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Postby Avenio » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:32 pm

Seperates wrote:It would be as incorrect as saying that Zeus and Odin are 'similar'. Now, Jupiter and Zeus is a better comparison... because as we all know... when Rome conquered Greece... Greece conquered Rome.


Don't tell the Romans that. :p

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Postby Seitonjin » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:32 pm

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Seitonjin wrote:It certainly does not work in most cases as per exact calculations. And afterlife already? I hate talking about that. And remembber Buddhism as with other Dharmic faiths believe in being reborn?

Step outside the western thought of the afterlife.

Yes, assume I know nothing of all Eastern theology. How condescending.

Prove rebirth balances karma.

When did that assumption appear... Wait. Oh okay nevermind.

Anyways. I like to look at rebirt this way, assume people are free from any predestination as per Abrahamic religions as well as Hinduism (I may be incorrect about Hinduism though). Now by the constant rebirth we make flub ups and other such mistakes or bad deeds which in turn should (key word) affect us the next instance. But it doesn't. It affects us later along the cycle of rebirth.

However, as you already know that due to this sense of freedom from being destined to do such and such the only way (presumably) things happen is because it either a) previous deeds b) you did it yourself c) tough luck. So instead of thinking karma is linear and absolute, it is a bit random and caused by own personal actions. The best way to hypothesize what will happen is by doing said action the could, well asuming this happens on a day to day basis, lead you to that reaction.

In all intents and purposes, waddling around and figuring how it works is a bit pointless. After all, a better way to look at things is by figuring out why one thing happens without divine intervention. Because even then, karma can be interpreted as divine intervention in action.
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Postby Riiser-Larsen » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:33 pm

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Blasveck wrote:Can we report Xi for this?


While its definitely wrong, and inflammatory, I think a mod would say its not purposely inflammatory. [/notamod

But I don't think it could hurt to ask.


There is a point though where someone is actually kind of harming the community even if they're not trying to.
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Postby Shaggai » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:33 pm

Vareiln wrote:
Shaggai wrote:The Norse pantheon are just as three-dimensional. And besides, when Prometheus steals fire, Zeus just ties him to a rock and has an eagle eat his liver. When Loki killed Baldur, he got tied to a rock by his sons entrails and had a snake wrapped around the roots of the World-Tree dripping poison in his eyes for all eternity. Which is a more imaginative punishment?

Besides, Norse mythology has cooler monsters and creatures.

Irish mythology is good at that too, as is Egyptian. But yeah, Norse mythology is what gave us Elves and the cool kins of dragons. So hell yeah.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:33 pm

Seperates wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
I just scream obscenities into the air.
A friend of mine was raped and got an abortion. It was in no way "good" for her. She suffered from stress, paranoia, and had nightmares.

Whomever says rape is good in any context needs to go and *CENSORED FOR EXPLICT CONTENT*

At least we can agree on that.


Indeed.

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Postby Melungea » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:33 pm

I was raised Baptist Christian, but later became agnostic.

My faith ended when I began to study the major religions objectively. I realized they all had the same principles, just written in a different way. Then I realized these books were written by ordinary men who were attempting to explain and justify their existences. It was all speculation peppered with the occasional hallucination. They knew as much about God then as we know now. Nothing.

It would be incredibly ignorant to say that I know for a certainty there is no God. How could I know for sure? We don't know the mysteries of the universe and its origins. We don't know why we have a consciousness and are self-aware. I believe there is a higher power, but I don't know anything about it. It is impossible to know what it is, what it wants, what it does. I call it God because I don't know what else to call it. I sense it when I am in nature. When I see the order and balance of every living thing and can identify its purpose, I find it hard to believe that it is all the result of a chance explosion.

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Postby The Grey Wolf » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:34 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
:hug:

A woman I'm very close to was raped by her mother. I can only imagine what being raped as a kid is like, but I can safely say its not something I'd wish on my worst enemy, if I had one.


Sweet Jeus people.

This shouldn't happen. Ever.


I suggest firing squad.

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Postby Southeastern Xiatao » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:35 pm

Ghosts, and Spirits- I do believe in the paranormal. I think anyone who is a ghost, is still on this Earth for a purpose. For example if a woman died when her children were still young, and never saw them grow up into adults then she has reason to remain the Earth for. Another example is a ghost of a man who died before his wife. He waits haunts a house he is in until his wife eventually dies in a old folks home, and goes to Heaven with his wife. That too is another example to still be on Earth for. Since he wanted to be with his wife after she dies.


Evolution- I in fact do believe in the theory of evolution, perhaps God made that happen. And I also believe all human beings had originated from Africa and then eventually migrated across the world and then started building the first civilizations.

Soul- I do not sadly understand the purpose of one's soul. But I do think it is important in the process of rebirth into another living thing or nonliving thing.

War- To me I am totally against all kind of wars. War never solves anything, but yet it still happens and will always happen. Now war is just something that is considered a bad thing depending on the outcome. United States when it won the war against Britain in 1770's, it outcome was good since it became a new country, even though many soldiers died, they were honored as heroes.
Civil wars to me their outcome is very bad, since families are split apart after the war. Brother vs Brother, Sister vs Sister, Cousin vs Cousin, Parents vs Children. In the book I read called The Sniper taken place back in the Irish Civil War, the ending is sad and shocking since the main character finds out the person he shot and killed was his brother.
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Postby Seitonjin » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:36 pm

Seperates wrote:
Seitonjin wrote:That's an interesting way to look at it.

I never denied their differences, to say something is is similar is to accept that there are differences.

It is to turn the phrase around. They share so few similarities it is astonishing that we even bother on focusing on them, other than as a theological masturbation of "Oh you believe in a singular all-powerful deity, well so do I, right oh, lets show those other wankers what for." Again, the schools of thought are what should be important when talking about the differences in religion, and these schools are radically different, even when they are all the liberal groups of their respective religions.

It would be as incorrect as saying that Zeus and Odin are 'similar'. Now, Jupiter and Zeus is a better comparison... because as we all know... when Rome conquered Greece... Greece conquered Rome.

Are you John Green or some one I should know?

Ignore that bit if it freaked you out.

Ah. Okay. I understand it more now, thanks.
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Postby Blasveck » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:36 pm

Xiatao, can you just stop before you say things like "Genocide is okay"?
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Postby Seitonjin » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:38 pm

Blasveck wrote:Xiatao, can you just stop before you say things like "Genocide is okay"?

I just put him on FOE list for now.
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:39 pm

Southeastern Xiatao wrote:-bullshit snip-


You just fucking said rape can be okay sometimes.

Nobody's gonna give a shit what the fuck you think about fucking ghosts.
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Postby Blasveck » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:39 pm

Seitonjin wrote:
Blasveck wrote:Xiatao, can you just stop before you say things like "Genocide is okay"?

I just put him on FOE list for now.


FOE?
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Postby The Silence of Night » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:40 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
The Silence of Night wrote:Less Gods and more a Race of people.


Meh, I think that the Book of Invasions euhemerized the gods, or gave things an entirely different meaning. They're more like elves in some text.
But my ancestors beat the crap out of motherfucking elves. Suck on that Tolkien. :p

Yeah, the Tuatha De Danann are my favorite "mythical" people. My only complaint was forcing out Nauda because of his arm.
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Your test scores indicate that you are an open-minded ultra-progressive; this is the political profile one might associate with a journalist. It appears that you are skeptical towards religion, and have a balanced attitude towards humanity in general.

Your attitudes towards economics appear neither committedly capitalist nor socialist, and combined with your social attitudes this creates the picture of someone who would generally be described as a liberal.

To round out the picture you appear to be, political preference aside, a sensible realistic egalitarian with several strong convictions.

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Postby Seitonjin » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:42 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Seitonjin wrote:I just put him on FOE list for now.


FOE?

Click on your forum name then go to settings or something then you should see an icon that you can press that says FOE.

(I am the last person to ask how to find things)
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Postby Shaggai » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:42 pm

Avenio wrote:
Seperates wrote:It would be as incorrect as saying that Zeus and Odin are 'similar'. Now, Jupiter and Zeus is a better comparison... because as we all know... when Rome conquered Greece... Greece conquered Rome.


Don't tell the Romans that. :p

It's interesting, actually, to note how some cultures are really hard to kill. Sumerian culture was an example: when the Akkadians took over, they just adopted the previous culture. When the Babylonians did, they just added Marduk to the pantheon. Same with Tang Chinese culture. Everyone wanted to be Chinese. Anyone who took over, be they Mongol or anything else, tried to become Chinese. Greek, Egyptian, and various other cultures were examples. America seems to have become one today.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:42 pm

The Silence of Night wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
Meh, I think that the Book of Invasions euhemerized the gods, or gave things an entirely different meaning. They're more like elves in some text.
But my ancestors beat the crap out of motherfucking elves. Suck on that Tolkien. :p

Yeah, the Tuatha De Danann are my favorite "mythical" people. My only complaint was forcing out Nauda because of his arm.


I think the reason was that the king reflects the land. With Nuada maimed, the land would be too. Read that somewhere, but who knows? He beats Bres hands down (no pun intended.)
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Postby The Silence of Night » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:46 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
The Silence of Night wrote:Yeah, the Tuatha De Danann are my favorite "mythical" people. My only complaint was forcing out Nauda because of his arm.


I think the reason was that the king reflects the land. With Nuada maimed, the land would be too. Read that somewhere, but who knows? He beats Bres hands down (no pun intended.)

Well, Bres had a shaky claim to the throne, didn't he? Of course Nuada, the rightful king would have to restore himself. He just had to make a silver arm to do it. Nuada is just a badass. Almost as cool as Lugh.
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To round out the picture you appear to be, political preference aside, a sensible realistic egalitarian with several strong convictions.

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Postby Southeastern Xiatao » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:50 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Southeastern Xiatao wrote:-bullshit snip-


You just fucking said rape can be okay sometimes.

Nobody's gonna give a shit what the fuck you think about fucking ghosts.

If you read my thing about correctly about a person who was born from a raped person, that is good dammit since he/she is now living in the world. The person who raped the victim and is the father is a bitch and a bad thing. You guys need to understand what I said in my point of view.
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Postby Seperates » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:50 pm

Seitonjin wrote:
Seperates wrote:Yes, assume I know nothing of all Eastern theology. How condescending.

Prove rebirth balances karma.

When did that assumption appear... Wait. Oh okay nevermind.

Anyways. I like to look at rebirt this way, assume people are free from any predestination as per Abrahamic religions as well as Hinduism (I may be incorrect about Hinduism though). Now by the constant rebirth we make flub ups and other such mistakes or bad deeds which in turn should (key word) affect us the next instance. But it doesn't. It affects us later along the cycle of rebirth.

However, as you already know that due to this sense of freedom from being destined to do such and such the only way (presumably) things happen is because it either a) previous deeds b) you did it yourself c) tough luck. So instead of thinking karma is linear and absolute, it is a bit random and caused by own personal actions. The best way to hypothesize what will happen is by doing said action the could, well asuming this happens on a day to day basis, lead you to that reaction.

In all intents and purposes, waddling around and figuring how it works is a bit pointless. After all, a better way to look at things is by figuring out why one thing happens without divine intervention. Because even then, karma can be interpreted as divine intervention in action.

Or it would be simpler to assume it doesn't happen...
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:51 pm

The Silence of Night wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
I think the reason was that the king reflects the land. With Nuada maimed, the land would be too. Read that somewhere, but who knows? He beats Bres hands down (no pun intended.)

Well, Bres had a shaky claim to the throne, didn't he? Of course Nuada, the rightful king would have to restore himself. He just had to make a silver arm to do it. Nuada is just a badass. Almost as cool as Lugh.


I found the connection to Bres and Lugh interesting. Both descend from the giants (Lugh maternally, Bres paternally.) and become king.
Don't know how Bres dies. Some accounts say Lugh was drowned by the Dagda's grandsons.

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Postby Seperates » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:51 pm

Avenio wrote:
Seperates wrote:It would be as incorrect as saying that Zeus and Odin are 'similar'. Now, Jupiter and Zeus is a better comparison... because as we all know... when Rome conquered Greece... Greece conquered Rome.


Don't tell the Romans that. :p

Eh... When in Rome...
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Postby Southeastern Xiatao » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:51 pm

Southeastern Xiatao wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
You just fucking said rape can be okay sometimes.

Nobody's gonna give a shit what the fuck you think about fucking ghosts.

If you read my thing about correctly about a person who was born from a raped person, that is good dammit since he/she is now living in the world. The person who raped the victim and is the father is a bitch and a bad thing. You guys need to understand what I said in my point of view.

Actually I'm sure many people would like to here my view on ghosts :geek:
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Postby Seitonjin » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:52 pm

Seperates wrote:
Seitonjin wrote:When did that assumption appear... Wait. Oh okay nevermind.

Anyways. I like to look at rebirt this way, assume people are free from any predestination as per Abrahamic religions as well as Hinduism (I may be incorrect about Hinduism though). Now by the constant rebirth we make flub ups and other such mistakes or bad deeds which in turn should (key word) affect us the next instance. But it doesn't. It affects us later along the cycle of rebirth.

However, as you already know that due to this sense of freedom from being destined to do such and such the only way (presumably) things happen is because it either a) previous deeds b) you did it yourself c) tough luck. So instead of thinking karma is linear and absolute, it is a bit random and caused by own personal actions. The best way to hypothesize what will happen is by doing said action the could, well asuming this happens on a day to day basis, lead you to that reaction.

In all intents and purposes, waddling around and figuring how it works is a bit pointless. After all, a better way to look at things is by figuring out why one thing happens without divine intervention. Because even then, karma can be interpreted as divine intervention in action.

Or it would be simpler to assume it doesn't happen...

That's cool too. Just live life the best way you can think of.

And don't forget to live it like a badass ;D
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:52 pm

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New haven america wrote:I'd probably get in trouble if I gave my opinion. :palm: :palm: :palm:

Every body take a big deep breath and say it with me,
"I will not get banned today."


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There is only one God: The Banhammer.

And what do we say to The Banhammer?

"Not today."

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