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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:12 am

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Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Then what is its significance?

The significance is that the Bible is not the "anti-science." Religion can easily fit into the world of science, but most choose not to see that, because it threatens their beliefs too much.

Define "easily".
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Postby State of the Church » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:12 am

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This is called FLAME.

You elaborate a constructive contribution or you just shut up.

No it isn't. Go actually read the rules please.


I didn't know that the rules allow to insult other beliefs by defining "bullshit" SACRED BOOKS. If I was a muslim I would be offended.
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Postby Socialist Austrian Empire » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:12 am

Cameroi wrote:evolution does not require faith. only honest observation. not even "faith in science". you can breed fruit flys and even flowers and vegetables.

as for "monkeys", science doesn't even say monkeys. they happen to be in the same phyla (if that's the right term, or kingdom or something like that) as ourselves. but so are lemers. doesn't mean we evolved FROM them, but in parallel.

(besides, judging by the way humans act, i still believe we evolved from pigs. vicious wart hogs perhaps, but still pigs)


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Postby Esen » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:12 am

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This is why non-Atheists hate us, it is people like you.

This is literally as worthless as stating that people like me cause Unicornists to hate nonUnicornists. Who gives a shit?

Because if you actually teach them instead of stabbing them with harsh words, maybe you would have a better appearance.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:12 am

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Mavorpen wrote:Of course they're free. But that isn't evolution. That's a caricature of it.


Since evolution makes no claims one way or another regarding the existence of a person who initiates and/or guides evolution, neither the holding of this belief or the lack of this belief serves as a lack of belief in evolution.
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False. The null hypothesis states that it isn't guided by any supernatural being. Evolution is a natural process. To suggest otherwise isn't evolution.
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Postby The Ben Boys » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:13 am

As a means of origin? Dunno. I wasn't around back then, so for all I know God could've created microorganisms and the whole "seven days" thing could be a metaphor/seven billion years for what it's worth.


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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:13 am

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I have every right to criticize an ideology I don't like. If his only evidence is fiction, his beliefs deserve no respect.

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My sources are not fictional. I think your the one with the fictional sources. At least I provide proof to my answers, where as, you don't.


I gave sources for my argument, I guess creationist really are blind to links. :lol2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_poor_design
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:13 am

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Mavorpen wrote:No it isn't. Go actually read the rules please.


I didn't know that the rules allow to insult other beliefs by defining "bullshit" SACRED BOOKS. If I was a muslim I would be offended.

It does. Now stop threadjacking
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Postby New Libertarian States » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:13 am

State of the Church wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No it isn't. Go actually read the rules please.


I didn't know that the rules allow to insult other beliefs by defining "bullshit" SACRED BOOKS. If I was a muslim I would be offended.

You can do that to any belief.
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Postby Bottle » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:13 am

Vultasia wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I don't have an obligation to respect beliefs that are bullshit.


This is why non-Atheists hate us, it is people like you.

Some theists may hate atheists for that reason, but those theists are probably not people we're interested in being good friends with anyhow.

Me, I prefer hanging around with the kind of theists who share my contempt for willful ignorance. We've got a bunch of that kind of theist on this forum, in fact! Hopefully you'll get to meet some if you haven't already.
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Postby Risottia » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:13 am

Marquette of Pacific wrote:
Aquafireland wrote:Not one bit. God created us, and that's about it.


Exactly, and there's not even any proof anyways. You science folks say there is "evidence" because you can trace fossils to billions of years ago, but how can you possibly know that? Even with your high-tech computers and such, it's impossible to know how old something is just by testing its DNA or using a fancy computer.

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Postby Aquafireland » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:13 am

Mavorpen wrote:
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This is called FLAME.

You elaborate a constructive contribution or you just shut up.

No it isn't. Go actually read the rules please.

Mavorpen is correct. A flame is when the insult is directed at you.
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Postby The Onion » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:14 am

Tsuntion wrote:
The Onion wrote:The significance is that the Bible is not the "anti-science." Religion can easily fit into the world of science, but most choose not to see that, because it threatens their beliefs too much.


The Bible directly contradicts our scientific knowledge in many literal parts (e.g. Genesis 30:37-39). We are then expected to take the Bible over the science (Proverbs 3:5).

How is that not anti-science?

I believe that Genesis is one of the most metaphorical books in the Bible. And yes, Christians are expected to take the Bible over science. Christians are expected to place full faith in God. That doesn't mean that science and religion are exclusive. It means that Christians are expected to trust God, even if they aren't sure about something. It doesn't mean they shouldn't try to figure it out - it means that they should still have faith.

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Postby Marlongrad » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:14 am

By this point, I am 90% sure that Aquafireland is just a simple troll who has managed to get an entire thread in uproar. He hasn't bothered to read any of the posts, which is evident because he at no point ever addresses any information or issue brought up in them. In fact I would hazard a guess that the only book he has read (for the purposes of this discussion) is the Quran.

Basically, I contend you're either a troll or an apologist, but to give you the benefit of the doubt:

I have a book. This book says that in space, there exist invisible, untouchable dogs. this book also says that everything in this book is correct, because god wrote it. I know that god wrote the book because the book says so, and I know that the book is right because god wrote it.

I don't really need to examine whether there are invisible dogs in space, because the book tells me all I need to know on the subject.

so, Aquafireland, is there a flaw in my reasoning?

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Postby Mkuki » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:14 am

State of the Church wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No it isn't. Go actually read the rules please.


I didn't know that the rules allow to insult other beliefs by defining "bullshit" SACRED BOOKS. If I was a muslim I would be offended.

It does. The rules say you can't insult a player directly.

"Atheism is bullshit!" is a valid argument.
"Atheism is bullshit and you're an idiot for believing in it" is a not a valid argument and can get you warnings and even bans.
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:14 am

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Cameroi wrote:evolution does not require faith. only honest observation. not even "faith in science". you can breed fruit flys and even flowers and vegetables.

as for "monkeys", science doesn't even say monkeys. they happen to be in the same phyla (if that's the right term, or kingdom or something like that) as ourselves. but so are lemers. doesn't mean we evolved FROM them, but in parallel.

(besides, judging by the way humans act, i still believe we evolved from pigs. vicious wart hogs perhaps, but still pigs)


This person, is a GENIUS. :clap:

I'd like to know who you're contrasting this supposed "genius" off.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:14 am

State of the Church wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No it isn't. Go actually read the rules please.


I didn't know that the rules allow to insult other beliefs by defining "bullshit" SACRED BOOKS. If I was a muslim I would be offended.


I'm offended that you would be offended. :p
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Postby Slafstopia » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:14 am

The Ben Boys wrote:As a means of origin? Dunno. I wasn't around back then, so for all I know God could've created microorganisms and the whole "seven days" thing could be a metaphor/seven billion years for what it's worth.


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Postby The Tovian Way » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:14 am

Mavorpen wrote:
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Since evolution makes no claims one way or another regarding the existence of a person who initiates and/or guides evolution, neither the holding of this belief or the lack of this belief serves as a lack of belief in evolution.
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False. The null hypothesis states that it isn't guided by any supernatural being. Evolution is a natural process. To suggest otherwise isn't evolution.


Evolution is merely a description of biological and physical processes; it makes no claim whatsoever about whether or not something guides or has initiated evolution.
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Postby Great Nepal » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:14 am

Esen wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:This is literally as worthless as stating that people like me cause Unicornists to hate nonUnicornists. Who gives a shit?

Because if you actually teach them instead of stabbing them with harsh words, maybe you would have a better appearance.

Unless we are getting paid to educate them, it isn't our job to actually teach them. In modern age of web, ignorance is a choice.
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Postby The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:15 am

State of the Church wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No it isn't. Go actually read the rules please.


I didn't know that the rules allow to insult other beliefs by defining "bullshit" SACRED BOOKS. If I was a muslim I would be offended.

They find evolution 'bullshit'.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:15 am

The Tovian Way wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:False. The null hypothesis states that it isn't guided by any supernatural being. Evolution is a natural process. To suggest otherwise isn't evolution.


Evolution is merely a description of biological and physical processes; it makes no claim whatsoever about whether or not something guides or has initiated evolution.

Mavorpen wrote:
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Since evolution makes no claims one way or another regarding the existence of a person who initiates and/or guides evolution, neither the holding of this belief or the lack of this belief serves as a lack of belief in evolution.
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False. The null hypothesis states that it isn't guided by any supernatural being. Evolution is a natural process. To suggest otherwise isn't evolution.
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Postby Surfistan » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:15 am

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You can always repent from your sinful ways and join Unicornism, the shining invisible light in total and unbelievable darkness.

What about the teapotists?


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Postby Conkerials » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:15 am

I used to believe in Theistic Evolution. But now more so I consider myself a deist, and, in some sense, an Agnostic. I believe that there is a divine architect who created the world and decided to let it do its thing.

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