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Neoconstantius
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Postby Neoconstantius » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:03 am

Genivaria wrote:
The Tovian Way wrote:
Are you here claiming that the current scientific consensus is that the theory of evolution is incompatible with the claim that God exists and guided the direction of evolution?

The current scientific consensus is that God is not required.

That's not the "scientific consensus" I encountered in any of my biology/evolution/microbiology/anatomy/physiology/rheumatology/ courses. Who are you to speak definitively on scientific consensus? Are you in the field? The reality is there is no consensus as there is no evidence one way or another, there can be no scientific opinion on the matter.
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Postby Bentrada » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:03 am

Aquafireland wrote:
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...Say books written by humans.

Let me auto-correct that for you. I think you meant to say written by God.



Why would a perfect god create an imperfect Qur'an?
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Postby The Truth and Light » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:03 am

Aquafireland wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
...Say books written by humans.

Let me auto-correct that for you. I think you meant to say written by God.

I know several theologians and Biblical scholars on the forum who would disagree with you.

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Postby Ethan Foley » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:04 am

Yes I am aware of evolution. God did not just create us all. If you think he did, give me proof.
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Postby Neoconstantius » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:04 am

NEO Rome Republic wrote:Reason to not believe in God:Poor Design along with, Occams Razor.

Poor design? Of what, humans? Nature? The universe?
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Postby Aquafireland » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:04 am

The Truth and Light wrote:
Neoconstantius wrote:There is no reason to believe it is not.

Lack of evidence? The fact that god is not needed?

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Poor Design.

That too. God is a shoddy designer and an asshole.

You think God is an as whole? Please, enlighten me with all the other things He does that have negative effect.
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Postby Conscentia » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:04 am

The Truth and Light wrote:
Aquafireland wrote:Let me auto-correct that for you. I think you meant to say written by God.

I know several theologians and Biblical scholars on the forum who would disagree with you.

:palm: He's a Muslim.
The Qur'an is the book here - not the Bible.
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Postby Of Nation » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:04 am

Aquafireland wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
...Say books written by humans.

Let me auto-correct that for you. I think you meant to say written by God.


Ya such a jalous and angry god, saying that you sould not believe in other god. The way is written is more by a human who try to keep the power.
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Postby Des-Bal » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:05 am

Neoconstantius wrote:That's not the "scientific consensus" I encountered in any of my biology/evolution/microbiology/anatomy/physiology/rheumatology/ courses. Who are you to speak definitively on scientific consensus? Are you in the field? The reality is there is no consensus as there is no evidence one way or another, there can be no scientific opinion on the matter.


Yes there is. "There is no evidence to suggest this is necessary" is a consensus.

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Postby Conscentia » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:05 am

Bentrada wrote:
Aquafireland wrote:Let me auto-correct that for you. I think you meant to say written by God.

Why would a perfect god create an imperfect bible?

* Qur'an.

Not everyone is a Christian.
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Postby The Truth and Light » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:05 am

Conscentia wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:I know several theologians and Biblical scholars on the forum who would disagree with you.

:palm: He's a Muslim.
The Qur'an is the book here - not the Bible.

Oh well. You win some, you lose some.

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Postby The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:05 am

Aquafireland wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
...Say books written by humans.

Let me auto-correct that for you. I think you meant to say written by God.

If that was the truth (Adam and Eve) wed all have four ears, five legs and two heads, because of incest.
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Postby The Tovian Way » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:05 am

Genivaria wrote:
The Tovian Way wrote:


Exactly, the existence or guidance of God in evolution is unaddressed by the theory of evolution, neither the claim that He does exist and did so intervene, nor the claim that He does not exist or that He did not so intervene. Those who hold to the theory of evolution are therefore free to claim either that God exists and guided evolution or that He does not exist or did not guide evolution, as the theory itself makes no claims contradicting either.
Thus, the proponent of theistic evolution is in no way in violation of the scientific consensus.

Either prove it or stop trying to dishonestly shoe horn your god in.


Ah, but you will note that I did not claim that the participation of God in the mechanism of evolution was provable, or that it was provable through the scientific process, or that it was provable through the specific theory of evolution. I need not make such a claim.
All I need do is show that, as regards the theory of evolution, no claim is made either way as to the existence and direction of God. Therefore, both those who believe that evolution was initiated by God and guided by him, and those who do not so believe, are equally faithful to the theory of evolution itself. The proponent of unguided evolution not initiated by an external power is in no better standing as regards the theory of evolution as is the proponent of theistic evolution.
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Postby Aquafireland » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:06 am

Ethan Foley wrote:Yes I am aware of evolution. God did not just create us all. If you think he did, give me proof.

It says so in numerous religious books in the world.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:06 am

Aquafireland wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
...Say books written by humans.

Let me auto-correct that for you. I think you meant to say written by God.

Either it was written by men or your god is an idiot.
That's the only way to explain how wrong it is.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:06 am

State of the Church wrote:
Britcan wrote:Yes, beyond all reasonable doubt.


That's all theory. Just as Creationism.

It's not a matter of reason, it's a matter of personal tendence.

Scholasticism is not the only way to reach the truth.


Creationism is not a Scientific theory. Please learn the difference between a layman's definition of theory and a Scientific one. http://www.livescience.com/21491-what-i ... heory.html
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Postby New Phyrreus » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:07 am

The guy asked a QUESTION, he didn't ask to force your views on anyone else.

If you disagree with the theory of evolution please SAY SO
If you do agree with the theory of evolution, please SAY SO
NOTHING ELSE

I happen to agree with the theory of evolution, and I don't believe in creationism
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Postby Des-Bal » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:07 am

Aquafireland wrote:It says so in numerous religious books in the world.


Numerous contradictory religious books. If it's just the bulk of books that matters and not any actual evidence then you just proved elves, dragons, fairies, and interdimensional travel all exist.

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Postby Aquafireland » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:07 am

The Armed Republic of Dutch coolness wrote:
Aquafireland wrote:Let me auto-correct that for you. I think you meant to say written by God.

If that was the truth (Adam and Eve) wed all have four ears, five legs and two heads, because of incest.

That is exactly why some people are disabled. Think outside the box.
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Postby Releign » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:08 am

Why do we bother attempting to find out where we came from?
Unless you invent a time machine and follow EVERY POSSIBLE SPECIES that could have made us we will never know! So, again, it is pointless to debate.
For all we know we sprung out of a hole in the ground or just grew from a corn plant, I don't know.
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Postby Ethan Foley » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:08 am

Aquafireland wrote:
Ethan Foley wrote:Yes I am aware of evolution. God did not just create us all. If you think he did, give me proof.

It says so in numerous religious books in the world.


"It says so in numerous books". Okay, no. No. If i wrote 5 books about how Lee Harvey Oswald was a women, does that automatically make him a women? If I wrote 5 books saying God doesn't exist, does that automatically mean God doesn't exist? On your logic, yes.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:08 am

Aquafireland wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:Lack of evidence? The fact that god is not needed?


That too. God is a shoddy designer and an asshole.

You think God is an as whole? Please, enlighten me with all the other things He does that have negative effect.

Doing things requires existence. It doesn't.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:08 am

Neoconstantius wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:Reason to not believe in God:Poor Design along with, Occams Razor.

Poor design? Of what, humans? Nature? The universe?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_poor_design
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Postby Conscentia » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:08 am

Neoconstantius wrote:
Genivaria wrote:The current scientific consensus is that God is not required.

That's not the "scientific consensus" I encountered in any of my biology/evolution/microbiology/anatomy/physiology/rheumatology/ courses. Who are you to speak definitively on scientific consensus? Are you in the field? The reality is there is no consensus as there is no evidence one way or another, there can be no scientific opinion on the matter.

http://www.null-hypothesis.co.uk/science//item/what_is_a_null_hypothesis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_hypothesis

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Postby Des-Bal » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:08 am

New Phyrreus wrote:The guy asked a QUESTION, he didn't ask to force your views on anyone else.

If you disagree with the theory of evolution please SAY SO
If you do agree with the theory of evolution, please SAY SO
NOTHING ELSE

I happen to agree with the theory of evolution, and I don't believe in creationism
(NOW HOW HARD WAS THAT?)


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