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Postby Cill Airne » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:43 am

Ifreann wrote:
Cill Airne wrote:Essentially that religious teachings about God are compatible with the modern scientific understanding about biological evolution.

Oh yes, so long as we have gaps in our knowledge some people will squeeze a deity into them.

I was a theist long before I knew what evolution was, when I finally began to take biology classes I realised that evolution aptly describes what takes place in the Book of Genesis, and that neither contradict each other so I see no reason why I cannot support evolution and continue my religious practice.
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Postby West Angola » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:44 am

Soltirea wrote:Actually, I'm more of a Lab rat theorist. Because its impossible for us to be the only intelligent beings in the universe, so I believe we were left here in more primal forms and evolved from their, and the one's who left us here, came by every so often to see how the experiment was going, thus we seen them as gods and eventually religion formed from worshiping them.

And do all of them have massive inferiority complexes, and thus attempt to convince us all that they are the only one of their kind?
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Postby Conscentia » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:44 am

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Conscentia wrote:So what do you mean when you say "theistic evolution"?

Essentially that religious teachings about God are compatible with the modern scientific understanding about biological evolution.

Do you believe that god intervened at any point in the evolutionary process by initiating it or directing it?
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Postby Kaesar the invincible » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:45 am

of course I dont!
I accept it as scientific truth there is no such thing as "believing in gravity" after all
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Postby Uieurnthlaal » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:45 am

I don't belive in Evolution. Evolution believes in me.
I have no idea what that's supposed to mean, but it sounds deep and philosophical.
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Postby Conscentia » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:46 am

Marquette of Pacific wrote:
Desperauex wrote:This is old, and I'm agnostic but I have one thing to observe:
State your proof.
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Yeah I don't recall the Bible EVER Saying that they were made form dirt.... *whips out Bible*

Aquafireland is a Muslim. He is referencing the Qur'an. Not the Bible.

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Postby Kantria » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:46 am

No. I don't "believe" in it; I accept it as by far the best scientific explanation for speciation on Earth. If the evidence is refuted, I might change my mind.
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Postby Des-Bal » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:47 am

Evolution is observably true, we can literally watch it happen. It should not be up for debate. Chuckie D didn't even discover it we've known about evolution for a long ass time. Probably before written history actually. We understood evolution so well that we artificially reproduced it, we artificially selected for characteristics we liked in livestock and crops.

Believing in evolution requires only that you believe 1) things that help you survive will help you survive, 2) it's hard to fuck when you're dead, 3) mutations exist, and 4) heredity is a thing. The only conceivable way you could not believe in evolution is that you do not believe in one of those core concepts.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:49 am

Marquette of Pacific wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Your belief is wrong, since the Theory of Evolution has absolutely nothing to do with God.


Whoa whoa whoa let's not judge or tell people their beliefs are wrong.

You can coddle people who believe counter-factual things. I won't.
Personally, I've heard the "God put evolution into motion" thing thousands of times and I despise that belief, but I'm not saying its wrong, I just don't have any proof for or against it.

I will freely and loudly admit that I was wrong if someone can show me where God fits into the modern Theory of Evolution. Not their personal beliefs, the actual, current explanation accepted by the scientific community.
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Postby Conscentia » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:49 am

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Conscentia wrote:All humans are apes.

Humans (Homo sapiens) are primates of the family Hominidae (Great apes), and the only extant species of the genus Homo.

And we made good and sure that we are the only extant species of the Homo genus, we genocided all of our a fellow Homo somethings. So every single human on earth is here today because their earliest ancestor took a rock to some ones else head better than that someone else could do to them. humans demented version of survival of the fittest, got to love it. [...]

This is a inaccurate view of history.

Homo Sapiens survived while Homo Neanderthalensis did not because Neanderthalensis had inferior social skills and shorter childhoods.
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Postby Furious Grandmothers » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:49 am

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Aquafireland wrote:Not one bit. God created us, and that's about it.


Exactly, and there's not even any proof anyways. You science folks say there is "evidence" because you can trace fossils to billions of years ago, but how can you possibly know that? Even with your high-tech computers and such, it's impossible to know how old something is just by testing its DNA or using a fancy computer.

But once you have other tools, it's well possible to do so to a good degree of accuracy and confidence. Which we do.
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Postby Cill Airne » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:49 am

Conscentia wrote:
Cill Airne wrote:Essentially that religious teachings about God are compatible with the modern scientific understanding about biological evolution.

Do you believe that God intervened at any point in the evolutionary process by initiating it or directing it?

I accept that evolution occurred as biologists describe it, but under the direction of God. I know that differs dysteleological evolution, which is largely held by most of the scientific community. However, that does not make it any less evolution, simply a different view on the same theory. And in my college Biology Class we were required to go over theistic evolution the same as dysteleological evolution.
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Postby Merriwhether » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:50 am

Cill Airne wrote:
Conscentia wrote:So what do you mean when you say "theistic evolution"?

Essentially that religious teachings about God are compatible with the modern scientific understanding about biological evolution.


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Postby Of Nation » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:52 am

Conscentia wrote:
Alidina wrote:And we made good and sure that we are the only extant species of the Homo genus, we genocided all of our a fellow Homo somethings. So every single human on earth is here today because their earliest ancestor took a rock to some ones else head better than that someone else could do to them. humans demented version of survival of the fittest, got to love it. [...]

This is a inaccurate view of history.

Homo Sapiens survived while Homo Neanderthalensis did not because Neanderthalensis had inferior social skills and shorter childhoods.


For be more exact, the Homo Neanderthalensis did not disapear, he rather been incorporated in the Homo Sapiens, if I can say it that way.
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Postby Conscentia » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:53 am

Cill Airne wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Do you believe that God intervened at any point in the evolutionary process by initiating it or directing it?

I accept that evolution occurred as biologists describe it, but under the direction of God. I know that differs dysteleological evolution, which is largely held by most of the scientific community. However, that does not make it any less evolution, simply a different view on the same theory. And in my college Biology Class we were required to go over theistic evolution the same as dysteleological evolution.

So you do reject the scientific consensus.

Your teachers should be punished. Theology does not belong in Biology.

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Postby Genivaria » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:53 am

I see the evolution deniers are as unwilling to look at the evidence as ever.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:54 am

Cill Airne wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Do you believe that God intervened at any point in the evolutionary process by initiating it or directing it?

I accept that evolution occurred as biologists describe it, but under the direction of God.

Which is not how biologists describe it occurring...
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Of Nation wrote:
Conscentia wrote:This is a inaccurate view of history.
Homo Sapiens survived while Homo Neanderthalensis did not because Neanderthalensis had inferior social skills and shorter childhoods.

For be more exact, the Homo Neanderthalensis did not disapear, he rather been incorporated in the Homo Sapiens, if I can say it that way.

Very little of our DNA derives from Neanderthals. They were not incorporated.

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Conscentia wrote:
Cill Airne wrote:I accept that evolution occurred as biologists describe it, but under the direction of God. I know that differs dysteleological evolution, which is largely held by most of the scientific community. However, that does not make it any less evolution, simply a different view on the same theory. And in my college Biology Class we were required to go over theistic evolution the same as dysteleological evolution.

So you do reject the scientific consensus.

Your teachers should be punished. Theology does not belong in Biology.


Are you here claiming that the current scientific consensus is that the theory of evolution is incompatible with the claim that God exists and guided the direction of evolution?
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Of Nation wrote:For be more exact, the Homo Neanderthalensis did not disapear, he rather been incorporated in the Homo Sapiens, if I can say it that way.

Very little of our DNA derives from Neanderthals. They were not incorporated.

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Postby Layfet » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:56 am

Defiantly, We evolved from a Common Ancestor with Apes/lemers/monkeys, I do believe in God, so this I call Pre-Adamic man.
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Postby Vazeckta » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:56 am

Marquette of Pacific wrote:
Desperauex wrote:This is old, and I'm agnostic but I have one thing to observe:
State your proof.

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The Bible says so
My Priest Says so.



Yeah I don't recall the Bible EVER Saying that they were made form dirt.... *whips out Bible*

Genesis 2:7 "God formed man from the dust of the ground..."
I just interpreted that as man came from what was already here as in the primates from which we evolved.
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Postby Cill Airne » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:56 am

Conscentia wrote:
Cill Airne wrote:I accept that evolution occurred as biologists describe it, but under the direction of God. I know that differs dysteleological evolution, which is largely held by most of the scientific community. However, that does not make it any less evolution, simply a different view on the same theory. And in my college Biology Class we were required to go over theistic evolution the same as dysteleological evolution.

So you do reject the scientific consensus.

Your teachers should be punished. Theology does not belong in Biology.

It wasn't a teacher's decision, it was the university's. This is verbatum what the course syllibi said, "as a theory there are multiple varying views in regards to evolution. As such teaching dysteleological/atheistic evolution is not acceptable as it is not the only accepted view within the scientific community. Theistic evolution will be covered during the course on evolution."

And do you know how it was covered? "To some, God is the reason evolution occurred. Time to move on." Why? Because that is quite literally the only thing that changes between theistic and dysteleological evolution. One asserts that God initiated evolution and the other asserts that it occurred naturally/by other means.
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Postby Britcan » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:56 am

Conscentia wrote:
Of Nation wrote:For be more exact, the Homo Neanderthalensis did not disapear, he rather been incorporated in the Homo Sapiens, if I can say it that way.

Very little of our DNA derives from Neanderthals. They were not incorporated.

It's something like 2~4% right?

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Postby Conscentia » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:57 am

The Tovian Way wrote:
Conscentia wrote:So you do reject the scientific consensus.
Your teachers should be punished. Theology does not belong in Biology.

Are you here claiming that the current scientific consensus is that the theory of evolution is incompatible with the claim that God exists and guided the direction of evolution?

God plays no part in the scientific consensus.

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