Homosexuality a trend?

[Oghuz Khanate]

Homosexuality is not a trend.

Being in the closet was a trend, and now it isn't anymore.

[Rawrckia]

Wow, so I'm a teen now?

As a teen,

I know you're trying to confuse us to oblivion, but this isn't working.

I'm afraid you misunderstood me.

I stated that when I was a teenager, I did in fact go to a volunteer program that was aimed at helping gifted children grow at their own pace.

[Agymnum]

When did that happen?

Most of your posts in this thread have been 1 liners parroting someone else's post or saying "no ur wrong".

I would not consider you mentally or cognitively developed yet to be allowed to offer consent as you seem to be too timid to offer your own opinions.

This doesn't mean no 14 year old is mentally developed enough to make their own decisions.

Again, you're playing the "specifics card". Show us statistics that a majority of 14 year olds can make their own informed decisions and give informed consent, and I'll gladly support lowering the age of consent to 14. Until then, anecdotal evidence and playing the "but some people can" card is not acceptable in a debate.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

When did that happen?

Most of your posts in this thread have been 1 liners parroting someone else's post or saying "no ur wrong".

I would not consider you mentally or cognitively developed yet to be allowed to offer consent as you seem to be too timid to offer your own opinions.

This doesn't mean no 14 year old is mentally developed enough to make their own decisions.

Perhaps he doesn't consider your superficial and meaningless arguments to be worth any further effort. Frankly, I can see the appeal in that viewpoint.

[Norstal]

This is going off topic. Back to the gays. Unless someone can tie in what teenage maturity has something to do with homosexuals.

[The Black Forrest]

So let me get this straight. You not only STILL refuse to give ANY credible evidence that 10 year olds can consent, but now you pretend that ANECDOTES are a substitute for them?

Holy fucking shit.

You're trying to prove that life doesn't exist anywhere else in the universe again aren't you?

More importantly.........Where's Momo!

Laws are to protect the majority. The fact a group is different is hardly justification for a repeal.

[Mavorpen]

This is going off topic. Back to the gays. Unless someone can tie in what teenage maturity has something to do with homosexuals.

Please don't tempt him. The entire time, he's been screaming and shouting that if we leg homosexuals marry, there's nothing stopping us from letting adults marry children. It's idiotic and pathetic, but he STILL maintains it's a legitimate argument.

[Agymnum]

This is going off topic. Back to the gays. Unless someone can tie in what teenage maturity has something to do with homosexuals.

Obviously teenagers are more likely to be homosexual because it's just a phase those damn kids go through. Liking cock is not right, all you men out there!

/sarcasm

[Rawrckia]

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Interesting.

I was a gifted child.

My friends were gifted children.

NONE of us had the capacity to make informed decisions, as intelligent as we were. At age 10, the brain is not fully developed. It continues developing until age 25 or so. Frankly, it would almost make more sense to not allow people to enter formal contracts until then, but the social upheaval required would be immense, and I suspect that there would be social unrest if such a thing were to ever be seriously proposed.

Hey Mavopen

this is also anecdotal

feel free to get as angry as this user as you did to me

Also, why would the social upheaval required be immense? States change their laws all the time. And plus, we're practically redefining marriage with same-sex marriage. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but wouldn't altering age of consent/voting age be less mindblowing?

[Mavorpen]

Hey Mavopen

this is also anecdotal

feel free to get as angry as this user as you did to me

Why would I? He's not SERIOUSLY presenting his anecdote as a substitute for legitimate data and research, unlike you.

[Pilau]

Of course it's a trend! All of my friends are homosexual right now. Then whatever's trendy next season we'll do that!


No.

[New haven america]

When did that happen?

Most of your posts in this thread have been 1 liners parroting someone else's post or saying "no ur wrong".

I would not consider you mentally or cognitively developed yet to be allowed to offer consent as you seem to be too timid to offer your own opinions.

This doesn't mean no 14 year old is mentally developed enough to make their own decisions.

No, I've offered up my own opinions.
You just said things like "A 10 year old should be allowed to get married if they want", which makes no sense as they aren't mentally developed. You also barely gave any proof that they can, and the proof you gave was just idiotic at best.
You also got mad that I asked you to say something intelligent for you're arguments, that hasn't happened yet.
Anything else?

[The Black Forrest]

This is going off topic. Back to the gays. Unless someone can tie in what teenage maturity has something to do with homosexuals.

Why do they call it gay? What do you call an unhappy homosexual?

Maturity is no qualification. Just like the hetros; you have mature and immature homosexuals.

[Rawrckia]

Most of your posts in this thread have been 1 liners parroting someone else's post or saying "no ur wrong".

I would not consider you mentally or cognitively developed yet to be allowed to offer consent as you seem to be too timid to offer your own opinions.

This doesn't mean no 14 year old is mentally developed enough to make their own decisions.

Again, you're playing the "specifics card". Show us statistics that a majority of 14 year olds can make their own informed decisions and give informed consent, and I'll gladly support lowering the age of consent to 14. Until then, anecdotal evidence and playing the "but some people can" card is not acceptable in a debate.

Whoa, I've never said that lowering age of consent to 14 was a good idea.

I never even said I wanted to flat out LOWER it.

I've maintained that since every person develops differently, some sort of personal evaluation would be the most accurate.
"You claim that 10 year olds can be mature enough lol ur crazy" is defeating the point. If a 10 year old is emotionally and mentally mature enough (and physically mature enough, to an extent) to make their own decisions, why should we stop them? "Edgy and rebellious" teens would probably not fall into this category, sorry folks.

Does this mean some twenty-somethings wouldn't be able to be married in Vegas?

Is this really such a problem?

[Mavorpen]

If a 10 year old is emotionally and mentally mature enough (and physically mature enough, to an extent) to make their own decisions, why should we stop them?

Because you haven't given us a shred of fucking evidence that 10 year olds are capable of this.

[Agymnum]

Also, why would the social upheaval required be immense? States change their laws all the time. And plus, we're practically redefining marriage with same-sex marriage. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but wouldn't altering age of consent/voting age be less mindblowing?

Same-sex marriage doesn't involve the safety of children.

[Tlaceceyaya]

Again, you're playing the "specifics card". Show us statistics that a majority of 14 year olds can make their own informed decisions and give informed consent, and I'll gladly support lowering the age of consent to 14. Until then, anecdotal evidence and playing the "but some people can" card is not acceptable in a debate.

Whoa, I've never said that lowering age of consent to 14 was a good idea.

I never even said I wanted to flat out LOWER it.

I've maintained that since every person develops differently, some sort of personal evaluation would be the most accurate.
"You claim that 10 year olds can be mature enough lol ur crazy" is defeating the point. If a 10 year old is emotionally and mentally mature enough (and physically mature enough, to an extent) to make their own decisions, why should we stop them? "Edgy and rebellious" teens would probably not fall into this category, sorry folks.

Does this mean some twenty-somethings wouldn't be able to be married in Vegas?

Is this really such a problem?

Why stop them? Because saving people from being raped by exploitative monsters is more important than letting one in a million hyper-developed children have completely consensual sex with 50 year olds.

[New haven america]

If a 10 year old is emotionally and mentally mature enough (and physically mature enough, to an extent) to make their own decisions, why should we stop them?

Because you haven't given us a shred of fucking evidence that 10 year olds are capable of this.

He thinks he has, let him be in his little fairyland.

[Agymnum]

Whoa, I've never said that lowering age of consent to 14 was a good idea.

I never even said I wanted to flat out LOWER it.

I've maintained that since every person develops differently, some sort of personal evaluation would be the most accurate.
"You claim that 10 year olds can be mature enough lol ur crazy" is defeating the point. If a 10 year old is emotionally and mentally mature enough (and physically mature enough, to an extent) to make their own decisions, why should we stop them? "Edgy and rebellious" teens would probably not fall into this category, sorry folks.

Does this mean some twenty-somethings wouldn't be able to be married in Vegas?

Is this really such a problem?

How would you practically enforce this? Giving a psychological evaluation to every person who wants to get married is not only time-consuming but expensive.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

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Interesting.

I was a gifted child.

My friends were gifted children.

NONE of us had the capacity to make informed decisions, as intelligent as we were. At age 10, the brain is not fully developed. It continues developing until age 25 or so. Frankly, it would almost make more sense to not allow people to enter formal contracts until then, but the social upheaval required would be immense, and I suspect that there would be social unrest if such a thing were to ever be seriously proposed.

Hey Mavopen

this is also anecdotal

feel free to get as angry as this user as you did to me

Also, why would the social upheaval required be immense? States change their laws all the time. And plus, we're practically redefining marriage with same-sex marriage. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but wouldn't altering age of consent/voting age be less mindblowing?

Yes, I replied to an anecdote with an anecdote, to show that my argument was as good as yours. However, my point regarding brain development is scientifically sound, and was the salient point of my post.

And if you want to lobby to raise the age of consent to 25 or so, feel free.

[Rawrckia]

You just said things like "A 10 year old should be allowed to get married if they want", which makes no sense as they aren't mentally developed. You also barely gave any proof that they can, and the proof you gave was just idiotic at best.
You also got mad that I asked you to say something intelligent for you're arguments, that hasn't happened yet.
Anything else?

You seem to be misreading my posts.

A 10 year old that is emotionally and mentally mature to a certain standard, should be able to make their own decisions.

And I am not mad, I'm just frustrated that no one is actually arguing, just throwing shit at a wall I built. It's not going to fall down because you have not posted anything intelligent yet and still don't have an argument that my posts are blatantly wrong or otherwise unintelligent

[Frisbeeteria]

I would not consider you mentally or cognitively developed yet to be allowed to offer consent as you seem to be too timid to offer your own opinions.

I would not consider you to be allowed to rewrite the rules with impunity, which is why you're getting your second *** warning for flaming *** in the last hour or so.

If you continue on this path, I suspect your nation will be deleted within 24 hours. Perhaps you should pause and read the rules before posting again.

[Rawrckia]

Hey Mavopen

this is also anecdotal

feel free to get as angry as this user as you did to me

Also, why would the social upheaval required be immense? States change their laws all the time. And plus, we're practically redefining marriage with same-sex marriage. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but wouldn't altering age of consent/voting age be less mindblowing?

Yes, I replied to an anecdote with an anecdote, to show that my argument was as good as yours. However, my point regarding brain development is scientifically sound, and was the salient point of my post.

And if you want to lobby to raise the age of consent to 25 or so, feel free.

My anecdote wasn't meant to prove that all middle schoolers are mature. It was to prove that yes, some children can indeed make decisions for themselves in a mature fashion, and they shouldn't be restricted by blanket laws.

[Mavorpen]

A 10 year old that is emotionally and mentally mature to a certain standard, should be able to make their own decisions.

Please fucking show that 10 year olds can consent. Not by claiming it over and over, but with actual evidence.

And I am not mad, I'm just frustrated that no one is actually arguing

Holy fucking shit. Are you serious? How can we argue or debate with you? You have quite literally repeated the SAME thing over and over without EVER giving us any shred of evidence to debate on.

[Agymnum]

You seem to be misreading my posts.

A 10 year old that is emotionally and mentally mature to a certain standard, should be able to make their own decisions.

And I am not mad, I'm just frustrated that no one is actually arguing, just throwing shit at a wall I built. It's not going to fall down because you have not posted anything intelligent yet and still don't have an argument that my posts are blatantly wrong or otherwise unintelligent

How would you practically enforce this. Tell us?

Would you like us to psychologically evaluate every ten-year-old and place them in categories? What if their maturity changed next year - would we have reevaluations?

How would you determine maturity? Does liking something edgy or being rebellious automatically disqualify you from being mature? What if you're mature and simply aren't someone who enjoys following the mainstream?

More importantly, who's paying for all these evaluations? Would the child's parents do it? Would the state?