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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:44 pm

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Geilinor wrote:It's a slap in the face to the Christians that insist on following Leviticus. Even Jewish people don't follow rules like "don't wear mixed cloths" or "God hates homosexuals".

Some Jews do. The first one, anyway. Let's not generalize, despite where we are.
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Postby Leningrad Union » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:17 pm

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Farnhamia wrote:Some Jews do. The first one, anyway. Let's not generalize, despite where we are.

The only followers of Leviticus are Muslims.

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Postby Norstal » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:35 pm

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The only followers of Leviticus are Muslims.

Or coincidentally, Levites.

Who are Jews.
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Postby Rocopurr » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:41 pm

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The only followers of Leviticus are Muslims.

Muslims have the Quran. They don't follow the Leviticus.
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Postby Leningrad Union » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:43 pm

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Leningrad Union wrote:The only followers of Leviticus are Muslims.

Muslims have the Quran. They don't follow the Leviticus.

I meant it as they are the only ones that observe stuff that is in Leviticus although it is part of the Koran.

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Postby Xephyl » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:51 pm

It may not harm anyone but it is immoral and following through with homosexual thoughts becomes sin.
Thus they themselves are harmed when they end up in hell because of them not believing in the one true God.
However you cannot force belief on someone so homosexuality almost needs to be legal.

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Postby Divair » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:52 pm

Xephyl wrote:It may not harm anyone but it is immoral and following through with homosexual thoughts becomes sin.
Thus they themselves are harmed when they end up in hell because of them not believing in the one true God.
However you cannot force belief on someone so homosexuality almost needs to be legal.

Morality is subjective.

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:53 pm

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Xephyl wrote:It may not harm anyone but it is immoral and following through with homosexual thoughts becomes sin.
Thus they themselves are harmed when they end up in hell because of them not believing in the one true God.
However you cannot force belief on someone so homosexuality almost needs to be legal.

Morality is subjective.

Not really. Different people may have different moral codes, but that doesn't make all moral codes equally right. Abrahamic morality is objectively wrong.
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Postby Divair » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:54 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Divair wrote:Morality is subjective.

Not really. Different people may have different moral codes, but that doesn't make all moral codes equally right. Abrahamic morality is objectively wrong.

There's no such thing as objectively wrong. The closest you can come to "objectively wrong" is overwhelming consensus.

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Postby Leningrad Union » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:54 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Divair wrote:Morality is subjective.

Not really. Different people may have different moral codes, but that doesn't make all moral codes equally right. Abrahamic morality is objectively wrong.

I advise you not go further.

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Postby Rocopurr » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:56 pm

Xephyl wrote:It may not harm anyone but it is immoral and following through with homosexual thoughts becomes sin.
Thus they themselves are harmed when they end up in hell because of them not believing in the one true God.
However you cannot force belief on someone so homosexuality almost needs to be legal.

Fact of the day: Not everyone believes in your God, nor is marriage strictly religious.
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Postby Jormengand » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:57 pm

Divair wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Not really. Different people may have different moral codes, but that doesn't make all moral codes equally right. Abrahamic morality is objectively wrong.

There's no such thing as objectively wrong. The closest you can come to "objectively wrong" is overwhelming consensus.

Judiciously applying a combination of the EGR and intentionalism is about the closest you can get to objective morality, and that screws up on quite a lot of occasions.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:58 pm

Divair wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Not really. Different people may have different moral codes, but that doesn't make all moral codes equally right. Abrahamic morality is objectively wrong.

There's no such thing as objectively wrong. The closest you can come to "objectively wrong" is overwhelming consensus.

Well yeah, I guess it's kind of subjective and objective at the same time.
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Postby Divair » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:59 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Divair wrote:There's no such thing as objectively wrong. The closest you can come to "objectively wrong" is overwhelming consensus.

Well yeah, I guess it's kind of subjective and objective at the same time.

It's not objective at all. It just seems as such at times because some things (say, murder) the vast majority of us agree is wrong.

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Postby Meryuma » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:06 pm

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Arglorand wrote:Well, lately around where I live, there's been an awful lot of discussion about gay rights (sure is a pity I'm not there right now, because everything would be very fun if I was), largely due to a pride parade that happened a couple of days ago, which is a relatively rare event around here. So, NSG, allow me to bring the liberal communazi gay agenda to you and ask this - is anyone actually harmed by gay marriage?

I have heard all the "marriage is an ancient union of a man and a woman PILLARS OF SOCIETY and so on" arguments, but none of them seem to answer the key question - how does gay marriage harm anyone? Because to me and to presumably many, it does not harm anyone at all. And if it harms no one, I see no reason for it to be illegal.

Just so we're clear - I'm not asking you people why gay marriage should be illegal. I'm asking you if it, in any way, harms anyone. In any capacity.

There would be no harm in making gay marriage legal, nor would there be harm in gays being married. That does not mean that harm is completely stripped from the equation.

Those gay pride rallies? They are incredibly bothersome, as is the rest of gay propaganda. I do try to be civil when this issue comes up, but even I have to say that homosexuals are going to way too far of a length of preaching to the choir. It isn't people like me they need to convince (it's those crooked politicians), yet they keep shooting themselves in the foot with all of the public relations garbage. For all I care, legalize gay marriage and criminalize gay pride parades - they're way out of hand.

So what would happen if gay marriage were legalized? I'd make the argument that it would fly in the face of all tradition, but liberals do that anyway and I'm used to them (though I would like to see an actual balance between tradition and progress rather than rushing mindlessly at the future). I could also make the argument that millions of souls would be doomed, but in all honesty that's really only my problem if homosexuals are recruiting heterosexuals to be like them (which I really hope they're not doing).

No, my problem would be about what churches would do with this. Would they be mandated by the government to allow gays to marry there, or would they actually possess the right to refuse service? If churches were forced to allow gays to marry, that would certainly harm them and all they stand for...but hopefully that wouldn't be the case.

Tl;dr version: Gay marriage isn't harmful. The publicity for it is very harmful. Tell those gays to stop handing me fliers and start lobbying at the doors of their respective government establishments if they seek societal change.


1. Gay pride parades are really no different from any other holiday, they just have dudes making out.

2. Slavery is a tradition. Patriarchal polygamy is a tradition. Both these tradtions existed in Biblical society.

3. Why would God doom people's souls over something harmless like being gay if he's benevolent?

4. I wish I could turn people gay, but I totally can't. In fact, being attracted to a straight friend is very emotionally taxing for many gay teenagers.

5. Trying to change citizens and trying to change governments aren't mutually exclusive.

Rio Grande Do Sul-Porto Alegre wrote:I'm harmed because my government tries to enforce gaysism to a population who doesn't approve gay marriage .


How is force involved? Letting people freely engage in behavior you find distasteful is the opposite of force. Unless they send homophobes to death camps or something (which has never happened in history), I doubt you're being harmed.

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Really? Where do you live?


Brasil , 55 % doesn't want gaysism since the last census taken by IBOPE .


Why should the majority be able to force their beliefs on gays at the expense of the gays' well-being? That's known as tyranny.

Xephyl wrote:It may not harm anyone but it is immoral and following through with homosexual thoughts becomes sin.
Thus they themselves are harmed when they end up in hell because of them not believing in the one true God.
However you cannot force belief on someone so homosexuality almost needs to be legal.


Why do they end up in hell? A God who tortures people arbitrarily for all eternity is profoundly evil.
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Postby Utceforp » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:07 pm

Xephyl wrote:It may not harm anyone but it is immoral and following through with homosexual thoughts becomes sin.
Thus they themselves are harmed when they end up in hell because of them not believing in the one true God.

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Postby Distruzio » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:09 pm

I'm harmed by homosexual marriage. Quite directly, truth be told. How? Because I'd make one hell of an ugly bride and that shit aint fair. Homosexual brides are just as beautiful as heterosexual brides. Fuck that noise. Why can't I be beautiful too?
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Postby Leningrad Union » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:10 pm

Distruzio wrote:I'm harmed by homosexual marriage. Quite directly, truth be told. How? Because I'd make one hell of an ugly bride and that shit aint fair. Homosexual brides are just as beautiful as heterosexual brides. Fuck that noise. Why can't I be beautiful too?

What the actual fuck

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Postby Condunum » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:10 pm

Distruzio wrote:I'm harmed by homosexual marriage. Quite directly, truth be told. How? Because I'd make one hell of an ugly bride and that shit aint fair. Homosexual brides are just as beautiful as heterosexual brides. Fuck that noise. Why can't I be beautiful too?

Y'know, this is the most compelling argument I have seen all year. For anything, ever.
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Postby Distruzio » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:12 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:
Distruzio wrote:I'm harmed by homosexual marriage. Quite directly, truth be told. How? Because I'd make one hell of an ugly bride and that shit aint fair. Homosexual brides are just as beautiful as heterosexual brides. Fuck that noise. Why can't I be beautiful too?

What the actual fuck


It's called a joke, homeskillet. As in I'm not harmed at all because this ass? This is an ass people will fight you for. In the face.
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Postby Distruzio » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:13 pm

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Distruzio wrote:I'm harmed by homosexual marriage. Quite directly, truth be told. How? Because I'd make one hell of an ugly bride and that shit aint fair. Homosexual brides are just as beautiful as heterosexual brides. Fuck that noise. Why can't I be beautiful too?

Y'know, this is the most compelling argument I have seen all year. For anything, ever.


I can be quite convincing in my perspectives when I want to be. ;)
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Postby Utceforp » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:13 pm

Distruzio wrote:I'm harmed by homosexual marriage. Quite directly, truth be told. How? Because I'd make one hell of an ugly bride and that shit aint fair. Homosexual brides are just as beautiful as heterosexual brides. Fuck that noise. Why can't I be beautiful too?

This joke could mean several different things depending on your gender. So, in the immortal words of Professor Oak, "Are you a boy or a girl?"
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Postby Rocopurr » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:14 pm

Distruzio wrote:I'm harmed by homosexual marriage. Quite directly, truth be told. How? Because I'd make one hell of an ugly bride and that shit aint fair. Homosexual brides are just as beautiful as heterosexual brides. Fuck that noise. Why can't I be beautiful too?

Everyone is beautiful and yeah.

We can be ugly brides together! Forever.
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Postby Leningrad Union » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:14 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:What the actual fuck


It's called a joke, homeskillet. As in I'm not harmed at all because this ass? This is an ass people with fight you for. In the face.

I didn't think you were serious. I just thought that it was an "interesting" argument.

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Postby Distruzio » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:15 pm

Utceforp wrote:
Distruzio wrote:I'm harmed by homosexual marriage. Quite directly, truth be told. How? Because I'd make one hell of an ugly bride and that shit aint fair. Homosexual brides are just as beautiful as heterosexual brides. Fuck that noise. Why can't I be beautiful too?

This joke could mean several different things depending on your gender. So, in the immortal words of Professor Oak, "Are you a boy or a girl?"


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