You do understand that air is a physical thing, right? and that wind is pretty much just the movement of atmospheric pressures? (If I understand Wind correctly, and I believe I do)

Basically, yes. Wind is the product of the rotation of the earth and the heat of the sun which creates areas of low and high pressure. Air travels from the areas of high pressure to areas of low pressure.
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Postby Ermiopa » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:19 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
O5vx wrote:Philosophically, my evidence is sufficient enough to back up my claim. Trying to measure something that isn't physical with science is rubbish.


It's funny because even reputable theists say this and it's still bullshit.

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:24 pm

Ermiopa wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
It's funny because even reputable theists say this and it's still bullshit.

COME AT ME GOD.

The Rich port was struck by a bolt of lightning 5 seconds later.

A moment of silence please.


HEY!!! I used Jesus in a joke where is my lightning bolt...... OH SHIT!!!
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Postby Seperates » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:26 pm

O5vx wrote:Philosophically, my evidence is sufficient enough to back up my claim. Trying to measure something that isn't physical with science is rubbish.

So you think the wind isn't physical?

As well, if you can't measure it, why bother trying to prove it?
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:27 pm

Seperates wrote:
O5vx wrote:Philosophically, my evidence is sufficient enough to back up my claim. Trying to measure something that isn't physical with science is rubbish.

So you think the wind isn't physical?

What you THINK is wind is just God farting, obviously.
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Postby O5vx » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:28 pm

Okay let me give you another example. If I were to tell you to close your eyes and imagine that you are building the most wonderful car in the word, the cost of building this car is not limited. Later I now ask you to seat down with an artist to describe to her what you saw, would you be able to do that? I'm sure many of you will be able to describe that car so perfectly. In this argument, I can now say that the mind, which does not exist scientifically is at work here because you did not see any image that your brain can then process to give the artist the picture that you just vividly described.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:29 pm

O5vx wrote:I can now say that the mind, which does not exist scientifically

Says who?
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Seperates » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:29 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Seperates wrote:So you think the wind isn't physical?

What you THINK is wind is just God farting, obviously.

No. That's too easy.

It's obviously the concerto of souls screaming in hell. Can't you hear them singing?

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Postby Seperates » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:30 pm

O5vx wrote:Okay let me give you another example. If I were to tell you to close your eyes and imagine that you are building the most wonderful car in the word, the cost of building this car is not limited. Later I now ask you to seat down with an artist to describe to her what you saw, would you be able to do that? I'm sure many of you will be able to describe that car so perfectly. In this argument, I can now say that the mind, which does not exist scientifically is at work here because you did not see any image that your brain can then process to give the artist the picture that you just vividly described.

Define 'wonderful'.

Also, you don't get Plato, do you?

As well, the mind does exist scientifically. It is also described as a product of the brain. You alter the brain you alter the mind.
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Postby The Silence of Night » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:31 pm

O5vx wrote:I can now say that the mind, which does not exist scientifically

I must protest. It does exist scientifically.
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Your test scores indicate that you are an open-minded ultra-progressive; this is the political profile one might associate with a journalist. It appears that you are skeptical towards religion, and have a balanced attitude towards humanity in general.

Your attitudes towards economics appear neither committedly capitalist nor socialist, and combined with your social attitudes this creates the picture of someone who would generally be described as a liberal.

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Postby Mkuki » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:33 pm

O5vx wrote:Okay let me give you another example. If I were to tell you to close your eyes and imagine that you are building the most wonderful car in the word, the cost of building this car is not limited. Later I now ask you to seat down with an artist to describe to her what you saw, would you be able to do that? I'm sure many of you will be able to describe that car so perfectly. In this argument, I can now say that the mind, which does not exist scientifically is at work here because you did not see any image that your brain can then process to give the artist the picture that you just vividly described.

You're just going to ignore my wind evidence?
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Postby Ermiopa » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:34 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Seperates wrote:So you think the wind isn't physical?

What you THINK is wind is just God farting, obviously.

Also: Rain is God peeing, asteroids are the poop, hurricanes are the water going down God's toilet bowl, thunder is God bowling, lightning is his electrical problems, and the sun is his light which he switches off at night. Now, if we assume this, we can extrapolate that the Earth which we live in is actually essentially a giant sewer where all God's waste products go, and we are little rats.
Now it all makes sense!

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Postby The Silence of Night » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:35 pm

Mkuki wrote:
O5vx wrote:Okay let me give you another example. If I were to tell you to close your eyes and imagine that you are building the most wonderful car in the word, the cost of building this car is not limited. Later I now ask you to seat down with an artist to describe to her what you saw, would you be able to do that? I'm sure many of you will be able to describe that car so perfectly. In this argument, I can now say that the mind, which does not exist scientifically is at work here because you did not see any image that your brain can then process to give the artist the picture that you just vividly described.

You're just going to ignore my wind evidence?

I don't know if you've noticed, but ignoring evidence is kinda what he does.
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Your test scores indicate that you are an open-minded ultra-progressive; this is the political profile one might associate with a journalist. It appears that you are skeptical towards religion, and have a balanced attitude towards humanity in general.

Your attitudes towards economics appear neither committedly capitalist nor socialist, and combined with your social attitudes this creates the picture of someone who would generally be described as a liberal.

To round out the picture you appear to be, political preference aside, a sensible realistic egalitarian with several strong convictions.

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:35 pm

Ermiopa wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:What you THINK is wind is just God farting, obviously.

Also: Rain is God peeing, asteroids are the poop, hurricanes are the water going down God's toilet bowl, thunder is God bowling, lightning is his electrical problems, and the sun is his light which he switches off at night. Now, if we assume this, we can extrapolate that the Earth which we live in is actually essentially a giant sewer where all God's waste products go, and we are little rats.
Now it all makes sense!

It's how we pay for our sins.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:35 pm

Mkuki wrote:
O5vx wrote:Okay let me give you another example. If I were to tell you to close your eyes and imagine that you are building the most wonderful car in the word, the cost of building this car is not limited. Later I now ask you to seat down with an artist to describe to her what you saw, would you be able to do that? I'm sure many of you will be able to describe that car so perfectly. In this argument, I can now say that the mind, which does not exist scientifically is at work here because you did not see any image that your brain can then process to give the artist the picture that you just vividly described.

You're just going to ignore my wind evidence?


Don't feel bad. Theists are just allergic to evidence, that happens to contradict their worldview.
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