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Postby Frisivisia » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:45 pm

You've got enough European Languages under your belt. Ought to get Chinese or Arabic.
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:47 pm

Frisivisia wrote:You've got enough European Languages under your belt. Ought to get Chinese or Arabic.

I came very close to choosing one of those for next semester.
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Postby Snafturi » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:14 pm

Firmador wrote:
Snafturi wrote: :lol: I realize you had better reason than breasts (but, hey, that's important too), it was just an opportunity to post my awesome information on bra sizes.

But seriously, if you're looking at Scandinavian languages. I vote for Norwegian for the reasons above. It's also not hard to learn the other two if you know one. But, pick a language you'll use the most.

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Subconsciously whims, lul.

Hey, you seem around Jenrak's age. Have you seen him on the IRCs or anything? I /really/ wanna check out his dissertation and he was always a great source for reputable books.

Sorry, I'm not on any IRCs with NSers. What was his dissertation on?
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Postby Nazis in Space » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:16 pm

Frisivisia wrote:You've got enough European Languages under your belt. Ought to get Chinese or Arabic.
Chinese has several different languages, and Arabic dialects vary so much, it's effectively a bunch of related, but different languages, too.

Please specify.

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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:17 pm

Nazis in Space wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:You've got enough European Languages under your belt. Ought to get Chinese or Arabic.
Chinese has several different languages, and Arabic dialects vary so much, it's effectively a bunch of related, but different languages, too.

Please specify.

Yes.
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Postby Souseiseki » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:18 pm

Snafturi wrote:
Firmador wrote:
Subconsciously whims, lul.

Hey, you seem around Jenrak's age. Have you seen him on the IRCs or anything? I /really/ wanna check out his dissertation and he was always a great source for reputable books.

Sorry, I'm not on any IRCs with NSers. What was his dissertation on?


it's literally in one of the posts you replied to.

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Postby Snafturi » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:26 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Snafturi wrote:Sorry, I'm not on any IRCs with NSers. What was his dissertation on?


it's literally in one of the posts you replied to.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=255148&p=15861052#p15861052

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Postby Meryuma » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:26 pm

Firmador wrote:Quit flame-baiting me...Did your mother get fucked too hard by a bunch of random dudes when she was pregnant for you to be born and stay as fucking dumb as you are?


Oh the fucking irony.

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Unless you have a tongue abnormality I doubt it's genetically impossible.
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Postby Katganistan » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:28 pm

Firmador wrote:So I've been learning Spanish for a couple of years now, nothing really all too good but my reading is okay (a lot of inference, but deduction is p. easy) and I went on this English-Spanish chatboard, only had to translate one word. Reading a couple more books, but most of the basic grammar I've already review like a hundred time. Have a 500 verb list I need to memorize (and 2 more books to finish) but after that I honestly feel like all I need is to go to a Spanish-speaking country for a month or two and I'll be set on the language (could go to a cousin's too, but where's the fun in that?)

I'm trying to pick on a third though, here are the candidates and why (if anyone has any strong position for Russian, I'm all ears but from what I've heard it's bloody rough to learn):
German,

I'm interested in the hole Zollerhern (serious SP?) economic community they had and how it helped to meld together North Germany into a more solid union (also interested in how the iron ore-smelting-coal-steel-railway-banking vertical businesses helped Germany, but in places like Central America where the exports had less backward and forward linkages these served to make banks the captives of their Coffee-owning depositors) starting in the 1820s (1810s????). This is mainly because, 1. Germany has, imo, some of the best politik-war philosophy, 2. Germany is freaking awesome, 3. Germany is pretty close to English and from the limited contact I've seen it's not really all that difficult and the cases are simple, and 4. I want to more closely study the old information on how the Free Trade Zone (horrible spelling of Zollerhern w/e) bonded the independent peoples, and how the same could be accomplish from Guatemala to Costa Rica.

French,

French is epic. No, if, ands, or butts about it. For every American who says we saved France in World War 1 (we did) and World War 2 (we barely did), there's another dumbass that completely ignores their service to us (viva Napoleon!) in the Revolution and 1812.
1. French is sexy, French bitches are sexy. 2. I really like Canada, I mean this has nothing really to do with the French, just that it's spoken in one break-away wanting region. And, well, the Canuks don't like the French-Canuks anyways. 3. I mean it really just comes down to how mellifluous the language and rich the history is..., 4. Also, not so difficult from what I've seen but others have stated its pretty rough (pedantic Grammatical rules aren't bad for me, I have a pretty good memory)

Swedish,

I had a fiegning interest in moving to Sweden. Quick note, I forgot the name, I think it's called Kafi or something, but like the British have tea-time the Swedes have COFFEE-TIME. And I love Coffee. Love it. Sweden also has, along with Russia (and Scandinavia) and average breast size larger than D. Which is like, omfg, lovely. They, however, do not have C&C (concealed and carry) laws which is a GARGANTUAN bummer. And yea, I just like Sweden because of how the gov'ts run and I want to do some research on anti-corruption practices (Singapore would probably be better, but damn Sweden is lovely) Plus I like the Cold, a lot. And white women. And Blond hair.

Russia,

I just love the women. And, I think the agricultural industry over there is ripe for the taking, very fertile and unused land. Needs to be sold to the private sector (and I'm a Socialist!)

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The biggest benefit, as far as I'm aware (and please DO correct me if I'm wrong), is that being a citizen of any of the EU-members means I can more easily move within Europe. That'd be fantastic.

Thoughts?

French would be easiest for you to learn; the roots are similar to Spanish, but the suffixes and word-ending conjugation will be a little different.

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Postby Gallup » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:30 pm

Russian, sadly, is a dying language. Don't pick that.
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Postby Souseiseki » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:34 pm

Gallup wrote:Russian, sadly, is a dying language. Don't pick that.

dying

really
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Postby The Truth and Light » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:35 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Gallup wrote:Russian, sadly, is a dying language. Don't pick that.

dying

really

Don't mind the millions of speakers. They are inconsequential.

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Postby Frisivisia » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:37 pm

Gallup wrote:Russian, sadly, is a dying language. Don't pick that.

You sure?
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Postby Frisivisia » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:37 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:You've got enough European Languages under your belt. Ought to get Chinese or Arabic.

I came very close to choosing one of those for next semester.

Arabic has a nice sound to it. Hella useful too.
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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:40 pm

The Truth and Light wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:dying

really

Don't mind the millions of speakers. They are inconsequential.


To be fair, the number of Russians is declining slightly.

So it's dying in the same as, for example, a healthy 50 year old man is dying.
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Postby The Truth and Light » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:43 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I came very close to choosing one of those for next semester.

Arabic has a nice sound to it. Hella useful too.

Arabic is super hard, though. I have an Arabic book, and it's a baroque language from what I have surveyed, if I'm not incorrect.

Priory Academy USSR wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:Don't mind the millions of speakers. They are inconsequential.


To be fair, the number of Russians is declining slightly.

So it's dying in the same as, for example, a healthy 50 year old man is dying.

That makes sense.

When I think of dying languages however, I often imagine the languages of small nations in a heavily colonized area, such us Polynesia or Africa, which are being replaced by popular Indo-European languages such as English. Not Russian.

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Postby Yorkopolis » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:51 pm

Firmador wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
dividing and attacking the working classes based on race is very unsocialistic. quite reactionary actually. add that to your record.

you can't get all angry over 9/11 and beat up people who were entirely unrelated to 9/11, then say you're happy that people died in 9/11 because you hate them because of... 9/11. even if only because drawing a chart of this logic would make my head pop.


You're an idiot.

Quit flame-baiting me.

You're not going to change my opinion. No one is.

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Divide the Working Class based on race is not what I'm talking about. It's a personal opinion, are you really that stupid? Can you not read? Did your mother get fucked too hard by a bunch of random dudes when she was pregnant for you to be born and stay as fucking dumb as you are?

I'm, if you want to get political, speaking of ridding the State of a Dissident Element. We must do everything in our power to defeat the Bourgeois, hail Stalin (cuz, u know, he was obvly an actual Socialist and not just some tyrant).

Stalin did nothing socialist, and if you hail him, you're nothing but a State Capitalist in disguise. Stalin rounded up thousands into gulags, created a new bureaucratic elite class, and lots and lots of more anti-socialist decisions. I question if you're actually serious in that post. /threadjackstop
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Postby Euroslavia » Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:38 pm

Yorkopolis wrote:
Firmador wrote:
You're an idiot.

Quit flame-baiting me.

You're not going to change my opinion. No one is.

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Divide the Working Class based on race is not what I'm talking about. It's a personal opinion, are you really that stupid? Can you not read? Did your mother get fucked too hard by a bunch of random dudes when she was pregnant for you to be born and stay as fucking dumb as you are?

I'm, if you want to get political, speaking of ridding the State of a Dissident Element. We must do everything in our power to defeat the Bourgeois, hail Stalin (cuz, u know, he was obvly an actual Socialist and not just some tyrant).

Stalin did nothing socialist, and if you hail him, you're nothing but a State Capitalist in disguise. Stalin rounded up thousands into gulags, created a new bureaucratic elite class, and lots and lots of more anti-socialist decisions. I question if you're actually serious in that post. /threadjackstop


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Postby Tetryx » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:14 pm

The Truth and Light wrote:
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Not at all, just difficult after a certain age.

Well it depends.

If they meant genetically impossible as in, "I'm a native speaker of English from a young age so the Spanish R is difficult for me," you'd be correct.

If they meant genetically impossible as in they have a deformed tongue or no tongue at all, I could excuse not learning Spanish.


Actually I am serious... I am genetically incapable of rolling my tongue >.>...
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Postby Tetryx » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:15 pm

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Yorkopolis wrote:Stalin did nothing socialist, and if you hail him, you're nothing but a State Capitalist in disguise. Stalin rounded up thousands into gulags, created a new bureaucratic elite class, and lots and lots of more anti-socialist decisions. I question if you're actually serious in that post. /threadjackstop


Continuing a threadjack when you make it known that you know it is a threadjack... probably not a good idea.


You're so pretty...Katy Perry? I'm pretty sure that's the lady in the picture...God, I need to stop talking to Mods or I need to shut up after the first sentence.
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:17 pm

Tetryx wrote:
Euroslavia wrote:
Continuing a threadjack when you make it known that you know it is a threadjack... probably not a good idea.


You're so pretty...Katy Perry? I'm pretty sure that's the lady in the picture...God, I need to stop talking to Mods or I need to shut up after the first sentence.

Katy Perry is hideous.
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Postby The Truth and Light » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:17 pm

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You're so pretty...Katy Perry? I'm pretty sure that's the lady in the picture...God, I need to stop talking to Mods or I need to shut up after the first sentence.

Katy Perry is hideous.

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Postby Serrland » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:36 pm

Priory Academy USSR wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:Don't mind the millions of speakers. They are inconsequential.


To be fair, the number of Russians is declining slightly.

So it's dying in the same as, for example, a healthy 50 year old man is dying.


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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:52 pm

I'd go with either French or German. Both can be quite useful, especially with travel within the EU or the Middle East and Africa.
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Postby Souseiseki » Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:26 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I'd go with either French or German. Both can be quite useful, especially with travel within the EU or the Middle East and Africa.


i know what the people reading this post are thinking

and the answer is "yes"
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