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Postby Divair » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:35 pm

Lesbia wrote:It's $7.25, not 35. Yes, it should be higher. But $15? Absolutely not.

That's. The. Point.

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Postby Norstal » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:35 pm

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Des-Bal wrote:Reduce your standard of living to the bare essentials, sell things, move into a cheaper house, pick up a second job, put your children to work, if the situation requires it relocate and just generally buckle down until things turn around.

What if you're already living on the line (which is still quite expensive, not to mention unhealthy), your children are too young to work, and you've got a mortgage?

Then FUCK YOU, that's what!
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Des-Bal wrote:Reduce your standard of living to the bare essentials, sell things, move into a cheaper house, pick up a second job, put your children to work, if the situation requires it relocate and just generally buckle down until things turn around.

What if you're already living on the line (which is still quite expensive, not to mention unhealthy), your children are too young to work, and you've got a mortgage?

Or even better, one or more of your children are sick or disabled, or you are.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:35 pm

Divair wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:Reduce your standard of living to the bare essentials, sell things, move into a cheaper house, pick up a second job, put your children to work, if the situation requires it relocate and just generally buckle down until things turn around.

What if you're already living on the line (which is still quite expensive, not to mention unhealthy), your children are too young to work, and you've got a mortgage?


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THat fucking sucks but you shouldn't of lost a job/ had kids / not sacrificed to the Free Market fairy.
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Postby Divair » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:35 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Divair wrote:What if you're already living on the line (which is still quite expensive, not to mention unhealthy), your children are too young to work, and you've got a mortgage?

Or even better, one or more of your children are sick or disabled, or you are.

And you're still paying off those student loans.

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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:36 pm

Divair wrote:What if you're already living on the line (which is still quite expensive, not to mention unhealthy), your children are too young to work, and you've got a mortgage?


Beg your friends, family, neighbors, local organizations for money and food while praying they end child labor laws and lament your poor decisions.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:36 pm

Divair wrote:
Lesbia wrote:It's $7.25, not 35. Yes, it should be higher. But $15? Absolutely not.

That's. The. Point.


Your gonna hurt yourself Div.
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Postby Norstal » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:36 pm

Des-Bal wrote:If your job cannot support your lifestyle you need a new job or a new lifestyle. Don't have children if you make minimum wage.

There's just so many circumstances you're ignoring it's astounding.

Example: jobs that had their wages reduced.
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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:37 pm

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Ah yes, the tired old "there's plenty of high paying jobs out there" cliche compounded with the "working poor havin' behbies fer shitz and giggles" stereotype.


No such thing. You can survive on minimum wage, the complaint is that you can't support a family like that. That's a very good reason not to have a family.


Why should people who have shitty jobs have to forego what, to them, may be one of the biggest joys in life, when with equal distribution of social wealth they wouldn't have to?
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:37 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Divair wrote:What if you're already living on the line (which is still quite expensive, not to mention unhealthy), your children are too young to work, and you've got a mortgage?


Beg your friends, family, neighbors, local organizations for money and food while praying they end child labor laws and lament your poor decisions.


I'm trying to figure if you are deliberately sounding like this or if you Guinially have no clue what you are talking about.
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:37 pm

Norstal wrote:There's just so many circumstances you're ignoring it's astounding.

Example: jobs that had their wages reduced.


Cut back. If there's nothing to cut you've probably made some poor decisions.
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Postby Saiwania » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:37 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:So we shouldn't strive to improve the overall situation, and instead just grit our teeth and bare with it? What a terrrible idea.


I can't imagine any better future and I would gladly take that job, considering I don't have one.
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Postby Divair » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:38 pm

Des-Bal wrote:Beg your friends, family, neighbors, local organizations for money and food

So just hope you'll magically get help. Because that works so well in the real world right now.

Des-Bal wrote:while praying they end child labor laws and

It's not like they're there for a reason. Clearly they're just evil government regulations put in place by those nasty leftists who just want to bankrupt us all. Damn Keynesians.

Des-Bal wrote:lament your poor decisions.

"How DARE you not see the recession/depression coming, you fool! It's all your fault!"

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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:38 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
I'm trying to figure if you are deliberately sounding like this or if you Guinially have no clue what you are talking about.


You're arguing that there should be no circumstance where a person should be able to find themselves in a bad position.
I am arguing that trying to achieve that is asinine and unnecessary.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:39 pm

Des-Bal wrote:Beg your friends, family, neighbors, local organizations for money and food while praying they end child labor laws and lament your poor decisions.

So raising the minimum wage is somehow less morally reprehensible than letting people fall into such terrible situations. When your only serious option is praying that you can end your children's education so they can work, it is time to accept that something is not well with your society.
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Postby Norstal » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:39 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Norstal wrote:There's just so many circumstances you're ignoring it's astounding.

Example: jobs that had their wages reduced.


Cut back. If there's nothing to cut you've probably made some poor decisions.

"cut back" how?
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Postby Divair » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:39 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:
I'm trying to figure if you are deliberately sounding like this or if you Guinially have no clue what you are talking about.


You're arguing that there should be no circumstance where a person should be able to find themselves in a bad position.
I am arguing that trying to achieve that is asinine and unnecessary.

Why?

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:39 pm

Norstal wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
Cut back. If there's nothing to cut you've probably made some poor decisions.

"cut back" how?

Sell your children.
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Postby Divair » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:39 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Norstal wrote:"cut back" how?

Sell your children.

Sell your mortgage. Sell your student loans. Sell your disability. Sell your recession. Selling 2016.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:40 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:
I'm trying to figure if you are deliberately sounding like this or if you Guinially have no clue what you are talking about.


You're arguing that there should be no circumstance where a person should be able to find themselves in a bad position.
I am arguing that trying to achieve that is asinine and unnecessary.


Incorrect. I'm saying that sometimes shit happens. Not because of their decisions though.
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:40 pm

Divair wrote:So just hope you'll magically get help. Because that works so well in the real world right now.

It's not like they're there for a reason. Clearly they're just evil government regulations put in place by those nasty leftists who just want to bankrupt us all. Damn Keynesians.

"How DARE you not see the recession/depression coming, you fool! It's all your fault!"


Sure does. You'd be surprised on how easy it is to survive on the bare essentials. If you aren't starving to death you're problems aren't that serious.

They're there for reasons, just not good ones.

Yes. How dare you not have contingencies planned for something you should know damn well is going to happen every few years.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:41 pm

Saiwania wrote:I can't imagine any better future

How about a future where workers receive wages that allow them to live without the support of the government, instead of wages so low and with so little benefits that the government is forced to effectively subsidize that company's abhorrent business practices?

If you can't imagine a better future you have a poor imagination, or you're ignorant of most other industrialized and/or Western nations.
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:41 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
Incorrect. I'm saying that sometimes shit happens. Not because of their decisions though.


I'm not denying that, I'm saying that if you make good decisions and still wind up fucked that's a personal problem.
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Postby Divair » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:42 pm

Des-Bal wrote:Sure does. You'd be surprised on how easy it is to survive on the bare essentials. If you aren't starving to death you're problems aren't that serious.

No, I wouldn't be surprised because it isn't easy at all. And given the status of the food stamp program in the US (where everything is absurdly cheap compared to most countries), it's clearly not enough.

Des-Bal wrote:They're there for reasons, just not good ones.

Boredom? Evil? Tyranny?

Des-Bal wrote:Yes. How dare you not have contingencies planned for something you should know damn well is going to happen every few years.

Because there are huge recessions every year. Clearly. And we should all live on the edge, 24/7, 365 days a year, because at any second a recession could start and screw us all over. What a great way to live.


But it's okay. As long as the government doesn't dare interfere, life is wonderful and screw anyone who thinks otherwise. I'm done here.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:42 pm

Des-Bal wrote: I'm saying that if you make good decisions and still wind up fucked that's a personal problem.

Or bad luck, as is often the case.
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