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Fast Food Workers Stage Strike, Demand Higher Minimal Wage.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:40 pm

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When you have a crap role then you take pride where you can. Not taking any sick time for 5 years, never burning a burger, a nice letter left by a customer.

All this talk of the glorious fast food proletariat is making me wish I tipped that particular service more often.


Alas, I have never worked in fast food, but I have had my fair share of minimum wage crap.

Still remember working the Saturday before Christmas at Tescos earning £3.18 an hour and that fucking family who stood there and watched me both checkout and pack their 3 trolleys of stuff.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:43 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:All this talk of the glorious fast food proletariat is making me wish I tipped that particular service more often.


Alas, I have never worked in fast food, but I have had my fair share of minimum wage crap.

Still remember working the Saturday before Christmas at Tescos earning £3.18 an hour and that fucking family who stood there and watched me both checkout and pack their 3 trolleys of stuff.

I know those feels, bro. I worked a minimum wage cleaning position for a year before being let go due to a complaint filed against me. Minimum wage jobs are rarely if ever good work.

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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:45 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Alas, I have never worked in fast food, but I have had my fair share of minimum wage crap.

Still remember working the Saturday before Christmas at Tescos earning £3.18 an hour and that fucking family who stood there and watched me both checkout and pack their 3 trolleys of stuff.

I know those feels, bro. I worked a minimum wage cleaning position for a year before being let go due to a complaint filed against me. Minimum wage jobs are rarely if ever good work.


Just whatever you do, don't work for theme parks. Seriously, if they started paying people minimum wage, it would be a vast improvement.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:55 pm

Blazedtown wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:So campaign for your rights. It's all you can really do. Or move.


I already have my rights. They don't deserve a god damn raise that high or even close. Working fast food is not suppose to be a carer. It should be something for high school and college kids. Not people trying to support a family.

Pretty anti-capitalist of you.

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Postby Geilinor » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:01 pm

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That's completely nuts.

Minimum wage jobs comprise a huge section of the workforce in any country. People have been raising families in these roles forever.


I'm not saying minimum wage jobs in general, just fast food.

Why just fast food?
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:02 pm

Chestaan wrote:
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If you can't take pride in your work, then work just turns into a lifetime of misery until you retire or more likely die from eating a diet of Big Macs for 40 years.


Sure, in an ideal world we'd all love our job and take pride in our work. Sadly many people don't have the choice to have an amazing job and take whatever they can to support themselves and their family.

Anarcho-capitalists and many libertarians don't understand that.
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Postby Jenrak » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:04 pm

As someone who worked in fast food during high school, college, and considered it for the past year, a higher minimal wage would be appreciated. It's got a pretty bad stigma to it that leads to a lot of customers shitting all over you, and like grocery stores, you get people from all walks of life, up to and including super creepy methheads (who are pretty bad) to makeup plastered mothers (who are the worst).

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:06 pm

Jenrak wrote:As someone who worked in fast food during high school, college, and considered it for the past year, a higher minimal wage would be appreciated. It's got a pretty bad stigma to it that leads to a lot of customers shitting all over you, and like grocery stores, you get people from all walks of life, up to and including super creepy methheads (who are pretty bad) to makeup plastered mothers (who are the worst).

Methheads are very scary.
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Postby Blazedtown » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:12 pm

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I already have my rights. They don't deserve a god damn raise that high or even close. Working fast food is not suppose to be a carer. It should be something for high school and college kids. Not people trying to support a family.

Pretty anti-capitalist of you.


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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:45 pm

Blazedtown wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Pretty anti-capitalist of you.


Am I suppose to care?

Oh lord no. I just find it amusing.

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Postby Blazedtown » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:53 pm

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Am I suppose to care?

Oh lord no. I just find it amusing.


How so?
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Postby Saiwania » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:20 pm

Chestaan wrote:$7.35? That's fucking ridiculous. If a business can't afford to pay workers a decent wage then they have no right to be in business.


Would you prefer that the workers be paid poorly but still have some income, or that those same people get no income with the business they used to work at shut down? Those are the only viable courses of action businesses with narrow profit margins can take.
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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:21 pm

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Chestaan wrote:$7.35? That's fucking ridiculous. If a business can't afford to pay workers a decent wage then they have no right to be in business.


Would you prefer that the workers be paid poorly but still have some income, or that those same people get no income with the business they used to work at shut down? Those are the only viable courses of action businesses with narrow profit margins can take.


No.
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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
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Postby Agorya » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:35 pm

Less than 8 bucks an hour? The very exact reason not to work at Micky's in the first place.

Also being served by a robot would make things much more streamlined.
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:37 pm

Agorya wrote:Less than 8 bucks an hour? The very exact reason not to work at Micky's in the first place.

Also being served by a robot would make things much more streamlined.


Until they malfunction and start killing every human being they see.
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Postby Galloism » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:39 pm

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Agorya wrote:Less than 8 bucks an hour? The very exact reason not to work at Micky's in the first place.

Also being served by a robot would make things much more streamlined.


Until they malfunction and start killing every human being they see.

Then we rally behind the Taco Bell robots who will defend all of us with Bastardized-Mexican goodness.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:39 pm

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Agorya wrote:Less than 8 bucks an hour? The very exact reason not to work at Micky's in the first place.

Also being served by a robot would make things much more streamlined.


Until they malfunction and start killing every human being they see.


More burgers for the rest of us....

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Postby Agorya » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:41 pm

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Agorya wrote:Less than 8 bucks an hour? The very exact reason not to work at Micky's in the first place.

Also being served by a robot would make things much more streamlined.


Until they malfunction and start killing every human being they see.


Then we unplug them. The plug is mightier than the sword.
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:43 pm

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Until they malfunction and start killing every human being they see.


Then we unplug them. The plug is mightier than the sword.


Plug? Are you from the 20th century? The robots run on power cells now.
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Postby Saiwania » Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:58 pm

Gauthier wrote:Plug? Are you from the 20th century? The robots run on power cells now.


A battery still needs to eventually be recharged or replaced, unless it is a solar panel which lasts for around 30-35 years but requires light.
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Postby Confederate States 0f America » Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:13 pm

William Dunkelberg, Chief Economist for the National Federation of Independent Business, says catering to the fast food worker's demands will kill jobs.

"Consider a community based pizza parlor selling 100 pies a day for 360 days at $10 each. Total revenue is $360,000. It employs 10 minimum wage workers earning $7 per hour, working 2000 hours a year, making labor costs $140,000.

"Assume rent, utilities, equipment, depreciation, insurance, supplies, licenses, and food costs come to $170,000 per year, leaving a profit of $50,000 for the owner and his/her family. Raising the minimum wage $1 would raise labor costs by $20,000 (paying more for the same amount of labor) and reduce profit to $30,000.

"The owner must either move into a smaller house or raise prices, which reduces the demand for pizza, resulting in the loss of a worker. So, the full increase in the wage cost of an increase in the minimum wage comes out of the pockets of customers or the owner's family, and the one person who loses a job. There was no net gain in income to increase spending in the community served as every dollar the minimum wage workers received came out of someone else's pocket in the community."

Workers argue that in the case of fast food, a $160 billion a year industry with executive compensation in the millions, there is room to pay workers a living wage. The workers have support of union, religious, and community leaders
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No one has really mentioned how this could affect "Mom and Pop Shops", which usually have better food. While big fast food chains, like Taco Bell or McDonalds, can afford to pay their employees more, most small restaurants may not be able to afford an increase in worker wages.

I would like to see minimal wage increased but I am concerned how this might affect family owned businesses.
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Postby Revolutionarily » Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:36 pm

Olthar wrote:Not the precious corporate profits! Anything but that! Those millionaires and billionaires need that money! D:

Minimum wage should be enough for a family to live on. I'm not sure about the technicalities of what that entails, so I don't know if $15/hr is enough, too much, or too little, but I do know that $7.35/hr is too little.

or they could get a real job and stop taking up space for highschool kids who actually need the job because it is the only place they can go

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Postby Gauthier » Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:57 pm

Revolutionarily wrote:
Olthar wrote:Not the precious corporate profits! Anything but that! Those millionaires and billionaires need that money! D:

Minimum wage should be enough for a family to live on. I'm not sure about the technicalities of what that entails, so I don't know if $15/hr is enough, too much, or too little, but I do know that $7.35/hr is too little.

or they could get a real job and stop taking up space for highschool kids who actually need the job because it is the only place they can go


Yep. All those Real Jobs are empty right now, waiting for people to fill them up.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:16 pm

Hathradic States wrote:Higher wages? yes. 15 a fucking hour? No.


That's a whole lot of money.

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Postby The Grey Wolf » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:18 pm

Olthar wrote:Not the precious corporate profits! Anything but that! Those millionaires and billionaires need that money! D:

Minimum wage should be enough for a family to live on. I'm not sure about the technicalities of what that entails, so I don't know if $15/hr is enough, too much, or too little, but I do know that $7.35/hr is too little.


15 dollars a hour is a lot of fucking money.

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