What should Obama do Since Russia Didn't give back Snowden?

[Luveria]

Who are you to question Kefka the person in law school getting straight As on every test?

Why, of course. I'm sure Kefka can provide adequate sources to back their assertions up.

The great Kefka has spoken out on this already in another thread. Do you really have the balls to ask Kefka for a source?

And you can continue to exhibit the tendencies of the typical envious mediocrity when faced with the extraordinary...

You have the balls to call out for a ''source'' and try to make that look like an intelligent statement when you are looking at the ultimate source already.

I am the ultimate source on myself and my accomplishments... because no one knows myself better than me. If you don't even realize this, then you are further confirming my suspicions about your abilities...

It takes balls to ask someone to back up their claims with something? I had no idea. I always thought that's quite standard on a debate forum to expect people to back up their claims.

[Freiheit Reich]

Glad most people are being rational about this. Sadly, 16% support lousy options and a few people call Snowden a traitor. I bet they are hard core Obama supporters that love Obama no matter what he says or does OR they are war hawk republicans that believe we should live under an authoritarian dictatorship by committee (similar to what China has) so we can be 'safe.'

Snowden is brave, I hope historians in the future praise him and bash Obama.

Not holding my breath on this, historians praise some other crappy leaders like Andrew Jackson and FDR and likely they will praise Obama as well no matter what.

[Pravengria]

Nothing.

We should be doing the second and third thing on the poll, but for reasons that are actually important, such as the fact that Russia's a shithole.

How's my country a shit hole?

[Luveria]

Nothing.

We should be doing the second and third thing on the poll, but for reasons that are actually important, such as the fact that Russia's a shithole.

How's my country a shit hole?

Ask anyone LGBT living there.

[Freiheit Reich]

Nothing.

We should be doing the second and third thing on the poll, but for reasons that are actually important, such as the fact that Russia's a shithole.

How's my country a shit hole?

Don't worry, not everybody thinks so.

Corrupt and crime ridden, yes. Great culture and architecture though. High potential but corruption and crime are keeping it from more greatness (just like many Latin American nations).

A mixed bag, the real S*+@holes are in the Middle East and Africa.

[Pravengria]

How's my country a shit hole?

Ask anyone LGBT living there.

Not all Russians dislike lgbt, not that much different than the US in some cases. You don't see me calling the US a shithole

[Luveria]

Ask anyone LGBT living there.

Not all Russians dislike lgbt, not that much different than the US in some cases. You don't see me calling the US a shithole

I know a few straight Russians supportive of LGBT rights. I'm not calling Russia a shithole, just letting you know why some people feel so strongly that way about it.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Ask anyone LGBT living there.

Not all Russians dislike lgbt, not that much different than the US in some cases. You don't see me calling the US a shithole

Not that Russia is a shit hole, but the big difference is that Russia has made it into law. Then again, the US is a shit hole on many parts as well.

[Pravengria]

Not all Russians dislike lgbt, not that much different than the US in some cases. You don't see me calling the US a shithole

I know a few straight Russians supportive of LGBT rights. I'm not calling Russia a shithole, just letting you know why some people feel so strongly that way about it.

I find it wrong to call an entire country as such. That's like me calling Germany a shithole because of WW2. I'm a straight Russian and support LGBT for an example, I don't agree with my nation's government, it's corrupt in alot of ways doesn't make the entire country a hell hole

[Pravengria]

Not all Russians dislike lgbt, not that much different than the US in some cases. You don't see me calling the US a shithole

I know a few straight Russians supportive of LGBT rights. I'm not calling Russia a shithole, just letting you know why some people feel so strongly that way about it.

I find it wrong to call an entire country as such. That's like me calling Germany a shithole because of WW2. I'm a straight Russian and support LGBT for an example, I don't agree with my nation's government, it's corrupt in alot of ways doesn't make the entire country a hell hole

[Australasia]

Over Snowden? Nothing much really.

Over Russia's failures when it comes to human rights & democracy? Everything!

[Freiheit Reich]

Over Snowden? Nothing much really.

Over Russia's failures when it comes to human rights & democracy? Everything!

Sadly, the USA is no shining example if either of those things either.

2000 election: proof that 'democracy' is a sham (winner of popular vote did not get in office)

unjustified Iraq invasion, #1 in prisoners (some sent to prison for several years for crimes like stealing a slice of pizza), holding hands and bowing to kings in Saudi Arabia that are against religious freedom, supporting the KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army) in the Kosovo War...The list goes on and on.

[Molsona]

Russia helped someone help the terrorists, but they discriminate against gays so I'm not sure what to do about them.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Russia helped someone help the terrorists, but they discriminate against gays so I'm not sure what to do about them.

You might want to close your eyes for a tad. You're about to find out what the Liberal Nationstates Forum thinks about your political opinions, from several posters.

First, Snowden did not 'help the terrorists'. Thinking in Americans and terrorists makes oppressive government so much easier. Discrimination against gays is wrong, for obvious reasons. The same reasons we don't allow slavery and discrimination on faith anymore.

[The Black Forrest]

Sounds like the goverment is sending a message....well...at home.....


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the ... =nl_tech_b

[Occupied Deutschland]

Sounds like the goverment is sending a message....well...at home.....


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the ... =nl_tech_b

Well, I'm glad that this was done in a straightforward and not in the least bit shady or worrisome manner.

I was beginning to think the US government might not like privacy. Thankfully, their closing of an encrypted email service which strives to protect user's privacy in contrast to places like gmail where every message is scanned has really allayed those concerns.
...
I'm going to go cry now.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Sounds like the goverment is sending a message....well...at home.....


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the ... =nl_tech_b

I think it's due for another revolution against tyranny, wouldn't you agree?

Jefferson would agree. So would the tree of liberty.

[Australasia]

Over Snowden? Nothing much really.

Over Russia's failures when it comes to human rights & democracy? Everything!

Sadly, the USA is no shining example if either of those things either.

2000 election: proof that 'democracy' is a sham (winner of popular vote did not get in office)

unjustified Iraq invasion, #1 in prisoners (some sent to prison for several years for crimes like stealing a slice of pizza), holding hands and bowing to kings in Saudi Arabia that are against religious freedom, supporting the KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army) in the Kosovo War...The list goes on and on.

In comparison, the US is a thousand times better than backward Russia.

[Australasia]

Russia helped someone help the terrorists, but they discriminate against gays so I'm not sure what to do about them.

1. Help the terrorists, eh? How about letting you know that your civil liberties may be being infringed upon?
2. Yeah, and that's a backward and barbaric thing.

[Orcoa]

Sounds like the goverment is sending a message....well...at home.....


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the ... =nl_tech_b

Sounds like the company itself just shut down for moral reasons which I can understand.

I guess some Companies out there have morals.

[Floribbea]

I'm pretty sure china does the same thing. Every country monitors each other, some on different levels. They do it for their own security.

Since when is China the example for the perfect society? Or the best government? Why do people keep using China, North Korea and Iran as examples? They're really bad ones!

I'm using China as an example of countries who probably spy on other country's citizens. China allegedly hacked the US, so if that's true, they're probably monitoring US citizens as well. China, NK, and Iran are horrible examples of countries.

[Pravengria]

Sadly, the USA is no shining example if either of those things either.

2000 election: proof that 'democracy' is a sham (winner of popular vote did not get in office)

unjustified Iraq invasion, #1 in prisoners (some sent to prison for several years for crimes like stealing a slice of pizza), holding hands and bowing to kings in Saudi Arabia that are against religious freedom, supporting the KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army) in the Kosovo War...The list goes on and on.

In comparison, the US is a thousand times better than backward Russia.

We're not backward mate. Care to back that claim? Living in the USSR and then later the Russian Federation and travelling to the US, as far as people, we're not that different.

[Molsona]

Russia helped someone help the terrorists, but they discriminate against gays so I'm not sure what to do about them.

1. Help the terrorists, eh? How about letting you know that your civil liberties may be being infringed upon?
2. Yeah, and that's a backward and barbaric thing.

1. He released the information to the public which is going to help the terrorists, I'd let the government put a security camera in my shower if it was necessary for stopping terrorism
2. It's the right thing

[The Black Forrest]

Sounds like the goverment is sending a message....well...at home.....


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the ... =nl_tech_b

Sounds like the company itself just shut down for moral reasons which I can understand.

I guess some Companies out there have morals.

Moral reasons would be "we decided to close down for...."

Saying you legally can't say why suggests something else.....

[The Black Forrest]

1. Help the terrorists, eh? How about letting you know that your civil liberties may be being infringed upon?
2. Yeah, and that's a backward and barbaric thing.

1. He released the information to the public which is going to help the terrorists, I'd let the government put a security camera in my shower if it was necessary for stopping terrorism
2. It's the right thing

What information is that exactly and how does it help?