Do you believe in Evolution?

[Bottle]

The people who don't understand evolution o to God because its much simpler to understand and learn. And, with this one sentence you never have to learn anything! "God just made it that way"

Thats an asinine and insulting position.

People who dont accept evolution dont do it because they are lazy? Thats exceedingly arrogant of you.

Of course you picked the word "understand", there are a vast host of people who do not understand evolution, you sir are likely one of them.

That's the crucial difference and I'm glad you noticed it.

People who don't UNDERSTAND evolution are far more likely to reject it than people who do UNDERSTAND it. Indeed, as I said already in this thread, I have yet to encounter someone who actually understood evolution and yet rejected it.

Now, there are people who do not fully understand evolution yet accept it as a scientific fact. They recognize that IF they wish to challenge evolutionary biology, THEN they must first educate themselves...and since they have not (yet) done so, they refrain from challenging evolutionary biology. That is how a mature, respectful, rational person behaves toward any subject related to science.

[Liriena]

Actually, coherency problems would still exist even without a literalist interpretation of the Bible. It would fall unto the theistic evolutionist to explain the reason why a deity (especially an anthropocentric deity such as the Abrahamic one, which is allegedly omnipotent, omniscient and not bound by the laws of physics) create and guide our Universe through the physical laws and phenomena that we know of. Why would an anthropocentric God take billions of years to have the evolutionary process create humans? Why would an anthropocentric God make our Sun a finite (and deadly) source of energy that will eventually destroy our planet? Why would an anthropocentric God create billions of other galaxies, which we will probably never visit, and billions of planets that will be gone long before we can visit them? Why would an anthropocentric God have the evolutionary process create humans, and then wait thousands of years to show himself in human mythological texts, such as the Bible? Why are eating, breathing, drinking and sleeping be necessary concepts in this God's design? Why is the massive, deadly void of outer space a necessary concept? Why does this anthropocentric God allow so many physical obstacles, many of which our species cannot avoid?

You haven't demonstrated any coherency problems at all. I see no reason why an omnipotent, omniscient, anthropocentric God unbounded by physical laws would not create and guide our universe through the physical laws and phenomena we know of. He certainly was not bound to do so, but neither have you presented any compelling reason why He would not do so.

The Christian God, in most of the interpretations of it, centers his every action on the human species, allegedly with benevolent intent. This God is claimed to be omnipotent, omniscient, just and (mostly) truthful.

He allegedly cares about or well-being. Yet he provides us with a Universe filled to the brim with useless (and deadly) space and phenomena, not to mention arbitrariously feeble bodies. If human beings are God's 'favorites', why are so many of our physical traits inferior to those of other species? Our eyesight is surpassed by that of many predators, as are our olfatory sense and our hearing. Our legs can only make us so fast. Our teeth and fingernails are useless against most preys and predators. Our brains often conceal information from us, or outright lie to us. We speak, breath and eat through the same orifice. We get rid of bodily waste and reproduce with practically the same organs.

What justification would any deity that is so concerned with our species' well-being have for such inadequate bodies and equally inadequate enviroments? What justification would such a deity have for the Big Bang, the formation of planets, abiogenesis or the evolutionary process?

[Riiser-Larsen]

The people who don't understand evolution o to God because its much simpler to understand and learn. And, with this one sentence you never have to learn anything! "God just made it that way"

Thats an asinine and insulting position.

People who dont accept evolution dont do it because they are lazy? Thats exceedingly arrogant of you.

Of course you picked the word "understand", there are a vast host of people who do not understand evolution, you sir are likely one of them. However please enlighten me with your vast and total understanding of evolutionary theory. Please however dont waste my time with copy-pasta, use your own words, since you have said understanding as your post implies this shouldnt be difficult at all, or perhaps youre just too lazy. Though I doubt someone who is clearly a PhD holder in at least one discipline of the biological sciences surely isnt so lazy as to not be able to convey something he has a complete understanding of, right?

It is kind of asinine, but they do have a point about some of them. I think only maybe 4-5 arguments with theists I've been in haven't involved something along the lines of "It makes no sense for something like [insert animal here] to have evolved into [insert other animal here]". That's not a valid argument, that's someone who hasn't bothered to learn about evolution beyond their churches description of it, and simply default to "Evolution is false because it makes no sense. Spread the word of God".

[Kantria]

No. It makes no predictions. A hypothesis must make predictions which can be tested.

We are intelligently designed, isn't a prediction?

It is, but the insistence upon a supernatural (i.e., unobservable) creator is not a valid hypothesis because it can never be scientifically tested under even ideal circumstances (i.e., even if we had absolute knowledge of the entire natural world).

[Old Tyrannia]

No, the UK.

Oh, okay. South, I believe?

Forgive my bluntness, but why do you want to know?

[The Tovian Way]

Show your work.

Gladly. Provide scientific existence God exists please.

Ah-ah! I did not ask you to answer a pre-existent argument I had for the existence of God. That's another topic.
You asserted the claim "The null hypothesis necessitates the nonexistence of God." You now need to support this claim with argument.

[Utceforp]

Like how the Earth is flat despite satellites orbiting it, how the age of the Earth is in thousands of years rather than billions despite fossils much older than that, and how some people who say Jesus the first time will still be alive during the second coming despite Christians having now waited almost 2000 years for their prophet to come back?

Christians, mind you, did not think the Earth was flat. That is a western notion. Right there, you have no argument. Columbus had debates with western sailors since when they saw the sea all around them, it looked pretty flat to them. Christians of Eastern Orthodoxy didn't care if the earth was flat round or concave. It was the earth.

What you fail to understand is that in the ancient christian mind, specifics get in the way.

Point debunked.

Wrong. The Earth was known to be flat during the time of Columbus, he just though that it was much smaller than it actually was, which is why he thought he could reach China and why he was so surprised when the New World got in the way. Also, the church opposed those who thought the Earth was round. Also, you didn't disprove my other points about the age of the Earth and the time of the Second Coming.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

No, the UK.

Oh, okay. South, I believe?

Nope, the North East. Why do you ask?

[Chinese Regions]

Have the creationists gone yet.

Everyone, just read this:
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=254663&p=15799474#p15799474

[Mavorpen]

Gladly. Provide scientific existence God exists please.

Ah-ah! I did not ask you to answer a pre-existent argument I had for the existence of God. That's another topic.
You asserted the claim "The null hypothesis necessitates the nonexistence of God." You now need to support this claim with argument.

So am I to take it you have none?

Then via the null hypothesis, God does not exist.

[Socialist Republic of Andrew]

Well i am actually mixed about it.

I believe that it happened, but it was created by God.
So i believe that Evolution was created by God, but this is just my personal opinion, not trying to say my way it right, just stating my opinion.

[Bottle]

Show your work.

Gladly. Provide scientific existence God exists please.

No no, back up a step. Start them at the beginning.

They first must provide a testable hypothesis of God.

They don't even have to provide evidence yet. They just have to provide a hypothesis which lays out how we might go about COLLECTING evidence. So far they haven't even done that, so don't skip ahead to the evidence part.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Look for intelligent design in the universe, I suppose. I'm not the one who's saying God exists btw.

I just read Riiser's post, and he/she brings up a good point.

Alright, I'll change that to

"I predict that God exists because _________________________"

Fill in the blank.

Here's my problem:
So what I'm told is that, it's ''magic'' is a valid answer? In that case all biological evidence of people not coming back to life is false when it comes to vampires, vampires are real, because they are ''supernatural''. If a person makes a claim about God, and it doesn't have to be Scientific, then how does this work with burden of proof?

[Riiser-Larsen]

You haven't demonstrated any coherency problems at all. I see no reason why an omnipotent, omniscient, anthropocentric God unbounded by physical laws would not create and guide our universe through the physical laws and phenomena we know of. He certainly was not bound to do so, but neither have you presented any compelling reason why He would not do so.

The Christian God, in most of the interpretations of it, centers his every action on the human species, allegedly with benevolent intent. This God is claimed to be omnipotent, omniscient, just and (mostly) truthful.

He allegedly cares about or well-being. Yet he provides us with a Universe filled to the brim with useless (and deadly) space and phenomena, not to mention arbitrariously feeble bodies. If human beings are God's 'favorites', why are so many of our physical traits inferior to those of other species? Our eyesight is surpassed by that of many predators, as are our olfatory sense and our hearing. Our legs can only make us so fast. Our teeth and fingernails are useless against most preys and predators. Our brains often conceal information from us, or outright lie to us. We speak, breath and eat through the same orifice. We get rid of bodily waste and reproduce with practically the same organs.

What justification would any deity that is so concerned with our species' well-being have for such inadequate bodies and equally inadequate enviroments? What justification would such a deity have for the Big Bang, the formation of planets, abiogenesis or the evolutionary process?

Beyond that, just because something would explain a process, does not mean that it is the only explanation for said process. Of course an omnipotent god could feasibly create the universe. Does that mean that the only explanation for the universe is an omnipotent being? No!

[Dangelia]

Evolution coincides with the bible, science and religion work together.

[Chinese Regions]

Picspam is against forum rules.

How is 1 pic in a post spamming?

Time to end this.
Creationists, what political party in Germany used this symbol?

[Liriena]

Well i am actually mixed about it.

I believe that it happened, but it was created by God.
So i believe that Evolution was created by God, but this is just my personal opinion, not trying to say my way it right, just stating my opinion.

*passes the hot potato* Now the burden of proof is on you. Have fun.

[Volnotova]

Stop lying.

Page 3, it has been said and linked many times before.

I'm not lying. You just accuse me directly due to the fact that I don't belive in Evolution. If you want me to read it so bad, bring it up for me. I'm not wasting my time looking for that thing.

It's at the top of page 3.

[Mavorpen]

Gladly. Provide scientific existence God exists please.

No no, back up a step. Start them at the beginning.

They first must provide a testable hypothesis of God.

They don't even have to provide evidence yet. They just have to provide a hypothesis which lays out how we might go about COLLECTING evidence. So far they haven't even done that, so don't skip ahead to the evidence part.

My mistake.

[Liriena]

Evolution coincides with the bible, science and religion work together.

Another hot potato coming right up!

*gives hot potato*

Now the burden of proof is on you as well.

[Threlizdun]

Of course, I accept reality.

[The Architect (Ancient)]

I believe it. But I don't believe we evolved from any type of monkey or apes. I believe we evolved separately, on our own timeline.

[Dangelia]

Evolution coincides with the bible, science and religion work together.

Another hot potato coming right up!

*gives hot potato*

Now the burden of proof is on you as well.

They work together, they coincide.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

I believe it. But I don't believe we evolved from any type of monkey or apes. I believe we evolved separately, on our own timeline.

From what?

[Utceforp]

Another hot potato coming right up!

*gives hot potato*

Now the burden of proof is on you as well.

They work together, they coincide.

You're repeating yourself.

Evolution coincides with the bible, science and religion work together.