Is anyone actually harmed by gay marriage?

[Condunum]

Fascist libertarian? Have ideologies lost their meaning? Political ideology fusion has gone too far these days.

When I see an obvious fascist calling themselves a libertarian I'll call them out on what they are.

I'm pretty sure he isn't actually a fascist, but he's extremely authoritarian and traditionalist.

[Liriena]

Harmed? By gay marriage?! Are you serious?!?!

Why, every day when I wake up and stumble into the kitchen to grab my bowl of cereal I am assaulted by gay men wanting my fruit loops to decorate their sequined tutus for their impending ceremonies. I can't even use the bathroom without worrying that a glory hole might appear in place of my toilet paper roll. In fact, when I'm peeping... er, uh... gazing through my telescope and accidentally focus on the neighbors' bedrooms, gay sex distracts me from my own relationship so thoroughly that I have migraines. If they were to get married my relationship might be in complete ruins!!

I cannot allow this in the name of- oh my god, there's a gay man standing behind me with a wand threatening to turn me into Liza Minnelli if I post this! How do I delete?

As Pope of NSG, I bless your post. Gawd is pleased.

[Luveria]

When I see an obvious fascist calling themselves a libertarian I'll call them out on what they are.

I'm pretty sure he isn't actually a fascist, but he's extremely authoritarian and traditionalist.

So a perfect candidate for the Tea Party.

[Liriena]

The divorce rates are meaningless, as is the number of partners. Marriage has not lost its social and cultural value as of yet, and even in current conditions it serves its purpose: providing a modicum of stability to couples and their children.

If it's a social and cultural institution, why should it have anything to do with the state? I'm not against marriage, but I am against the state recognising marriage and giving any form of privilige to those who are married.

Hospital visitation as in being allowed to visit your family at the hospital. A married person's spouse counts as family and, therefor, is allowed to visit you. Anybody else, however, is not.

You really do live in a primitive country if that's the rule.
Again, that's not actually the case here, so clearly it's not a necessity.

People often are not legally literate enough to draw up a comprehensive final will, or they can't afford a lawyer for it.

Good thing they don't need a lawyer for that, then, and anything that can be read easily is sufficient.
All concerns so far have to do with whatever awful country you're from that has all these archaic rules.

When I speak of custody of children, I don't only mean biological children of a couple. I also mean adopted children.

And? You can register as a co-custodian here. It takes about half an hour of your time.

What country do you live in?

[Liriena]

The families that are shamed because Adam and Steve decided to make their perversions public.

Nope.

[Agritum]

If it's a social and cultural institution, why should it have anything to do with the state? I'm not against marriage, but I am against the state recognising marriage and giving any form of privilige to those who are married.



You really do live in a primitive country if that's the rule.
Again, that's not actually the case here, so clearly it's not a necessity.



Good thing they don't need a lawyer for that, then, and anything that can be read easily is sufficient.
All concerns so far have to do with whatever awful country you're from that has all these archaic rules.



And? You can register as a co-custodian here. It takes about half an hour of your time.

What country do you live in?

Netherlands.

[Chishimotata]

The families that are shamed because Adam and Steve decided to make their perversions public.

Nope.

Not you Liriena, but if you're spending your time wondering whether the people your kid wants to fuck are of the same gender or not, you really need to get a hobby.

[Luveria]

Nope.

Not you Liriena, but if you're spending your time wondering whether the people your kid wants to fuck are of the same gender or not, you really need to get a hobby.

I know you meant 'of the same sex or not', but they seem equally hostile to same-gender relations also.

[Chishimotata]

Not you Liriena, but if you're spending your time wondering whether the people your kid wants to fuck are of the same gender or not, you really need to get a hobby.

I know you meant 'of the same sex or not', but they seem equally hostile to same-gender relations also.

Sex and gender are two different things. I know what I meant.

[Papal England]

Yes, society and Catholic beliefs are harmed by gay marriage. The scriptures make it very clear about the position that all Catholics must take on the war against gay marriage.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Yes, society and Catholic beliefs are harmed by gay marriage. The scriptures make it very clear about the position that all Catholics must take on the war against gay marriage.

The Catholic Church is a plague on society.

[Mkuki]

Yes, society and Catholic beliefs are harmed by gay marriage. The scriptures make it very clear about the position that all Catholics must take on the war against gay marriage.

No, it doesn't.

[Chishimotata]

Yes, society and Catholic beliefs are harmed by gay marriage. The scriptures make it very clear about the position that all Catholics must take on the war against gay marriage.

Acts 15:7-11, Leviticus and Deuteronomy doesn't apply.
Mistranslations abound in Romans and others in which Paul didn't use the established Greek word for homosexuality but a totally different word -- presumed to mean "temple prostitute".

So you're wrong.

[Liriena]

Yes, society and Catholic beliefs are harmed by gay marriage. The scriptures make it very clear about the position that all Catholics must take on the war against gay marriage.

Don't lie. Lying is a sin.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Yes, society and Catholic beliefs are harmed by gay marriage. The scriptures make it very clear about the position that all Catholics must take on the war against gay marriage.

Acts 15:7-11, Leviticus and Deuteronomy doesn't apply.
Mistranslations abound in Romans and others in which Paul didn't use the established Greek word for homosexuality but a totally different word -- presumed to mean "temple prostitute".

So you're wrong.

Actually, you're wrong.

Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/a ... s2c2a6.htm

[Liriena]

What country do you live in?

Netherlands.

Well, I was speaking more in terms of the United States and Argentina, but even if that's really the case with the Netherlands, I still fail to see what pressing need there is to eliminate marriage as a secular institution.

[Mkuki]

Yes, society and Catholic beliefs are harmed by gay marriage. The scriptures make it very clear about the position that all Catholics must take on the war against gay marriage.

Don't lie. Lying is a sin.

Is lying a sin?

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Don't lie. Lying is a sin.

Is lying a sin?

False testimony, yes.

[Mkuki]

Is lying a sin?

False testimony, yes.

That doesn't just apply to trials?

[The Scientific States]

Yes, society and Catholic beliefs are harmed by gay marriage. The scriptures make it very clear about the position that all Catholics must take on the war against gay marriage.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjI ... rjwaqZfjIY

[Chishimotata]

Acts 15:7-11, Leviticus and Deuteronomy doesn't apply.
Mistranslations abound in Romans and others in which Paul didn't use the established Greek word for homosexuality but a totally different word -- presumed to mean "temple prostitute".

So you're wrong.

Actually, you're wrong.

Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/a ... s2c2a6.htm

When was this issued?

[Nationalist State of Knox]

False testimony, yes.

That doesn't just apply to trials?

No, it's lying in general.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Actually, you're wrong.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/a ... s2c2a6.htm

When was this issued?

It was released in 1992 by John Paul II.

[Mkuki]

That doesn't just apply to trials?

No, it's lying in general.

Do you have a source for that? Not just passages from the Bible, but the rulings of theologians, churches, etc.

[Chishimotata]

When was this issued?

It was released in 1992 by John Paul II.

Lovely. So I guess that's the official church position?