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Homosexuality A Trend?

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Postby Threlizdun » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:02 pm

Rawrckia wrote:Gay marriage isn't a human right, and if people don't want it in their country they're free to vote so. Though I do agree that penalties for just being gay are backwards and should be abolished. Hopefully the Pope and UN will try to propagate this message.
Yes, same-sex marriage is a human right, because marriage is a right all people have and homosexuals are people. No, the fact that people are free to deprive others of their ability to marry the person they love does not mean that is okay.
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Postby The Merchant Republics » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:02 pm

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Postby Rawrckia » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:03 pm

New haven america wrote:
Rawrckia wrote:
Gay marriage isn't a human right, and if people don't want it in their country they're free to vote so. Though I do agree that penalties for just being gay are backwards and should be abolished. Hopefully the Pope and UN will try to propagate this message.

Yes it is a human right. :palm: :palm:


Marriage is a human right?
Should we legalize polygamy, child marriage, and marriage between siblings as well? I mean both parties are consenting.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:03 pm

Rawrckia wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:]Homosexuality still carries the death penalty in seven countries, is illegal in many more, and only carries marriage equality in a small handful. Awareness is still needed. We do not want to feel special, we want to be accepted as equals.


Gay marriage isn't a human right, and if people don't want it in their country they're free to vote so. Though I do agree that penalties for just being gay are backwards and should be abolished. Hopefully the Pope and UN will try to propagate this message.

Marriage is a human right.
Ask the UN.
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Postby Pavlostani » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:03 pm

Divair wrote:No.
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:03 pm

Rawrckia wrote:
New haven america wrote:Yes it is a human right. :palm: :palm:


Marriage is a human right?
Should we legalize polygamy,

Yes.
Rawrckia wrote:child marriage,

Children cannot consent.
Rawrckia wrote:and marriage between siblings as well? I mean both parties are consenting.

Yes.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:04 pm

Rawrckia wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:]Homosexuality still carries the death penalty in seven countries, is illegal in many more, and only carries marriage equality in a small handful. Awareness is still needed. We do not want to feel special, we want to be accepted as equals.


Gay marriage isn't a human right, and if people don't want it in their country they're free to vote so. Though I do agree that penalties for just being gay are backwards and should be abolished. Hopefully the Pope and UN will try to propagate this message.

Oh, this shit again.

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Postby The Merchant Republics » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:04 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The Merchant Republics wrote:
Pol-Pot, Stalin and Mao very well might.

Dictators, famously have a disdain for educating people. Unless of course it is re-educating them.

Hitler's economics were left (planned-free) and his politics were right (revolutionary-reactionary)

Holy fuck, stop threadjacking.


First of all. Don't cut off my statements, especially in ways that make it look as though I was saying something else.

Second of all. Agreed, it is threadjacking. I'm sorry. I just have to be a nag about clarifying things sometimes.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:05 pm

Rawrckia wrote:
New haven america wrote:Yes it is a human right. :palm: :palm:


Marriage is a human right?
Should we legalize polygamy, child marriage, and marriage between siblings as well? I mean both parties are consenting.

Do you understand the concept of consent?
Yes or no.
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:05 pm

The Merchant Republics wrote:First of all. Don't cut off my statements, especially in ways that make it look as though I was saying something else.

Second of all. Agreed, it is threadjacking. I'm sorry. I just have to be a nag about clarifying things sometimes.

Thank you.

I will say this though: planned economy=/=left wing.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:06 pm

Rawrckia wrote:
New haven america wrote:Yes it is a human right. :palm: :palm:


Marriage is a human right?
Should we legalize polygamy, child marriage, and marriage between siblings as well? I mean both parties are consenting.

Yes it is.
1. Polygamy, Sure, why not?
2. Children can't consent
3. Siblings, sure, if they want
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Postby Rawrckia » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:06 pm

Liriena wrote:
Rawrckia wrote:
Gay marriage isn't a human right, and if people don't want it in their country they're free to vote so. Though I do agree that penalties for just being gay are backwards and should be abolished. Hopefully the Pope and UN will try to propagate this message.

Marriage is a human right.
Ask the UN.


The UN's opinion is pretty moot here. They didn't invent or define marriage.

Do you support marriage between multiple individuals, adults and children, and marriage between brothers and sisters? Because those can all be seen as "legitimate marriage" and have been practiced multiple times at some time or another in history.
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:07 pm

Rawrckia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Marriage is a human right.
Ask the UN.


The UN's opinion is pretty moot here. They didn't invent or define marriage.

Do you support marriage between multiple individuals,

Yes.
Rawrckia wrote:adults and children,

Children cannot consent.
Rawrckia wrote: and marriage between brothers and sisters?

Yes.
Rawrckia wrote:Because those can all be seen as "legitimate marriage" and have been practiced multiple times at some time or another in history.

Only two of those can be seen as a legitimate marriage.
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Postby Pandeeria » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:07 pm

Rawrckia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Marriage is a human right.
Ask the UN.


The UN's opinion is pretty moot here. They didn't invent or define marriage.

Do you support marriage between multiple individuals, adults and children, and marriage between brothers and sisters? Because those can all be seen as "legitimate marriage" and have been practiced multiple times at some time or another in history.


Children cannot consent. However, if all adult parties consent, then why not?
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Postby Meryuma » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:07 pm

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Also not entirely true.
That's also not what sterility means.


So a man can impregnate another man? No he can not. They are sterile till they use the right tools the right way.


Sterile means your sperm/eggs won't work. If your definition was accurate, using condoms would be temporary sterilization.

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Pandeeria wrote:
Answer me this. Is this something a left winged person would say?


Pol-Pot, Stalin and Mao very well might.

Dictators, famously have a disdain for educating people. Unless of course it is re-educating them.

Hitler's economics were left (planned-free) and his politics were right (revolutionary-reactionary).


Left wing ≠ planned economy. Classical liberals were the original leftists.

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Postby Liriena » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:07 pm

Rawrckia wrote:
New haven america wrote:Yes it is a human right. :palm: :palm:


Marriage is a human right?
Should we legalize polygamy, child marriage, and marriage between siblings as well? I mean both parties are consenting.

Polygamy? A lot of homophobic countries are way ahead of you there, but sure? Why not? I'd love to have a romantic and totally egalitarian harem.
Child marriage? A lot of homophobic countries have beaten you to the punch there, but since children can't really consent to any legal contract...no.
Siblings? Sure. Not my cup of tea, but the occasional twincest is not too bad.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:07 pm

Rawrckia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Marriage is a human right.
Ask the UN.


The UN's opinion is pretty moot here. They didn't invent or define marriage.

Do you support marriage between multiple individuals, adults and children, and marriage between brothers and sisters? Because those can all be seen as "legitimate marriage" and have been practiced multiple times at some time or another in history.

Hahahaha! No.
What has or has not been practiced means shit to me.
The basis is that everyone should be consenting adults.
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:07 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Rawrckia wrote:
The UN's opinion is pretty moot here. They didn't invent or define marriage.

Do you support marriage between multiple individuals, adults and children, and marriage between brothers and sisters? Because those can all be seen as "legitimate marriage" and have been practiced multiple times at some time or another in history.


Children cannot consent. However, if all adult parties consent, then why not?

Don't you just love when their silly slippery slope arguments flop?
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Postby Rawrckia » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:08 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Rawrckia wrote:
Marriage is a human right?
Should we legalize polygamy, child marriage, and marriage between siblings as well? I mean both parties are consenting.

Do you understand the concept of consent?
Yes or no.


I do know what consent is.

At almost any age, you can be tried as an adult for serious crimes. Are children really not able to consent?
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:09 pm

Rawrckia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Do you understand the concept of consent?
Yes or no.


I do know what consent is.

At almost any age, you can be tried as an adult for serious crimes. Are children really not able to consent?

No, they aren't, just as other species cannot consent.
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Postby Olthar » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:09 pm

Liriena wrote:
Rawrckia wrote:
Marriage is a human right?
Should we legalize polygamy, child marriage, and marriage between siblings as well? I mean both parties are consenting.

Polygamy? A lot of homophobic countries are way ahead of you there, but sure? Why not? I'd love to have a romantic and totally egalitarian harem.
Child marriage? A lot of homophobic countries have beaten you to the punch there, but since children can't really consent to any legal contract...no.
Siblings? Sure. Not my cup of tea, but the occasional twincest is not too bad.

A lesbian twincest sandwich with me in the middle would be awesome. :3
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Postby Desperaclitus » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:09 pm

Personally, I have never been able to understand why anyone would want to be defined by their sexuality, gay, straight, or otherwise. I had a friend in high school who caught hell because people thought he was gay, so I know what many gays went through. I suppose that harassment is at least partially to blame for the extreme reliance on sexuality to define oneself. I have no problem with people who are gay. I suspect there is a significant genetic component involved, but acting on that component ( in my humble opinion ) is between them and whatever god their belief system allows for ( if any ).

I tend to take the approach that says "live and let live," ( unless children are involved in some way. Then all the bets are off ).

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:09 pm

Rawrckia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Do you understand the concept of consent?
Yes or no.


I do know what consent is.

At almost any age, you can be tried as an adult for serious crimes. Are children really not able to consent?

No they are not able to legally give consent to sex. I thought that obvious.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:09 pm

Rawrckia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Do you understand the concept of consent?
Yes or no.


I do know what consent is.

At almost any age, you can be tried as an adult for serious crimes. Are children really not able to consent?


Until they reach the age of majority, no they cannot consent.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:09 pm

Rawrckia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Marriage is a human right.
Ask the UN.


The UN's opinion is pretty moot here. They didn't invent or define marriage.

Do you support marriage between multiple individuals, adults and children, and marriage between brothers and sisters? Because those can all be seen as "legitimate marriage" and have been practiced multiple times at some time or another in history.

Considering the Us is a UN county. :roll:

You're not doing very well in your argument. :lol:
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