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What should Obama and the US do in retaliation to Russia?

-Boycott G-20 Summit
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-Boycott the Olympics
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6%
- Cut communication and place sanctions on Russia
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9%
- Nothing
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-other (explain)
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:54 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:Kill himself for being a piece of shit. Even if Russia gives Snowden back.


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Postby Bezombia » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:54 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:Kill himself for being a piece of shit. Even if Russia gives Snowden back.


That seems like overkill.

Getting involved in a sex scandal, preferably with a miner, would mostly have the same effect.
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Postby Shofercia » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:56 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:Kill himself for being a piece of shit. Even if Russia gives Snowden back.


That seems like overkill.

Getting involved in a sex scandal, preferably with a miner, would mostly have the same effect.


So he should use a Bill for advice to get a dose of the Weiner? :P

(Ok, they weren't minors, but still :P)
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Postby Thurask » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:56 pm

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Postby Gauthier » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:56 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:Kill himself for being a piece of shit. Even if Russia gives Snowden back.


That seems like overkill.

Getting involved in a sex scandal, preferably with a miner, would mostly have the same effect.


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Postby Blakk Metal » Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:06 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:Kill himself for being a piece of shit. Even if Russia gives Snowden back.


That seems like overkill.

Getting involved in a sex scandal, preferably with a miner, would mostly have the same effect.

Why a miner? What's so interesting about a person who digs for minerals?

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Postby Mike the Progressive » Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:08 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:Kill himself for being a piece of shit. Even if Russia gives Snowden back.


That seems like overkill.

Getting involved in a sex scandal, preferably with a miner, would mostly have the same effect.


Ah yes, the notorious sex scandals involving miners. JFK, rumor has it, plowed through all the 49ers.

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Postby Bezombia » Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:10 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
That seems like overkill.

Getting involved in a sex scandal, preferably with a miner, would mostly have the same effect.


Ah yes, the notorious sex scandals involving miners. JFK, rumor has it, plowed through all the 49ers.

You see, then the media could blow it out of proportion and fool the foolees.

"Obama has sex with miner" is a lot more scandalous to people who can't spell.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:11 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
That seems like overkill.

Getting involved in a sex scandal, preferably with a miner, would mostly have the same effect.


Ah yes, the notorious sex scandals involving miners. JFK, rumor has it, plowed through all the 49ers.


He called it "Looking Fer Diamonds In Tha Rough."
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Postby God Kefka » Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:04 pm

If someone's betrayed his country, then that someone deserves to die. Snowden deserves it.

Snowden may think he's safe in Russia... but he's not. The Americans can still silently assassinate him. Russia's actually one of the worse places to hide... murders are relatively casual there compared to in other western countries, true fact.
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Postby Escasia » Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:29 pm

God Kefka wrote:If someone's betrayed his country, then that someone deserves to die. Snowden deserves it.


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Postby Wintersun » Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:31 pm

God Kefka wrote:If someone's betrayed his country, then that someone deserves to die. Snowden deserves it.

Snowden may think he's safe in Russia... but he's not. The Americans can still silently assassinate him. Russia's actually one of the worse places to hide... murders are relatively casual there compared to in other western countries, true fact.


So since General Keith Alexander has committed acts of cyberwarfare against the American people he should be put down like a dog right? He is an enemy combatant after all...

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Postby God Kefka » Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:10 pm

Wintersun wrote:
God Kefka wrote:If someone's betrayed his country, then that someone deserves to die. Snowden deserves it.

Snowden may think he's safe in Russia... but he's not. The Americans can still silently assassinate him. Russia's actually one of the worse places to hide... murders are relatively casual there compared to in other western countries, true fact.


So since General Keith Alexander has committed acts of cyberwarfare against the American people he should be put down like a dog right? He is an enemy combatant after all...


I don't know who the hell Alexander is...

But yeah, traditionally, if you betray your country... you die for it.

Snowden worked for the US government, and he betrayed it by breaking a vow of secrecy, leaking information, and then running. And in the process he's probably been selling other information to the Chinese and the Russians in exchange for protection from the US/money. He HAS to be stopped...

If the US doesn't deal with traitors harshly and decisively, more people could be motivated to betray. You would have a disaster...

Treason IS TREASON...
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Postby Alien Space Bats » Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:32 pm

God Kefka wrote:If someone's betrayed his country, then that someone deserves to die. Snowden deserves it.

Snowden may think he's safe in Russia... but he's not. The Americans can still silently assassinate him. Russia's actually one of the worse places to hide... murders are relatively casual there compared to in other western countries, true fact.

So it's a horrible crime to tell the American people the extent to which their government is monitoring their communications?

<pause>

Do you realize the degree to which governments use security classification to hide embarrassing truths from their citizens?

God Kefka wrote:I don't know who the hell Alexander is...

He's the head of the NSA — you know, the guy who's been spying on American citizens?
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Postby Shofercia » Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:39 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
That seems like overkill.

Getting involved in a sex scandal, preferably with a miner, would mostly have the same effect.


Ah yes, the notorious sex scandals involving miners. JFK, rumor has it, plowed through all the 49ers.


And that's how SF became the Gay Capital of the World :P

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Postby Orthaethaczil » Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:45 pm

He can stand in the corner and pout really hard. :rofl:

Sanctions on Russia ? LOL ! I would love to see that one. :palm:

Third world war would be an option, too ... :blink:

Snowden is a legitimate political fugitive. The USA has demonstrated this most drastically by even disregarding diplomatic immunity. Human rights clearly state such people have a right for asylum. I am happy there is at least one country on the planet that still gives a you-know-what about human rights. :)
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Postby Kingsley Bedford » Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:20 am

Orthaethaczil wrote:He can stand in the corner and pout really hard. :rofl:

Sanctions on Russia ? LOL ! I would love to see that one. :palm:

Third world war would be an option, too ... :blink:

Snowden is a legitimate political fugitive. The USA has demonstrated this most drastically by even disregarding diplomatic immunity. Human rights clearly state such people have a right for asylum. I am happy there is at least one country on the planet that still gives a you-know-what about human rights. :)


Gives a you-know-what about human rights? Don't make me laugh. Putin couldn't give a shit about human rights.

This is an attempt to divert attention from the human-rights violations occurring in Russia that have been getting lots of media attention around the world.
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Postby OMGeverynameistaken » Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:25 am

Kingsley Bedford wrote:
Orthaethaczil wrote:He can stand in the corner and pout really hard. :rofl:

Sanctions on Russia ? LOL ! I would love to see that one. :palm:

Third world war would be an option, too ... :blink:

Snowden is a legitimate political fugitive. The USA has demonstrated this most drastically by even disregarding diplomatic immunity. Human rights clearly state such people have a right for asylum. I am happy there is at least one country on the planet that still gives a you-know-what about human rights. :)


Gives a you-know-what about human rights? Don't make me laugh. Putin couldn't give a shit about human rights.

This is an attempt to divert attention from the human-rights violations occurring in Russia that have been getting lots of media attention around the world.

By God, you're right! Snowden must have been a Russian agent this whole time! IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!
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Postby Kingsley Bedford » Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:59 am

OMGeverynameistaken wrote:
Kingsley Bedford wrote:
Gives a you-know-what about human rights? Don't make me laugh. Putin couldn't give a shit about human rights.

This is an attempt to divert attention from the human-rights violations occurring in Russia that have been getting lots of media attention around the world.

By God, you're right! Snowden must have been a Russian agent this whole time! IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!


That's not what I'm suggesting, I'm just pointing out that Russia didn't do this because they care about human rights... they did it in the hope it might sway the opinion of the rest of the world back in their favour.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:25 am

Kingsley Bedford wrote:
OMGeverynameistaken wrote:By God, you're right! Snowden must have been a Russian agent this whole time! IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!


That's not what I'm suggesting, I'm just pointing out that Russia didn't do this because they care about human rights... they did it in the hope it might sway the opinion of the rest of the world back in their favour.

And to piss off the states. It's like 1945-1991 all over again.
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Postby Shofercia » Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:41 am

Kingsley Bedford wrote:
OMGeverynameistaken wrote:By God, you're right! Snowden must have been a Russian agent this whole time! IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!


That's not what I'm suggesting, I'm just pointing out that Russia didn't do this because they care about human rights... they did it in the hope it might sway the opinion of the rest of the world back in their favour.


Nope. Russia did it because they had to. You cannot look weak on an international stage, and if Russia didn't give Snowden asylum after he requested it, Russia would've ended up looking weak. There was no desperate hope there, just politics as usual. And if you think about it, most powerful countries treat Human Rights rather selectively.
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Postby Helltank » Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:51 am

Obama should tell the NSA to stop fucking going all 1984 on the Americans and send Snowden a nice note saying "you got some balls, son".

I'm in Singapore, America could be bombed to a smoking wasteland and it will have little effect on my life, yet I still am pissed off with NSA.
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Postby God Kefka » Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:42 am

Alien Space Bats wrote:
God Kefka wrote:If someone's betrayed his country, then that someone deserves to die. Snowden deserves it.

Snowden may think he's safe in Russia... but he's not. The Americans can still silently assassinate him. Russia's actually one of the worse places to hide... murders are relatively casual there compared to in other western countries, true fact.

So it's a horrible crime to tell the American people the extent to which their government is monitoring their communications?

<pause>

Do you realize the degree to which governments use security classification to hide embarrassing truths from their citizens?

God Kefka wrote:I don't know who the hell Alexander is...

He's the head of the NSA — you know, the guy who's been spying on American citizens?


No major world power can survive without spying on everyone (domestically and internationally). USA just did what the British Empire was doing before it...

Also, no major world power can survive if people can regularly betray their country and leak top secret information to the public. This is what Snowden did.

How can you fight terrorism without getting as much info as you can on everyone? Spying is something every major country does anyway. If you think America is doing something so extraordinarily out of the norm with PRISM... you are naive.

If America goes soft on Snowden, what's top stop future leaks? We cannot tolerate traitors.
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Postby New Aerios » Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:56 am

God Kefka wrote:
Alien Space Bats wrote:So it's a horrible crime to tell the American people the extent to which their government is monitoring their communications?

<pause>

Do you realize the degree to which governments use security classification to hide embarrassing truths from their citizens?


He's the head of the NSA — you know, the guy who's been spying on American citizens?


No major world power can survive without spying on everyone (domestically and internationally). USA just did what the British Empire was doing before it...

Also, no major world power can survive if people can regularly betray their country and leak top secret information to the public. This is what Snowden did.

How can you fight terrorism without getting as much info as you can on everyone? Spying is something every major country does anyway. If you think America is doing something so extraordinarily out of the norm with PRISM... you are naive.

If America goes soft on Snowden, what's top stop future leaks? We cannot tolerate traitors.


Of course, because the British Empire was tapping everyone's phone calls and monitoring their internet history...

Seems legit.
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