Third Language Woes

[Ceroulia]

Aunque el OP me da rabia, yo pienso que alemán es el idioma que debes aprender.

For the Non-Castillian Speakers: (Although the OP irks me, I think that German is the language you should go for.)

[Rookerie]

I'm sorry, but what kind of socialist blatantly objectifies women, and, particularly, exotifies the women of foreign lands? More incredulously, what kind of socialist refers to women as "bitches"?

I'm going to guess that would be the kind of socialist who uses their humanity to justify racism and calls bars a "production line" for foreign women. A fascinating breed! The plaque on the side should give more details, and there will be an audio tour later.

[Fulflood]

So out of those langauges, I've learnt French and German to a fairly decent level. I assume you're a native English speaker, so I'll go on that.

Accents:
French is harder than German, at least for most people. However, French requires only a few pronunciation talents to get to a passable level, including the guttural 'r' which so many people struggle with, and a few unfamiliar vowels and diphthongs, like 'eur'. German's a bit easier, but the unfamiliar ä, ö and ü vowels tend to throw people, but it takes time to master the accent's slight differences to English.

Pronunciation & Spelling:
German is pretty much phonetically spelt, so as long as you learn what a few basic letters and letter combinations (ch, sch, z, ei, ie, ä, ö, ü, ß) sound like, you're sorted. However, it can take time to get used to the unwieldy long words. French on the other hand contains hordes of silent letters, and a few funny rules, but is still more relaibly spelt than English.

Grammar:
French grammar is far easier, and it's helped by the accent which means you can get away with pronouncing various word endings slightly wrongly. French does however tend to be the more irregular of the two (with the exception of German perfect tense verbs). Present tense verbs are easier in German, but past a basic level, German starts to get hard in the grammar department (cases, prepositions and much, much more), but not as hard as Russian from what I've heard; that's what my old German teacher used to tell me anyway.

Words:
At first glance, German appears far easier in the words department; French appears to have a lot of differences in basic vocab to English. Though as French progresses in difficulty, the words tend to become more cognate and more familiar. German, however, starts easier and ends up with long compound words to express more advanced concepts, many of which aren't guessable.

Between these two, I prefer French, but I know quite a few others who can speak them both and opinion is divided.
Ich hoffe, dass ça t'aide - bonne chance.

Oh, and one more major thing after reading the OP in detail: don't pick langauges based on stereotypes of that country's 'bitches', as you so poetically put it. It'll lead to regretful decisions, and said 'bitches' will probably go off you once they find out you completely objectify them.

[Albul]

Learn French then Russian.

You'll have 4 out of the 6 official languages in the world. More than enough to go around the world.

[Souseiseki]

Learn French then Russian.

You'll have 4 out of the 6 official languages in the world. More than enough to go around the world.

sadly, he will never get all 6

[Forster Keys]

don't learn a language based on women and tits.

Yeah, you'll find beautiful women with lovely tits speaking all sorts of different languages.

[Forster Keys]

So out of those langauges, I've learnt French and German to a fairly decent level. I assume you're a native English speaker, so I'll go on that.

Accents:
French is harder than German, at least for most people. However, French requires only a few pronunciation talents to get to a passable level, including the guttural 'r' which so many people struggle with, and a few unfamiliar vowels and diphthongs, like 'eur'. German's a bit easier, but the unfamiliar ä, ö and ü vowels tend to throw people, but it takes time to master the accent's slight differences to English.

Pronunciation & Spelling:
German is pretty much phonetically spelt, so as long as you learn what a few basic letters and letter combinations (ch, sch, z, ei, ie, ä, ö, ü, ß) sound like, you're sorted. However, it can take time to get used to the unwieldy long words. French on the other hand contains hordes of silent letters, and a few funny rules, but is still more relaibly spelt than English.

Grammar:
French grammar is far easier, and it's helped by the accent which means you can get away with pronouncing various word endings slightly wrongly. French does however tend to be the more irregular of the two (with the exception of German perfect tense verbs). Present tense verbs are easier in German, but past a basic level, German starts to get hard in the grammar department (cases, prepositions and much, much more), but not as hard as Russian from what I've heard; that's what my old German teacher used to tell me anyway.

Words:
At first glance, German appears far easier in the words department; French appears to have a lot of differences in basic vocab to English. Though as French progresses in difficulty, the words tend to become more cognate and more familiar. German, however, starts easier and ends up with long compound words to express more advanced concepts.

German grammar is my wurst enemy.

[Forster Keys]

I'm sorry, but what kind of socialist blatantly objectifies women, and, particularly, exotifies the women of foreign lands? More incredulously, what kind of socialist refers to women as "bitches"?

You can advocate for worker control of the economy and be fairly sexist at the same time you know.

[Albul]

I already have two. I was raised in a bilingual environment where I had to speak Spanish and English. I am learning German for a rather personal reason. I am also learning French outside of school.

[Churchilland]

I'm learning Russian, for different reasons to yourself (I want to visit St Petersburg) and I didn't find it as hard as I imagined it would be, but it's still not the easiest. .

[Souseiseki]

I'm sorry, but what kind of socialist blatantly objectifies women, and, particularly, exotifies the women of foreign lands? More incredulously, what kind of socialist refers to women as "bitches"?

You can advocate for worker control of the economy and be fairly sexist at the same time you know.

still makes him a pretty shitty socialist but again other thread

[Ethan Foley]

I took 2 years of French. It isn't hard, nor is it easy. Not like Mandarin or Russian where you're like "Dafuq am I doing " (in my opinion). Personally, if I was forced too, I wouldn't mind taking more years of French. But I think I like German better.

I know many people who speak fluent German, and people still in their first year. They all love it.

[Yorkopolis]

do italian. its enough like spanish as to be way easier to pick up than the others.

and its easily as sexy as french

Italian is a dirty language. One it's too much like Spanish to be interesting, two why would I want to have the language of knuckle-draggers?

Too much like Spanish is an overstatement, as Catalonian and Portuguese, which are very beautiful in themselves are very similiar to Spanish as well.

And, Italian is actually quite different, I've learned some Spanish, and although Italian's similiar, Italian does share a lot more words with Latin than Spanish, and the two can be found to be pretty different.

If anything, I'll start with this; Don't learn German. The sound's awful, many words don't mean what you think it means, and the cases I still have nightmares about.

Russian, well, Cyrillic's half the language, and the rest's just learning the words, really. Learning Russian also paves the road to being able to speak Ukrainian and Belarusian, as these two are very close to Russian, except in some spelling.

If you really want to learn more; Start by learning Latin. Not necessarily as a language to use for learning a new culture, but learn it so you can understand more of the Romance languages that exist; Castalonian and Portuguese are already very beautiful, and so is Romanian. If I were you, I'd learn Latin first, and then from there your way to many other languages is pretty easy.

It all depends on what you seek to do, really. For example, I'm going to be learning Hebrew and Arabic, so I can read the Hebrew Bible - Old and New Testaments - and the Classical Quran. I don't do that because I'm religious, but because I seek to understand these religions - both Judaism, Christianity and Islam - and defend those religions in the case I confront those anti-Semitic or anti-Muslim (mostly the latter, as the former is not half as bashed on basis of their holy book as the latter one is) shitters.

And one thing: Don't learn languages just because of women. You're not gonna get very far with that. And I question your being a socialist considering you support privatization.

[Souseiseki]

If anything, I'll start with this; Don't learn German. The sound's awful, many words don't mean what you think it means, and the cases I still have nightmares about.

hey op i have a gift for you

[Sommorragh]

It may sound racist, but I have absolutely no interest in Africa. At all.

Outside Kicking out the genocidal IMF and destruction of the U.S. global agricultural suppression against the Continent (and others).

In that case, if you want to do business, Russian or Arabic.

Though I'd say Russian would be the easier than Arabic.

I would firmly disagree. For the short time I learnt Arabic, I found it much easier than Russian.

[Forster Keys]

Italian is a dirty language. One it's too much like Spanish to be interesting, two why would I want to have the language of knuckle-draggers?

Too much like Spanish is an overstatement, as Catalonian and Portuguese, which are very beautiful in themselves are very similiar to Spanish as well.

And, Italian is actually quite different, I've learned some Spanish, and although Italian's similiar, Italian does share a lot more words with Latin than Spanish, and the two can be found to be pretty different.

If anything, I'll start with this; Don't learn German. The sound's awful, many words don't mean what you think it means, and the cases I still have nightmares about.

I like the sound, and it probably has as many false friends as say, French, but the cases? Fuck the cases.

[Firmador]

You can all stop with the character assinations.

[Churchilland]

I'm learning Russian, for different reasons to yourself (I want to visit St Petersburg) and I didn't find it as hard as I imagined it would be, but it's still not the easiest. .

[Priory Academy USSR]

French. It has loads of international speakers, as either a first language (Quebec, France, Senegal) or a second language (pretty much every country in the world). The rest are only really useful in their country of origin. Germany has Austria and Switzerland too speaking German, but that's about it.
As a language, it's not too difficult.

[Firmador]

-snip- OP post

I'm sorry, but what kind of socialist blatantly objectifies women, and, particularly, exotifies the women of foreign lands? More incredulously, what kind of socialist refers to women as "bitches"?

I relate well to your love of languages and commend you for your passion in learning new ones, but no self-respecting socialist refers to women in such a way.

Learn French. It's impressive and challenging to learn, plus spoken in more regions of the world than any of the others. It's easier to find tutors for it, while Russian requires 700+ hours of immersion in a Russian speaking environment to learn properly. Swedish is nice, since you'll be able to speak with Danes, Norwegians, and most Finns, who are taught Swedish in school. That said it's a bit ugly and not very useful outside of Scandinavia.

How is sexism and socialism mutually exclusive?

And who gives a ****, frankly.

How many people think that Russia was Socialist?

What self-respecting Socialist would be a Bolshevik and not a Menshevik?

Besides, words like Socialism and Communism are basely anachronisms. The American propaganda machine has succeeded in imbedding mental reflexes to the word. I use Socialist and Socialism when I don't care, so one can easily identify roughly.

But I don't think that Socialism and a Traditional home are two mutually exclusive things. I believe in one parent stay home, to raise the children. **** the economic benefit of buying a nanny, they'll never parent children like a child's parent. Simple.

Statistically speaking Companies DISLIKE hiring women, because well paid women marry inside their economic class (has been true in France since the 1300s) and thus rely on their husband, and naturally, come home to raise the family. It's right, it's statistically important, and I don't think Equality means doing the Same thing.

[Souseiseki]

French. It has loads of international speakers, as either a first language (Quebec, France, Senegal) or a second language (pretty much every country in the world). The rest are only really useful in their country of origin. Germany has Austria and Switzerland too speaking German, but that's about it.
As a language, it's not too difficult.

i thought russian was pretty useful in many of the neighboring countries. maybe emphasis on "was".

[SFR Superior]

You can advocate for worker control of the economy and be fairly sexist at the same time you know.

I know, I've been at this game for a while. Far be it from me to claim who is a 'proper' socialist, but any radical leftist worth his or her salt shouldn't treat half of the world's working class as meat.

[Firmador]

You can advocate for worker control of the economy and be fairly sexist at the same time you know.

I know, I've been at this game for a while. Far be it from me to claim who is a 'proper' socialist, but any radical leftist worth his or her salt shouldn't treat half of the world's working class as meat.

What?

If a woman is willing to let me get into something that should not be gotten into until matrimony, she's a salacious bitch (woman in heat).

I'm biologically driven to sleep with her, just as she is to me, but culturally she needs to keep it in her pants for repercussion. I don't.

I absolutely love Traditional culture, holding the door, etc. But I call 'em as I see 'em.

[Priory Academy USSR]

French. It has loads of international speakers, as either a first language (Quebec, France, Senegal) or a second language (pretty much every country in the world). The rest are only really useful in their country of origin. Germany has Austria and Switzerland too speaking German, but that's about it.
As a language, it's not too difficult.

i thought russian was pretty useful in many of the neighboring countries. maybe emphasis on "was".

Probably. But it seems that a lot of countries bordering Russia don't really like it (with the exception of Belarus) and might try to move away from teaching it in the future, but I'm not too informed on the subject. Most of those countries aren't very appealing to immigrants anyway due to rather low wages, so you'd only really use it for holidays. French is a far more international language and so it can be used in most countries around the world.

[Souseiseki]

I know, I've been at this game for a while. Far be it from me to claim who is a 'proper' socialist, but any radical leftist worth his or her salt shouldn't treat half of the world's working class as meat.

What?

If a woman is willing to let me get into something that should not be gotten into until matrimony, she's a salacious bitch (woman in heat).

I'm biologically driven to sleep with her, just as she is to me, but culturally she needs to keep it in her pants for repercussion. I don't.

I absolutely love Traditional culture, holding the door, etc. But I call 'em as I see 'em.

your social views so far are effectively indistinguishable from that of the reactionaries, so it's not exactly hard to see why people are raising their eyebrows at you