Fast Food Workers Stage Strike, Demand Higher Minimal Wage.

[Des-Bal]

Or bad luck, as is often the case.

What?

[Yes Im Biop]

Waitasecond

When and where would this take effect for a slightly higher raise in pay? I May consider working at a McD's for the first time.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Or bad luck, as is often the case.

What?

It's entirely possible that you make good financial decisions and still end up fucked, because not everyone has the knowledge or the actual ability to make contingencies for every little thing. When you life paycheck to paycheck, how in fuck's name are you supposed to get ready for the bad times? There's only so many times you can sell your organs, not that you should have to.

[Des-Bal]

No, I wouldn't be surprised because it isn't easy at all. And given the status of the food stamp program in the US (where everything is absurdly cheap compared to most countries), it's clearly not enough.

Because there are huge recessions every year. Clearly. And we should all live on the edge, 24/7, 365 days a year, because at any second a recession could start and screw us all over. What a great way to live.

Yes it is.


There are recessions fairly regularly and if you aren't prepared for shit to go south that's on you.

[Des-Bal]

It's entirely possible that you make good financial decisions and still end up fucked, because not everyone has the knowledge or the actual ability to make contingencies for every little thing. When you life paycheck to paycheck, how in fuck's name are you supposed to get ready for the bad times? There's only so many times you can sell your organs, not that you should have to.

Let me rephrase that, when I said "you can make good decisions and wind up fucked" what part of that were you trying to contradict?

[New Chalcedon]

I just returned back to the Democrats. Not quite as liberal as I once was. But a Democrat nonetheless.

Hey, we love guys like you!

No, thank you. That caucus died in 2010, and good riddance.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

So just hope you'll magically get help. Because that works so well in the real world right now.

It's not like they're there for a reason. Clearly they're just evil government regulations put in place by those nasty leftists who just want to bankrupt us all. Damn Keynesians.

"How DARE you not see the recession/depression coming, you fool! It's all your fault!"

Sure does. You'd be surprised on how easy it is to survive on the bare essentials. If you aren't starving to death you're problems aren't that serious.

Survival isn't the point. We're human beings; we're entitled to more than just bare survival.

Yes. How dare you not have contingencies planned for something you should know damn well is going to happen every few years.

It's not the individual's obligation to provide for himself; it's a social obligation to provide equally well for everyone.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

I especially have no idea what the opposition to this is, considering how minimum wages haven't kept up with inflation.

[New Chalcedon]

I especially have no idea what the opposition to this is, considering how minimum wages haven't kept up with inflation.

Because the Waltons need more money, damnit! Them owning more than half of America combined isn't enough - anything less than three-quarters is socialism!

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

I especially have no idea what the opposition to this is, considering how minimum wages haven't kept up with inflation.

Two main narratives are at play in that regard: either the self-serving one, or the "economy as morality play" one.

[Yes Im Biop]

No, I wouldn't be surprised because it isn't easy at all. And given the status of the food stamp program in the US (where everything is absurdly cheap compared to most countries), it's clearly not enough.

Because there are huge recessions every year. Clearly. And we should all live on the edge, 24/7, 365 days a year, because at any second a recession could start and screw us all over. What a great way to live.

Yes it is.


There are recessions fairly regularly and if you aren't prepared for shit to go south that's on you.

Has had a job at the same place the last decade

Does not now

Is fucked.

[Saiwania]

How about a future where workers receive wages that allow them to live without the support of the government, instead of wages so low and with so little benefits that the government is forced to effectively subsidize that company's abhorrent business practices?

The jobs those people are working are simply not worth a higher wage because it is unskilled labor that can eventually be automated, the rich deserve the high incomes they're getting because they are either geniuses with skills that command a high salary because it is in high demand but low supply, or because they own the businesses or other productive property. They've accomplished the American Dream, they're successful so I applaud them.

[Norstal]

I especially have no idea what the opposition to this is, considering how minimum wages haven't kept up with inflation.

"I don't know how to run a business so instead of trying to increase profits I'm just going to pay my workers the lowest amount of wage I can."

[The Nuclear Fist]

Let me rephrase that, when I said "you can make good decisions and wind up fucked" what part of that were you trying to contradict?

You said "If you make good decisions and wind up fucked, that's on you."

I'm contradicting that because it's a stupid statement. Not everyone has the ability to plan for every fucking potential problem, and it's ignorant and mean spirited to condemn them for not being able to do so.

[Des-Bal]

You said "If you make good decisions and wind up fucked, that's on you."

I'm contradicting that because it's a stupid statement. Not everyone has the ability to plan for every fucking potential problem, and it's ignorant and mean spirited to condemn them for not being able to do so.

No I said "that's a personal problem." As in "that is clearly a problem and independently of whether or not it's your fault you need to deal with it personally."

[The Nuclear Fist]

The jobs those people are working are simply not worth a higher wage because it is unskilled labor that can eventually be automated, the rich deserve the high incomes they're getting because they are either geniuses with skills that command a high salary because it is in high demand but low supply, or because they own the businesses or other productive property. They've accomplished the American Dream, they're successful so I applaud them.

So you just have a hard-on for fucking over poor people, that's what I thought.

[Des-Bal]

So you just have a hard-on for fucking over poor people, that's what I thought.

If you preform labor that has very little value you should not be paid highly.

[Gauthier]

What if you're already living on the line (which is still quite expensive, not to mention unhealthy), your children are too young to work, and you've got a mortgage?

Beg your friends, family, neighbors, local organizations for money and food while praying they end child labor laws and lament your poor decisions.

I take it you read the Mitt Romney Working Man's Advice Guide.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

The jobs those people are working are simply not worth a higher wage because it is unskilled labor that can eventually be automated

Not that that's relevant, of course. Access to an equal share of the total social wealth is an entitlement stemming from the mere fact of one's existence, not a privilege contingent upon the value of one's economic production.

[The Nuclear Fist]

You said "If you make good decisions and wind up fucked, that's on you."

I'm contradicting that because it's a stupid statement. Not everyone has the ability to plan for every fucking potential problem, and it's ignorant and mean spirited to condemn them for not being able to do so.

No I said "that's a personal problem." As in "that is clearly a problem and independently of whether or not it's your fault you need to deal with it personally."

Which is itself still ignorant and mean spirited. Not everyone can 'deal with it personally', because that's not how real life works. If you were living paycheck to paycheck and you lose your job due to an economic downturn, what are you supposed to turn to? You know what happens? The government ends up having to support those people, because ideas like that screw people over.

[Des-Bal]

Which is itself still ignorant and mean spirited. Not everyone can 'deal with it personally', because that's not how real life works. If you were living paycheck to paycheck and you lose your job due to an economic downturn, what are you supposed to turn to? You know what happens? The government ends up having to support those people, because ideas like that screw people over.

Sure they can. There's a whole lot of wiggle room between being unemployed and dying in the streets. I fundamentally disagree that people are entitled to the best in life.

[The Nuclear Fist]

If you preform labor that has very little value you should not be paid highly.

You should be paid a fair wage, one that doesn't put you under the poverty line or force you to immediately get government assistance in order to survive.

[Des-Bal]

You should be paid a fair wage, one that doesn't put you under the poverty line or force you to immediately get government assistance in order to survive.

You should be paid a wage that reflects the value of your labor and the government should not get involved.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Sure they can. There's a whole lot of wiggle room between being unemployed and dying in the streets. I fundamentally disagree that people are entitled to the best in life.

If you honestly think that living on government assistance is 'the best in life' you either have no fucking aspirations or you're delusional.

[Saiwania]

Not that that's relevant, of course. Access to an equal share of the total social wealth is an entitlement stemming from the mere fact of one's existence, not a privilege contingent upon the value of one's economic production.

I exist and I can say in good conscious that I'm not entitled to anything. No one should be obligated to give me anything and I should have to work for it.