Fast Food Workers Stage Strike, Demand Higher Minimal Wage.

[Divair]

Not the precious corporate profits! Anything but that! Those millionaires and billionaires need that money! D:

Minimum wage should be enough for a family to live on. I'm not sure about the technicalities of what that entails, so I don't know if $15/hr is enough, too much, or too little, but I do know that $7.35/hr is too little.

15 dollars a hour is a lot of fucking money.

That's. The. Point.

[Geilinor]

15 dollars a hour is a lot of fucking money.

That's. The. Point.

It's surprising how many people are getting shocked at the number without thinking about how negotiation works. I was surprised too, but it makes perfect sense.

[The Grey Wolf]

That's. The. Point.

It's surprising how many people are getting shocked at the number without thinking about how negotiation works. I was surprised too, but it makes perfect sense.

Fifteen dollars an hour is a fucking lot of cash. When I was working at a fast food restaurant, we usually worked from 6:00 a.m to 12:00 p.m. There were usually six of us. Don't know how much McDonalds changed in three years, but that totals to $540 a day. And that's not counting the evening shift. They'd go bankrupt.

[Divair]

Fifteen dollars an hour is a fucking lot of cash.

That's. The. Point.

[The Grey Wolf]

Fifteen dollars an hour is a fucking lot of cash.

That's. The. Point.

They don't seem to get the point across.

[Divair]

They don't seem to get the point across.

That's how we know that you haven't dealt with negotiations before.

[Wintersun]

Good. Sticky wages put a pretty big downward pressure on the economy, glad people are finally waking up and realizing that.

[Geilinor]

It's surprising how many people are getting shocked at the number without thinking about how negotiation works. I was surprised too, but it makes perfect sense.

Fifteen dollars an hour is a fucking lot of cash. When I was working at a fast food restaurant, we usually worked from 6:00 a.m to 12:00 p.m. There were usually six of us. Don't know how much McDonalds changed in three years, but that totals to $540 a day. And that's not counting the evening shift. They'd go bankrupt.

It's their strategy to start at a high point.

[OMGeverynameistaken]

It's surprising how many people are getting shocked at the number without thinking about how negotiation works. I was surprised too, but it makes perfect sense.

Fifteen dollars an hour is a fucking lot of cash. When I was working at a fast food restaurant, we usually worked from 6:00 a.m to 12:00 p.m. There were usually six of us. Don't know how much McDonalds changed in three years, but that totals to $540 a day. And that's not counting the evening shift. They'd go bankrupt.

Go watch a couple episodes of Pawn Stars, then come back to the thread.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Fifteen dollars an hour is a fucking lot of cash. When I was working at a fast food restaurant, we usually worked from 6:00 a.m to 12:00 p.m. There were usually six of us. Don't know how much McDonalds changed in three years, but that totals to $540 a day. And that's not counting the evening shift. They'd go bankrupt.

It's their strategy to start at a high point.

Kind of a bad strategy from a PR perspective.

Skilled workers will balk at fast-food employees demanding more than they started out at.

[Wintersun]

It's their strategy to start at a high point.

Kind of a bad strategy from a PR perspective.

Skilled workers will balk at fast-food employees demanding more than they started out at.

What skilled worker starts at less than $15? Last I knew even a teaching aide, a step below a teacher, made over that.

[Regnum Dominae]

Not the precious corporate profits! Anything but that! Those millionaires and billionaires need that money! D:

Minimum wage should be enough for a family to live on. I'm not sure about the technicalities of what that entails, so I don't know if $15/hr is enough, too much, or too little, but I do know that $7.35/hr is too little.

15 dollars a hour is a lot of fucking money.

Depends on the cost of living in your area.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Kind of a bad strategy from a PR perspective.

Skilled workers will balk at fast-food employees demanding more than they started out at.

What skilled worker starts at less than $15? Last I knew even a teaching aide, a step below a teacher, made over that.

Welders, plumbers, electricians, etc.
All those types of jobs. Though I suppose it depends on state. I'm going off my own state's wages for such, so the Northeast's where this is going on might be different.

[Alien Space Bats]

Working fast food is not suppose to be a carer. It should be something for high school and college kids. Not people trying to support a family.

But guess what? There are people trying to support a family on a fast food income. Why? Because there aren't any other friggin' jobs for them to do.

So what are you proposing? That people who are trying to support a family refuse to take fast food jobs so that "only kids" will be working there, and you can therefore insist that they be paid according to your (artificial) expectations? Should they just starve to death so that the world continues to work the way you think it ought to? I mean, you've got every conservative in the world howling about how people should get off their lazy asses and get a job; yet when that job is in fast food, you don't think they should take it? WTF is that?!?

[Gauthier]

Working fast food is not suppose to be a carer. It should be something for high school and college kids. Not people trying to support a family.

But guess what? There are people trying to support a family on a fast food income. Why? Because there aren't any other friggin' jobs for the to do.

So what are you proposing? That people who are trying to support a family refuse to take fast food jobs so that "only kids" will be working there, and you can therefore insist that they be paid according to your (artificial) expectations? Should they just starve to death so that they meet your expectations? I mean, you've got every conservative in the world howling about how people should get off their lazy asses and get a job; yet when that job is in fast food, you don;t think they should take it? WTF is that?!?

Everyone knows all the high-paying jobs are out there waiting to be filled except all the lazy parasites and looters are happy to settle for flipping burgers.

[Alien Space Bats]

Everyone knows all the high-paying jobs are out there waiting to be filled except all the lazy parasites and looters are happy to settle for flipping burgers.

Yeah, 'cause flipping burgers is easy. Unlike, say, working in an office pushing paper.

[The Grey Wolf]

Everyone knows all the high-paying jobs are out there waiting to be filled except all the lazy parasites and looters are happy to settle for flipping burgers.

Yeah, 'cause flipping burgers is easy. Unlike, say, working in an office pushing paper.

It isn't the best job in the world. But beats the hell out of going hungry. Glad I eventually found a better one, though.

[Warda]

Yeah, 'cause flipping burgers is easy. Unlike, say, working in an office pushing paper.

It isn't the best job in the world. But beats the hell out of going hungry. Glad I eventually found a better one, though.

/except in most places you will go hungry on min wage

[Wintersun]

But guess what? There are people trying to support a family on a fast food income. Why? Because there aren't any other friggin' jobs for the to do.

So what are you proposing? That people who are trying to support a family refuse to take fast food jobs so that "only kids" will be working there, and you can therefore insist that they be paid according to your (artificial) expectations? Should they just starve to death so that they meet your expectations? I mean, you've got every conservative in the world howling about how people should get off their lazy asses and get a job; yet when that job is in fast food, you don;t think they should take it? WTF is that?!?

Everyone knows all the high-paying jobs are out there waiting to be filled except all the lazy parasites and looters are happy to settle for flipping burgers.

I can't wait to graduate from uni so I can have a job where I work a measly 40-60 hours a week. The sad thing is the "full-time worker" is the real leech in this society when you look at the amount of work they do.

[Alien Space Bats]

Would you prefer that the workers be paid poorly but still have some income, or that those same people get no income with the business they used to work at shut down? Those are the only viable courses of action businesses with narrow profit margins can take.

Yet 45 years ago, the minimum wage was effectively 50% higher than it is today (in real terms), and three times higher in terms of the amount of productivity per labor hour needed to justify it.

So I'll repeat the question I asked several pages back: Why do today's businessmen suck so badly that they can't manage to run their businesses as efficiently and profitably as their grandfathers did back in the 1960's?

Are today's businessmen lazy, uneducated, or just plain stupid?

[Occupied Deutschland]

Would you prefer that the workers be paid poorly but still have some income, or that those same people get no income with the business they used to work at shut down? Those are the only viable courses of action businesses with narrow profit margins can take.

Yet 45 years ago, the minimum wage was effectively 50% higher than it is today (in real terms), and three times higher in terms of the amount of productivity per labor hour needed to justify it.

So I'll repeat the question I asked several pages back: Why do today's businessmen suck so badly that they can't manage to run their businesses as efficiently and profitably as their grandfathers did back in the 1960's?

Are today's businessmen lazy, uneducated, or just plain stupid?

Well, today's businessmen don't have the advantage of no other country being industrialized and everyone having to rely on US products if they weren't ComBloc second worlders.

[Warda]

Would you prefer that the workers be paid poorly but still have some income, or that those same people get no income with the business they used to work at shut down? Those are the only viable courses of action businesses with narrow profit margins can take.

Yet 45 years ago, the minimum wage was effectively 50% higher than it is today (in real terms), and three times higher in terms of the amount of productivity per labor hour needed to justify it.

So I'll repeat the question I asked several pages back: Why do today's businessmen suck so badly that they can't manage to run their businesses as efficiently and profitably as their grandfathers did back in the 1960's?

Are today's businessmen lazy, uneducated, or just plain stupid?

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[Delator]

Or even had to earn a living?

Well, considering that I'm 14, no.

And yet you have the gall to call other people lazy. People you've never met and know nothing about.

Shall we judge you as harshly??

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If they get $15/hr for flipping burgers I should be making atleast $35/hr. I do more work in a day than they do in a month. You know what'll happen if I ask for $35/hr? I won't have a job and won't get a new one. I think they should be paid better but $15 an hour is bullshit.

Don't lie.

I already have my rights. They don't deserve a god damn raise that high or even close.

Oh, so now it's about what they deserve...and you're the judge?

Are you aiming for a gold medal for arrogance??

Yes says me. How the hell can you take pride from a job where all you do is throw what amounts to modern gruel into cardboard boxes and ask if they want fries with that?

I also like how you get to decide which jobs people should be proud of and why.

Here's your gold medal.

Also, blocked.

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And now I'm picturing a sci-fi scenario where McDonald's resorts to using vat-grown armies of burger flippers that double as burger meat.

...close enough.

[Alien Space Bats]

William Dunkelberg, Chief Economist for the National Federation of Independent Business, says catering to the fast food worker's demands will kill jobs.

"Consider a community based pizza parlor selling 100 pies a day for 360 days at $10 each. Total revenue is $360,000. It employs 10 minimum wage workers earning $7 per hour, working 2000 hours a year, making labor costs $140,000.

"Assume rent, utilities, equipment, depreciation, insurance, supplies, licenses, and food costs come to $170,000 per year, leaving a profit of $50,000 for the owner and his/her family. Raising the minimum wage $1 would raise labor costs by $20,000 (paying more for the same amount of labor) and reduce profit to $30,000.

"The owner must either move into a smaller house or raise prices, which reduces the demand for pizza, resulting in the loss of a worker. So, the full increase in the wage cost of an increase in the minimum wage comes out of the pockets of customers or the owner's family, and the one person who loses a job. There was no net gain in income to increase spending in the community served as every dollar the minimum wage workers received came out of someone else's pocket in the community."

Workers argue that in the case of fast food, a $160 billion a year industry with executive compensation in the millions, there is room to pay workers a living wage. The workers have support of union, religious, and community leaders

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No one has really mentioned how this could affect "Mom and Pop Shops", which usually have better food. While big fast food chains, like Taco Bell or McDonalds, can afford to pay their employees more, most small restaurants may not be able to afford an increase in worker wages.

I would like to see minimal wage increased but I am concerned how this might affect family owned businesses.

Gosh, what did we do back in the 60's?

No McDonalds, no sub shops or delis, no Chinese restaurants, no pizzarias. It's amazing that any of us managed to eat at all...

It must have been horrible back then.

<thinks back, remembers>

Oh, wait. It wasn't. Hell, we even had Big Macs. They cost 45¢ at a time when the minimum wage was $1.60.

What's interesting is that — as I stated earlier — if we adjusted both that minimum wage and the price of a Big Mac for inflation, workers at McDonald's would be earning $10.59/hour — and the Big Mac would cost $2.69.

Instead, workers at McDonald's are earning $7.25/hr, and Big Macs cost an average of $4.20.

What does that tell you?

[Occupied Deutschland]

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No one has really mentioned how this could affect "Mom and Pop Shops", which usually have better food. While big fast food chains, like Taco Bell or McDonalds, can afford to pay their employees more, most small restaurants may not be able to afford an increase in worker wages.

I would like to see minimal wage increased but I am concerned how this might affect family owned businesses.

Gosh, what did we do back in the 60's?

No McDonalds, no sub shops or delis, no Chinese restaurants, no pizzarias. It's amazing that any of us managed to eat at all...

It must have been horrible back then.

<thinks back, remembers>

Oh, wait. It wasn't. Hell, we even had Big Macs. They cost 45¢ at a time when the minimum wage was $1.60.

What's interesting is that — as I stated earlier — if we adjusted both that minimum wage and the price of a Big Mac for inflation, workers at McDonald's would be earning $10.59/hour — and the Big Mac would cost $2.69.

Instead, workers at McDonald's are earning $7.25/hr, and Big Macs cost an average of $4.20.

What does that tell you?

Just off the top of my head it tells me price of materials has risen faster than inflation, which, judging by the number of countries that have begun industrializing and urbanizing and doing all the other fun -izings there are makes sense.