Do you believe in Evolution?

[The Grey Wolf]

I thinks it's pretty much already been proven.

More so than gravity.

Apparently magic space pixies keep us all rooted to the ground.

[Esen]

No it isn't. Go actually read the rules please.

I didn't know that the rules allow to insult other beliefs by defining "bullshit" SACRED BOOKS. If I was a muslim I would be offended.

You see friend, you're threadjacking... And I am a Muslim and I am not offended because evolution is reality.

Don't think so? Stop your blind faith and think outside the book.

[Chishimotata]

Evolution happened. End of.

[Conscentia]

I used to believe in Theistic Evolution. But now more so I consider myself a deist, and, in some sense, an Agnostic. I believe that there is a divine architect who created the world and decided to let it do its thing.
Short Answer: Yes.

There is a lecture in my signature - you should watch it.

[Genivaria]

I have every right to criticize an ideology I don't like. If his only evidence is fiction, his beliefs deserve no respect.

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My sources are not fictional. I think your the one with the fictional sources. At least I provide proof to my answers, where as, you don't.

Stop lying. Sources for evolution have been provided throughout the thread.

[Conscentia]

Evolution happened. End of.

It still is happening.

[The Onion]

I didn't know that the rules allow to insult other beliefs by defining "bullshit" SACRED BOOKS. If I was a muslim I would be offended.

They find evolution 'bullshit'.
To me, those Sacred Books are nothing. I think that if Lord of the Rins was written 2000 years ago we would all fear Morgoth.

These are all different things. To go up to someone and deliberately insult their faith is different from arguing against a position you don't agree with. And LOTR was written as FICTION, not as a religion.

[Gaelic Celtia]

Not one bit. God created us, and that's about it.

Exactly, and there's not even any proof anyways. You science folks say there is "evidence" because you can trace fossils to billions of years ago, but how can you possibly know that? Even with your high-tech computers and such, it's impossible to know how old something is just by testing its DNA or using a fancy computer.

...Except that you can do exactly that in a process called Radiocarbon Dating. It may be off by 50,000 years but that is not much time when dealing with things that go back to the millions or billions of years.

[Chishimotata]

Evolution happened. End of.

It still is happening.

True. Used the past tense, because people don't think it happened at all.

[Neo Rome Republic]

They find evolution 'bullshit'.
To me, those Sacred Books are nothing. I think that if Lord of the Rins was written 2000 years ago we would all fear Morgoth.

These are all different things. To go up to someone and deliberately insult their faith is different from arguing against a position you don't agree with. And LOTR was written as FICTION, not as a religion.

But...it's still fiction.

[Marlongrad]

As for some of the other fellows who are not convinced of evolution, the argument seems to boil down to: "anything I cannot sufficiently understand (like science) has to be incorrect, because I'm not sure about the details."


as a side note, does the Quran specify the exact chemical composition of the dirt God made humans from? because I'd like to try making my own humans, and this would be really helpful.

[The Blue Wolf Federation]

Evolution happened. End of.

No. Evolution is taking place and has always been. granted.

Whether or not this is by will of God is the current debate.

[Tsuntion]

As a means of origin? Dunno. I wasn't around back then, so for all I know God could've created microorganisms and the whole "seven days" thing could be a metaphor/seven billion years for what it's worth.

Evolution doesn't say anything about the origin of life; that's abiogenesis.

The Bible directly contradicts our scientific knowledge in many literal parts (e.g. Genesis 30:37-39). We are then expected to take the Bible over the science (Proverbs 3:5).

How is that not anti-science?

I believe that Genesis is one of the most metaphorical books in the Bible. And yes, Christians are expected to take the Bible over science. Christians are expected to place full faith in God. That doesn't mean that science and religion are exclusive. It means that Christians are expected to trust God, even if they aren't sure about something. It doesn't mean they shouldn't try to figure it out - it means that they should still have faith.

The verses I cited were part of the story of Jacob (I know that you likely didn't look them up). That is a literal story. I can also pick any miracle claim at all -- Old or New Testament -- to make my point.

But when we figure it out, and then aren't sure whether the Bible is fully true any more, God tells us that the Bible is true, and therefore we trust him and say that science is false. Thus they are in conflict.

[Conkerials]

I used to believe in Theistic Evolution. But now more so I consider myself a deist, and, in some sense, an Agnostic. I believe that there is a divine architect who created the world and decided to let it do its thing.
Short Answer: Yes.

There is a lecture in my signature - you should watch it.

"Lawrence Krauss - A Universe from Nothing: Why There is Something Instead of Nothing"

That one?

[Salandriagado]

Of course they're free. But that isn't evolution. That's a caricature of it.

Since evolution makes no claims one way or another regarding the existence of a person who initiates and/or guides evolution, neither the holding of this belief or the lack of this belief serves as a lack of belief in evolution.
Theistic evolution proponents believe in evolution just as much as unguided evolution proponents do, they merely hold other claims external to the theory of evolution to further inform their worldview. Theistic evolution is evolution just as much as unguided evolution is.

No, because the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection is exactly an explanation of why things evolve.

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

They find evolution 'bullshit'.
To me, those Sacred Books are nothing. I think that if Lord of the Rins was written 2000 years ago we would all fear Morgoth.

These are all different things. To go up to someone and deliberately insult their faith is different from arguing against a position you don't agree with. And LOTR was written as FICTION, not as a religion.

So were all those funny stories about men with beards doing weird stuff that religions are based upon.
You know how it developed, the whole religion business?
'Look, that rock looks like a naked lady!'
'Let's make a story about it!'

[Hurdegaryp]

Evolution happened. End of.

It still is happening.

As long as there is life, there is evolution. It just won't stop. It's madness, I tell you!

[Chishimotata]

Evolution happened. End of.

No. Evolution is taking place and has always been. granted.

Whether or not this is by will of God is the current debate.

I don't think God has to be part of it at all. But that's my quibble.

Also, again, I used the past tense even though I should have used the present. This is my shortcoming.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Evolution happened. End of.

No. Evolution is taking place and has always been. granted.

Whether or not this is by will of God is the current debate.

God is an unnecessary factor in evolution.

It happens perfectly without God's intervention.

[The Dictatorship POD]

In my line of work, there is too much evidence against it for me to believe it.

Then kindly, provide this evidence.

Nothing biological or chemical occurs by an accident. Even cellular mutation can be predicted, example, cancer is not something that just happens, a cancerous cells can be detected at birth and incomplete destruction of such a cell is the start of cancer. We can not only predict cellular mutation but we can use it to our advantage. Also zero plus zero equals zero, zero times anything equals zero, we have yet to create something out of nothing.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Then kindly, provide this evidence.

Nothing biological or chemical occurs by an accident. Even cellular mutation can be predicted, example, cancer is not something that just happens, a cancerous cells can be detected at birth and incomplete destruction of such a cell is the start of cancer. We can not only predict cellular mutation but we can use it to our advantage. Also zero plus zero equals zero, zero times anything equals zero, we have yet to create something out of nothing.

So, God of the gaps?

[Karvlig]

One thing that a lot of people get wrong about evolution: it actually doesn't say that we evolved from apes. What it says is that humans and apes have a common ancestor that we both evolved from. Also, for those that are against it, just because you find something disconcerting doesn't mean that it is false.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

I used to believe in Theistic Evolution. But now more so I consider myself a deist, and, in some sense, an Agnostic. I believe that there is a divine architect who created the world and decided to let it do its thing.
Short Answer: Yes.

There is a lecture in my signature - you should watch it.

On that note, have you read "A Universe From Nothing" or have you just watched the lecture?

[Chishimotata]

Then kindly, provide this evidence.

Nothing biological or chemical occurs by an accident. Even cellular mutation can be predicted, example, cancer is not something that just happens, a cancerous cells can be detected at birth and incomplete destruction of such a cell is the start of cancer. We can not only predict cellular mutation but we can use it to our advantage. Also zero plus zero equals zero, zero times anything equals zero, we have yet to create something out of nothing.

You don't know anything about cancer. I can see it just from this post.

[The Onion]

These are all different things. To go up to someone and deliberately insult their faith is different from arguing against a position you don't agree with. And LOTR was written as FICTION, not as a religion.

So were all those funny stories about men with beards doing weird stuff that religions are based upon.
You know how it developed, the whole religion business?
'Look, that rock looks like a naked lady!'
'Let's make a story about it!'

Yes, I know. Religion developed as a way to explain what, at the time, was un-explainable. And now that we are advancing with science and can explain more and more without religion, many are tempted to do away with religion.