Homosexuality a trend?

[Riiser-Larsen]

The real question we should be discussing is whether the OP means a trend as in a data trend plotted against time, or a hip, jive, edgy trend. And whether he means cases of out-of-the-closet homosexuality, or just general homosexuality.

What I got from it was saying that homosexuality seems more common because people think that it's "cool". This goes back to the whole "Homosexuality being a choice versus being genetic."

[Pandeeria]

The real question we should be discussing is whether the OP means a trend as in a data trend plotted against time, or a hip, jive, edgy trend. And whether he means cases of out-of-the-closet homosexuality, or just general homosexuality.

I vote for hip and edgy, and it sounded like he meant homosexuality in general to me.

Same here.

[Rawrckia]

It brings me laughter

I always find the slippery slope to bestiality argument hilarious because it makes me think that Republicans secretly want to have sex with their dogs.

Whoa, suddenly I'm a Republican? And I never said anything about animals, nor will I.

Man -> Woman marriage: 2 consenting parties
Man -> Man marriage: 2 consenting parties
Man -> Sister marriage: 2 consenting parties
Man -> Girl marriage (think age 10-12, stable mind, mentally similar to an adult): 2 consenting parties
Man -> Horse marriage: No idea if the horse is consenting. We cannot yet communicate effectively with animals. In the future however this might become realistic.

Why is Man -> Child marriage so "slippery slope" to you? People have willingly married their children to older spouses for ages.

And should the mentally handicapped not be able to marry at all? Is there a lower limit on IQ for people to marry? Do you need to take some sort of logic test to marry? Adults with lower IQ are mentally children, if not less intelligent than children.

Was Forrest Gump really about statuatory rape?

Also don't bring "the UN is our all-knowing Lord" into this, I'm from a country which has been repeatedly denied UN membership.

[New haven america]

I always find the slippery slope to bestiality argument hilarious because it makes me think that Republicans secretly want to have sex with their dogs.

Whoa, suddenly I'm a Republican? And I never said anything about animals, nor will I.

Man -> Woman marriage: 2 consenting parties
Man -> Man marriage: 2 consenting parties
Man -> Sister marriage: 2 consenting parties
Man -> Girl marriage (think age 10-12, stable mind, mentally similar to an adult): 2 consenting parties
Man -> Horse marriage: No idea if the horse is consenting. We cannot yet communicate effectively with animals. In the future however this might become realistic.

Why is Man -> Child marriage so "slippery slope" to you? People have willingly married their children to older spouses for ages.

And should the mentally handicapped not be able to marry at all? Is there a lower limit on IQ for people to marry? Do you need to take some sort of logic test to marry? Adults with lower IQ are mentally children, if not less intelligent than children.

Please say something smart.

[The Merchant Republics]

It does according to some metrics however. Specifically the one's that were being referred to, and such was why I felt compelled to clarify how both sides were arguing over something that at it's core is due to using two vastly different models with similar terminology.

No, it only applies so if it's used in a manner to promote social or economic equality. Planned economies to promote inequality aren't leftist by any means. But I digress.

The crux of my point being that: people tend to define what is "left" and what is "right" very differently, and no side is perfectly correct on the matter since from the very beginning the terms have been borrowed to the support of many different political theories.

But lest we toss over this any further, let me offer up my usual olive branch of: "Marvopen we can't even agree to disagree on things; should we really waste each others time any further." but this time I'll sweeten it with the power of music.

Anyways. Homosexuality = Not a Trend.
Girls kissing each other at parties and pretending to be lesbians to attract male attention = Trend.

The former is perfectly alright, the latter is mildly revolting.

Give the latter to Olthar.

I'm not sure I can. But she's welcome to them?

[Genivaria]

I always find the slippery slope to bestiality argument hilarious because it makes me think that Republicans secretly want to have sex with their dogs.

Whoa, suddenly I'm a Republican? And I never said anything about animals, nor will I.

Man -> Woman marriage: 2 consenting parties
Man -> Man marriage: 2 consenting parties
Man -> Sister marriage: 2 consenting parties
Man -> Girl marriage (think age 10-12, stable mind, mentally similar to an adult): 2 consenting parties
Man -> Horse marriage: No idea if the horse is consenting. We cannot yet communicate effectively with animals. In the future however this might become realistic.

Why is Man -> Child marriage so "slippery slope" to you? People have willingly married their children to older spouses for ages.

And should the mentally handicapped not be able to marry at all? Is there a lower limit on IQ for people to marry? Do you need to take some sort of logic test to marry? Adults with lower IQ are mentally children, if not less intelligent than children.

Was Forrest Gump really about statuatory rape?

People have willingly married their children to older spouses for ages.

You're not listening. I don't give a rat's ass what has happened in history. It's not an argument.
Consenting, Adults. End of discussion.

[Pandeeria]

I always find the slippery slope to bestiality argument hilarious because it makes me think that Republicans secretly want to have sex with their dogs.

Whoa, suddenly I'm a Republican? And I never said anything about animals, nor will I.

Man -> Woman marriage: 2 consenting parties
Man -> Man marriage: 2 consenting parties
Man -> Sister marriage: 2 consenting parties
Man -> Girl marriage (think age 10-12, stable mind, mentally similar to an adult): 2 consenting parties
Man -> Horse marriage: No idea if the horse is consenting. We cannot yet communicate effectively with animals. In the future however this might become realistic.

Why is Man -> Child marriage so "slippery slope" to you? People have willingly married their children to older spouses for ages.

And should the mentally handicapped not be able to marry at all? Is there a lower limit on IQ for people to marry? Do you need to take some sort of logic test to marry? Adults with lower IQ are mentally children, if not less intelligent than children.

Was Forrest Gump really about statuatory rape?

Children are not legally adults! They therefore cannot consent to marriage, sex, etc. is it really that hard?

And while some adults have the mentality of children, they are legally adults. We aren't talking on a biological level, not a conceptual level, we are talking about on a legal level that children are not adults. Ok?

[Mavorpen]

Man -> Girl marriage (think age 10-12, stable mind, mentally similar to an adult): 2 consenting parties

No, they aren't fucking consenting.

Man -> Horse marriage: No idea if the horse is consenting. We cannot yet communicate effectively with animals. In the future however this might become realistic.

No. Again, communication is NOT consent.

Why is Man -> Child marriage so "slippery slope" to you? People have willingly married their children to older spouses for ages.

Because one doesn't necessarily lead to another.

And should the mentally handicapped not be able to marry at all? Is there a lower limit on IQ for people to marry? Do you need to take some sort of logic test to marry? Adults with lower IQ are mentally children, if not less intelligent than children.

Was Forrest Gump really about statuatory rape?

Thank you for confirming you STILL don't know what consent is.

[Riiser-Larsen]

I always find the slippery slope to bestiality argument hilarious because it makes me think that Republicans secretly want to have sex with their dogs.

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Man -> Sister marriage: 2 consenting parties
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Incest is not illegal because they don't think the two parties can consent, it's illegal because it often results in birth defects. It has to do with genetics, and it's really hard to explain. At the simplest, two similar genomes (like those in siblings) are not supposed to combine, or they will cause mutations.

[Anachronous Rex]

If it was possible to simply choose to be homosexual, I would do so.

Despite my best efforts, I cannot find men sexually attractive.

[The Parkus Empire]

I always find the slippery slope to bestiality argument hilarious because it makes me think that Republicans secretly want to have sex with their dogs.

Whoa, suddenly I'm a Republican? And I never said anything about animals, nor will I.

Man -> Woman marriage: 2 consenting parties
Man -> Man marriage: 2 consenting parties
Man -> Sister marriage: 2 consenting parties
Man -> Girl marriage (think age 10-12, stable mind, mentally similar to an adult): 2 consenting parties
Man -> Horse marriage: No idea if the horse is consenting. We cannot yet communicate effectively with animals. In the future however this might become realistic.

Why is Man -> Child marriage so "slippery slope" to you? People have willingly married their children to older spouses for ages.

And should the mentally handicapped not be able to marry at all? Is there a lower limit on IQ for people to marry? Do you need to take some sort of logic test to marry? Adults with lower IQ are mentally children, if not less intelligent than children.

Was Forrest Gump really about statuatory rape?

Well if he can serve in the military.... But it certainly looked like she took his consent for granted, so yeah, definitely rapish, although not in the statutory sense.

[Mavorpen]

The crux of my point being that: people tend to define what is "left" and what is "right" very differently, and no side is perfectly correct on the matter since from the very beginning the terms have been borrowed to the support of many different ideas.

But lest we toss over this any further, let me offer up my usual olive branch of: "Marvopen we can't even agree to disagree on things; should we really waste each others time any further." but this time I'll sweeten it with the power of music.

Which is why I brought the GENERAL definition of liberalism which encompasses the entirety of the ideology, namely social equality. You can't really make up definitions and then say, "well, we can define it how we like!" But I guess we do have to agree to disagree.

[Rawrckia]

Whoa, suddenly I'm a Republican? And I never said anything about animals, nor will I.

Man -> Woman marriage: 2 consenting parties
Man -> Man marriage: 2 consenting parties
Man -> Sister marriage: 2 consenting parties
Man -> Girl marriage (think age 10-12, stable mind, mentally similar to an adult): 2 consenting parties
Man -> Horse marriage: No idea if the horse is consenting. We cannot yet communicate effectively with animals. In the future however this might become realistic.

Why is Man -> Child marriage so "slippery slope" to you? People have willingly married their children to older spouses for ages.

And should the mentally handicapped not be able to marry at all? Is there a lower limit on IQ for people to marry? Do you need to take some sort of logic test to marry? Adults with lower IQ are mentally children, if not less intelligent than children.

Please say something smart.

"Please say something smart"
This means you have no argument.

Also, I'd like to kindly remind you that you are 14 years old. You are in middle school, and suddenly you understand consent from an adult's perspective.

[Threlizdun]

Man -> Woman marriage: 2 consenting parties
Man -> Man marriage: 2 consenting parties
Man -> Sister marriage: 2 consenting parties
Man -> Girl marriage (think age 10-12, stable mind, mentally similar to an adult): 2 consenting parties
Man -> Horse marriage: No idea if the horse is consenting. We cannot yet communicate effectively with animals. In the future however this might become realistic.

Why is Man -> Child marriage so "slippery slope" to you? People have willingly married their children to older spouses for ages.

Yes people have married off their children to others. Notice that it is others marrying the children off, not the children finding someone, falling in love, and chosing to marry them.

And should the mentally handicapped not be able to marry at all? Is there a lower limit on IQ for people to marry? Do you need to take some sort of logic test to marry? Adults with lower IQ are mentally children, if not less intelligent than children.

Those that can be verified by a mental health professional to be incapable of giving consent should not be permitted to be married, as they cannot consent to it. It would take a rather severe mental handicap to do this though.

[Rawrckia]

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Man -> Sister marriage: 2 consenting parties
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Incest is not illegal because they don't think the two parties can consent, it's illegal because it often results in birth defects. It has to do with genetics, and it's really hard to explain. At the simplest, two similar genomes (like those in siblings) are not supposed to combine, or they will cause mutations.

And homosexuals have a much, much higher STD transmission rate. Add in that bisexualism is a thing and suddenly you have a problem.

"Homosexuals can use protection"

So can incestuous couples.

[Genivaria]

Please say something smart.

"Please say something smart"
This means you have no argument.

Also, I'd like to kindly remind you that you are 14 years old. You are in middle school, and suddenly you understand consent from an adult's perspective.

If you actually address what we're saying instead of being so fucking obtuse then maybe you'd get more respect.

[Anachronous Rex]

Please say something smart.

"Please say something smart"
This means you have no argument.

Also, I'd like to kindly remind you that you are 14 years old. You are in middle school, and suddenly you understand consent from an adult's perspective.

Actually that was an ad hominem. You were wrong because you yourself are deficient in some capacity.

There's a sort of irony in your failure to properly identify that.

[The Parkus Empire]

Incest is not illegal because they don't think the two parties can consent, it's illegal because it often results in birth defects. It has to do with genetics, and it's really hard to explain. At the simplest, two similar genomes (like those in siblings) are not supposed to combine, or they will cause mutations.

And homosexuals have a much, much higher STD transmission rate. Add in that bisexualism is a thing and suddenly you have a problem.

"Homosexuals can use protection"

So can incestuous couples.

So can people over forty

[Pandeeria]

Incest is not illegal because they don't think the two parties can consent, it's illegal because it often results in birth defects. It has to do with genetics, and it's really hard to explain. At the simplest, two similar genomes (like those in siblings) are not supposed to combine, or they will cause mutations.

And homosexuals have a much, much higher STD transmission rate. Add in that bisexualism is a thing and suddenly you have a problem.

"Homosexuals can use protection"

So can incestuous couples.

Incestuous couples can also take the morning after pill and abort.

[Riiser-Larsen]

Incest is not illegal because they don't think the two parties can consent, it's illegal because it often results in birth defects. It has to do with genetics, and it's really hard to explain. At the simplest, two similar genomes (like those in siblings) are not supposed to combine, or they will cause mutations.

And homosexuals have a much, much higher STD transmission rate. Add in that bisexualism is a thing and suddenly you have a problem.

"Homosexuals can use protection"

So can incestuous couples.

The only reason they have a higher STD transmission rate is because they didn't use condoms. They didn't know about STDs twenty years ago, so there was no reason for homosexuals to use condoms; they had no reason to prevent birth. No we actually know that condoms can prevent STD transmissions. It's different with incest. incest is dangerous specifically because it results in birth defects. Sure, you can tell incestuous couples that they can't have children, but if they want to have children, what are the odds that you can stop them? Are you going to sit in their house and watch them all day to make sure they don't go "bare-back"?

[Mavorpen]

Incest is not illegal because they don't think the two parties can consent, it's illegal because it often results in birth defects. It has to do with genetics, and it's really hard to explain. At the simplest, two similar genomes (like those in siblings) are not supposed to combine, or they will cause mutations.

And homosexuals have a much, much higher STD transmission rate. Add in that bisexualism is a thing and suddenly you have a problem.

"Homosexuals can use protection"

So can incestuous couples.

You can solve the STD problem with giving them contraception. You can't solve the birth defect problem with contraception.

[Anachronous Rex]

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Man -> Sister marriage: 2 consenting parties
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Incest is not illegal because they don't think the two parties can consent, it's illegal because it often results in birth defects. It has to do with genetics, and it's really hard to explain. At the simplest, two similar genomes (like those in siblings) are not supposed to combine, or they will cause mutations.

Not really.

Mind you, marriage does not necessitate procreation, and one does not need to be married to have children. You can knock-up your sister and, provided she consents and is of legal age, that would be totally legal.

The truth is there isn't any real legal grounds for prohibiting sibling marriage, other then that people find it icky and no one is really pushing for it.

[New haven america]

Please say something smart.

"Please say something smart"
This means you have no argument.

Also, I'd like to kindly remind you that you are 14 years old. You are in middle school, and suddenly you understand consent from an adult's perspective.

Children aren't old enough to give consent, if you marry someone under 18, or two people under 18 get married in the US, It's illegal.
I don't give a fuck what happened in history, we're not in the 15th century anymore.
The IQ thing, they are adults over 18, they can consent.
No, I'm not in middle school, I'm an HS Sophomore and making a better argument than you.
Anything else you want?

[The Scientific States]

Homosexuality a trend? Yeah, that's bullshit.

[Pandeeria]

Homosexuality a trend? Yeah, that's bullshit.

^This pretty much sums the answer up^