Do you believe in Evolution?

[Hurdegaryp]

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Go to your room and think about what you said.

Huh? Leonidas surely did write the Bible?

Next amazing conclusion: Plato was Jesus Christ all along!

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

Does ancientness make things true? Because I'd like to refer you to, the Gilgamesh Epos, the Edda, the Bhavaghat Gita, the Toa Te Ching, the Vedas, the Dhammapada, why are they less true? They all have profecies, they all claim salvation, they are all written in ancient languages.

It's the IPU's way, or the highway. (To the lair of the Purple Oyster that is.)

To put your short termed mind at ease, the age of texts allows for challenging and discussing much the same way we're doing right now. However, since the texts survived and have been upheld by countless generations of discussion, it is much more difficult to accept this invisible book.

So in answer, no. Ancientness does not make it true. It makes it reliable as well as to date with the time in which it was conceived so to speak.

How can you know what is in a invisible book?

[Volnotova]

Firstly: Sir, please read: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=254663
Secondly: All humans are apes.
Humans (Homo sapiens) are primates of the family Hominidae (Great apes), and the only extant species of the genus Homo.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. There is no way we could have evolved, due to the fact that God created humans, so how did we change? It says it in most of the religious books that the world has.

Read the very links posted at the beginning of page 3.

[State of the Church]

Agnostic Theist - believes in God but does not know if God exists

How one can believe in God if he doesn't know if he exists?

[Salandriagado]

First off let me introduce myself as a Conservative Christian. Hello!

I do believe in Evolution. It's observable and lovely and all that kind of thing.
I don't however believe in common ancestry.

Then you are wrong.

I also believe in the Bible in it's entirety. That includes the Creation story.

The way I do this is quite simple. God created the bear. Just a standard run of the mill bear. The world at this time was fairly uniform in climate

This has never been the case.

due to a zone of water around the atmosphere

And what, pray, is going to hold this water up?

and of course, pangea.

Didn't have anything vaguely resembling a uniform climate. Also, didn't exist for many, many millions of years before humans were a thing.

After Noah's flood, the zone of water was gone and the continents, if they weren't already, had begun drifting.

It is absolutely certain that no such flood ever occurred.

Now Noah had the bear. It moved out and around the world reproducing. As it got trapped on each continent in each climate, it evolved to survive those conditions. This gives us our great animal diversity and also helps with the whole "Two of each kind of animal on one boat" thing.

No such genetic bottleneck exists, and evolution does not work anything like that quickly (in bears).

[Risottia]

Why not? That's the whole point of a debate. Discussing opinions and beliefs.

Technically, debate is arguing for and against certain points and opinions. It's not saying that someone is wrong and that their entire system of beliefs is also wrong.

It's the same thing. I can argue against the whole system of beliefs of a person, and tell him he's wrong about more or less everything. This doesn't mean I'm attacking that person.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Noah's Ark didn't happen, regardless of your apologist's "explanation".

His explanation is not one of the best fairytales I've ever read. If you make Scientology's mythology look good in comparison, you're doing it all kinds of wrong.

It's all nice talking about the bear (even though entire species don't evolve across a few thousand years), but he appears to disregard everything else, especially the other 8.7 million species.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Agnostic Theist - believes in God but does not know if God exists

How one can believe in God if he doesn't know if he exists?

Blind faith.

[The Blue Wolf Federation]

Evolution is not a belief, but a fact, Evolution did happen, and I do not believe in any god.

IS HAPPENING! The only bleedin way you can support evolution is to recognize it still is occurring.

[Hurdegaryp]

To put your short termed mind at ease, the age of texts allows for challenging and discussing much the same way we're doing right now. However, since the texts survived and have been upheld by countless generations of discussion, it is much more difficult to accept this invisible book.

So in answer, no. Ancientness does not make it true. It makes it reliable as well as to date with the time in which it was conceived so to speak.

How can you know what is in a invisible book?

Unholy magick and infernal rites.

[Kantria]

When I say that evolution is not happening, I mean from animal to human.

Humans do not occupy a privileged position in the evolutionary 'web'. They're one species among the countless others that have ever existed on Earth. There is absolutely nothing in the theory of evolution which predicts that non-human animals eventually and inevitably evolve to become humans, or even evolve to gain human-like sapience. We might feel pretty special and I agree we are, but that's all subjective. Objectively, we're animals like any other; we're not the end "goal" of "evolution" because there just isn't one.

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

Huh? Leonidas surely did write the Bible?

Next amazing conclusion: Plato was Jesus Christ all along!

Julius Caesar was Budha?

[Mavorpen]

False. It states that a being created the process itself, which ISN'T a part of the theory.

True, it's not part of the theory of evolution via natural selection. Nor is it contradicted by the theory of evolution via natural selection.

False. The theory posits that only natural processes are responsible for it. Anything else is not scientific and goes against the theory.

[New Libertarian States]

Except it's inserting the unobserved(god) into the observed(evolution).

It is not inserting God into anything; insofar as the theory of evolution via natural selection makes scientific claims, theistic evolution accepts these claims. That it further makes non-scientific claims which impact but do not contradict the theory of evolution via natural selection does not in any way place the two in conflict. Theistic evolution is a perfect synthesis of the theory of evolution via natural selection and a theistic worldview which incorporates a creating and sustaining deity.

How is it not?
Your saying god (or some supernatural force) guided (or least began) evolution.
That IS inserting the unobserved into the observed.

[Risottia]

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Go to your room and think about what you said.

Huh? Leonidas surely did write the Bible?

THIS. IS. BIBLE!

[Nationalist State of Knox]

You doubt the Epic of Gilgamesh?

It's a great untruth and an offence in Her name.

I didn't realise my biography was so unbelievable.

[Hurdegaryp]

His explanation is not one of the best fairytales I've ever read. If you make Scientology's mythology look good in comparison, you're doing it all kinds of wrong.

It's all nice talking about the bear (even though entire species don't evolve across a few thousand years), but he appears to disregard everything else, especially the other 8.7 million species.

That's what true belief is all about: the systematic elimination of all that does not agree with your precious dogmas.

[Mkuki]

Wrong, wrong, wrong. There is no way we could have evolved, due to the fact that God created humans, so how did we change? It says it in most of the religious books that the world has.

Read the very links posted at the beginning of page 3.

I'm guessing Aqua isn't too interested in actually considering evolution. What a waste of my time.

[Enadail]

Agnostic Theist - believes in God but does not know if God exists

How one can believe in God if he doesn't know if he exists?

How can people believe in Big Foot if they don't know he exists?

I'm not sure what kind of question that is. Knowledge if not required for belief. They're literally on opposing spectrums, given belief is often acceptance WITHOUT evidence, thus precluding knowledge.

[The Blue Wolf Federation]

His explanation is not one of the best fairytales I've ever read. If you make Scientology's mythology look good in comparison, you're doing it all kinds of wrong.

It's all nice talking about the bear (even though entire species don't evolve across a few thousand years), but he appears to disregard everything else, especially the other 8.7 million species.

That you honestly think Noah's ark occurred only a thousand years ago means you need to find a more reliable source than the History channel. HOW ABOUT READ THE ACTUAL TEXT!

[The Tovian Way]

True, it's not part of the theory of evolution via natural selection. Nor is it contradicted by the theory of evolution via natural selection.

False. The theory posits that only natural processes are responsible for it. Anything else is not wcientific and goes against the theory.

The theory of evolution describes the natural processes that take place; it makes no claim as to where these natural processes came from, by whom they were designed, or where such a designer might be guiding the process.

[Salandriagado]

Why not? That's the whole point of a debate. Discussing opinions and beliefs.

Technically, debate is arguing for and against certain points and opinions. It's not saying that someone is wrong and that their entire system of beliefs is also wrong.

Why not, when that is the case?

[Conkerials]

Languages also evolve.

Nonsense Italians, Spanish and French all clearly speak still Latin.

English is practically every language. Excuse me, every western language.

[Volnotova]

Why would them being old be an acceptable excuse to disregard them?

Due to the fact that it might be unaccurate. There is a chance that somewhere along the lines, someone made a vital error.

You know what else is old?

Yep, you guessed it, the Bible and the Quran.

[The Victorian Empire]

Its pretty much proven but, do you believe in Evolution? Or do you believe humans never evolved from filthy monkey men?




this thread is probably gonna get locked by the mods

No, it's not proven, don't claim it is when it isn't.

And no, I don't believe in Evolution, because: HOLY SHIT, WE HAVE SIMILAR BUILDS AS MONKIES, WE MUST BE RELATED. Is not valid evidence.