Is anyone actually harmed by gay marriage?

[Dyakovo]

Your not demanding them, your asking them. If they wander too far out of the closet what happens next is not the governments fault.

How low are you sir?

Well underneath the bridge.
Seriously, how is his position surprising? He started out with blaming the victim.

[Solaray]

Your not demanding them, your asking them. If they wander too far out of the closet what happens next is not the governments fault.

Yes, it is. It's the governments fault for not stopping violence.

Wait, are we talking about violence, or just offensive speech? Because one is pretty innocent, and the other is a downright hate crime.

[Chishimotata]

Yes, it is. It's the governments fault for not stopping violence.

Wait, are we talking about violence, or just offensive speech? Because one is pretty innocent, and the other is a downright hate crime.

I presume he means actual violence.

[Neutraligon]

Yes, it is. It's the governments fault for not stopping violence.

Wait, are we talking about violence, or just offensive speech? Because one is pretty innocent, and the other is a downright hate crime.

Considering this has been about safety, we are talking about violence. So far this seems like the worst blaming the victim I have seen.

[Seitonjin]

How low are you sir?

Lower than Holland.

I chuckled...

How low are you sir?

Enough to lie about his own beliefs.

Well that's fucking sad. HE NEEDS CUDDLES!

How low are you sir?

Well underneath the bridge.
Seriously, how is his position surprising? He started out with blaming the victim.

Haha, classic Dya~

Well it's not surprising, just utterly disgusting.

[Solaray]

Wait, are we talking about violence, or just offensive speech? Because one is pretty innocent, and the other is a downright hate crime.

I presume he means actual violence.

Well then police should get involved, just like any other hate crime. It's not like you can just legalize gay hate crimes. That's just shnasty

[Liriena]

Enough to lie about his own beliefs.

Well that's fucking sad. HE NEEDS CUDDLES!

Cuddles and neko ears...to the Liri Cave!

[The Misotheist Reich]

Your not demanding them, your asking them. If they womder too far out of the closet what happens next is not the governments fault.

No. It's the fault of whatever mentally ill son of a million whores decides to harm them.
Cut your victim blaming out, and stop lying.

I am a Humam being. I know empathy, but Im straight so I dont care what happens to gay people because Im not gay. So its not my responsibility. You liberals can go charge into battle for the rainbow banner, but Im not. I could care less.

Victim blamimg hmm... I have been accused of many things ,but this is a first. The bigots dont have to attack homosexuals now do they? I never said they did. But I wont stop an anti gay activist from speaking his mind in a peaceful manner.

[Neutraligon]

I presume he means actual violence.

Well then police should get involved, just like any other hate crime. It's not like you can just legalize gay hate crimes. That's just shanty

hell, even if they couldn't prove why the attack occurred, assault is assault. This guy is basically saying that as long as the gay person is out of the closet, they can be assaulted by anyone, and it is their fault.

[Chishimotata]

Wait, are we talking about violence, or just offensive speech? Because one is pretty innocent, and the other is a downright hate crime.

Considering this has been about safety, we are talking about violence. So far this seems like the worst blaming the victim I have seen.

Worse than someone saying that the Steubenville rape victim was really a slutty, slutty whore and that we need a dumb whore registry to protect the innocent, incorruptible, well-rounded football players from people like her?

[The Scientific States]

No. It's the fault of whatever mentally ill son of a million whores decides to harm them.
Cut your victim blaming out, and stop lying.

Victim blamimg hmm... I have been accused of many thing, but this is a first. The bigots dont have to attack homosexuals now do they? I never said they did. But I wont stop an anti gay activist from speaking his mind in a peaceful manner.

The bigots should not be allowed to carry out hate crimes against homosexuals.

[Neutraligon]

No. It's the fault of whatever mentally ill son of a million whores decides to harm them.
Cut your victim blaming out, and stop lying.

Victim blamimg hmm... I have been accused of many thing, but this is a first. The bigots dont have to attack homosexuals now do they? I never said they did. But I wont stop an anti gay activist from speaking his mind in a peaceful manner.

Then you really haven't been reading the thread, every last one of us has been claiming you are blaming the victim.

[Luveria]

No. It's the fault of whatever mentally ill son of a million whores decides to harm them.
Cut your victim blaming out, and stop lying.

Victim blamimg hmm... I have been accused of many thing, but this is a first. The bigots dont have to attack homosexuals now do they? I never said they did. But I wont stop an anti gay activist from speaking his mind in a peaceful manner.

Victim blaming. Exhibit A:

Your not demanding them, your asking them. If they womder too far out of the closet what happens next is not the governments fault.

You're directly implying it's the gay person's fault.

[Lithosano]

No. It's the fault of whatever mentally ill son of a million whores decides to harm them.
Cut your victim blaming out, and stop lying.

Victim blamimg hmm... I have been accused of many things ,but this is a first. The bigots dont have to attack homosexuals now do they? I never said they did. But I wont stop an anti gay activist from speaking his mind in a peaceful manner.

Yet you are perfectly comfortable forcibly silencing gay people.

That is some top quality hypocrisy right there.

[Williamson]

No. It's the fault of whatever mentally ill son of a million whores decides to harm them.
Cut your victim blaming out, and stop lying.

Victim blamimg hmm... I have been accused of many things .but this is a first. The bigots dont have to attack homosexuals now do they? I never said they did. But I wont stop an anti gay activist from speaking his mind in a peaceful manner.

you basically said they need to stay in the closet and if we don't lets do nothing about them be discriminated

[Solaray]

Wait, are we talking about violence, or just offensive speech? Because one is pretty innocent, and the other is a downright hate crime.

Considering this has been about safety, we are talking about violence. So far this seems like the worst blaming the victim I have seen.

Well that's not right. Sure the more flamboyant gay types can be annoying, but that sure doesn't give you an excuse to commit a hate crime. And it definitely shouldn't keep you out of jail by blaming them.

[Chishimotata]

Victim blamimg hmm... I have been accused of many things ,but this is a first. The bigots dont have to attack homosexuals now do they? I never said they did. But I wont stop an anti gay activist from speaking his mind in a peaceful manner.

Yet you are perfectly comfortable forcibly silencing gay people.

That is some top quality hypocrisy right there.

He's pro-bigot, don't you know that? It keeps him from ever having to feel uncomfortable in his rather privileged position as a straight dude.

[Neutraligon]

Victim blamimg hmm... I have been accused of many things ,but this is a first. The bigots dont have to attack homosexuals now do they? I never said they did. But I wont stop an anti gay activist from speaking his mind in a peaceful manner.

Yet you are perfectly comfortable forcibly silencing gay people.

That is some top quality hypocrisy right there.

I asked the question the second he got back. He even replied to that very post...and ignored that question.

[Dyakovo]

No. It's the fault of whatever mentally ill son of a million whores decides to harm them.
Cut your victim blaming out, and stop lying.

Victim blamimg hmm... I have been accused of many things ,but this is a first. The bigots dont have to attack homosexuals now do they? I never said they did. But I wont stop an anti gay activist from speaking his mind in a peaceful manner.

No, they don't. However you're placing the blame of a potential attack on the victim, not the perpetrator.

[Liriena]

No. It's the fault of whatever mentally ill son of a million whores decides to harm them.
Cut your victim blaming out, and stop lying.

Victim blamimg hmm... I have been accused of many thing, but this is a first. The bigots dont have to attack homosexuals now do they? I never said they did. But I wont stop an anti gay activist from speaking his mind in a peaceful manner.

You just blamed gay people and the recognition of their human rights, and repeatedly so, for whatever discrimination and violence they could face. You went as far as saying that LGBT people should be forced to remain in the closet for their own safety.

It's the LGBT rights equivalent of telling a woman not to dress in a certain fashion to avoid being raped.

Also, are you ever going to acknowledge the fact that you are lying right now? Until you recognize your own bullshit, I'll just keep posting this post of yours, from only a few days back...back when you didn't care for the safety of LGBT people.

I am a Humam being. I know empathy, but Im straight so I dont care what happens to gay people because Im not gay. So its not my responsibility. You liberals can go charge into battle for the rainbow banner, but Im not. I could care less.

[Lithosano]

Yet you are perfectly comfortable forcibly silencing gay people.

That is some top quality hypocrisy right there.

He's pro-bigot, don't you know that? It keeps him from ever having to feel uncomfortable in his rather privileged position as a straight dude.

Oh yes, we've debated in the past.

Straight white male: life's easy setting.

[Blasveck]

Well that's fucking sad. HE NEEDS CUDDLES!

Cuddles and neko ears...to the Liri Cave!

Is the bed large enough, Liri?

[Riiser-Larsen]

No. It's the fault of whatever mentally ill son of a million whores decides to harm them.
Cut your victim blaming out, and stop lying.

Victim blamimg hmm... I have been accused of many things ,but this is a first. The bigots dont have to attack homosexuals now do they? I never said they did. But I wont stop an anti gay activist from speaking his mind in a peaceful manner.

But you haven't been arguing "let the anti-gay activists have freedom of speech", you've been arguing "It's only the homosexuals fault for being discriminated against. Whether they're attacked, beaten, killed, or harassed, it's all their fault because they're gay. This is an incredible level of victim blaming, and I can't believe that you haven't noticed that you've been doing it.

[Tsiryli]

Pre-emptively I'd like to say "inb4 the lock," but as that's not constructive enough to justify me even clicking the post button, I'll add some other input.

I don't believe that gay marriage is harmful. I don't believe that any variety of marriage between consenting people of sound mind is harmful. Marriage, despite what the traditionalists would have their opponents believe, has changed definitions many times. In past eras of human history, marriage has been a property contract between families with the bride and/or some amount of money or goods have been collateral on that "transaction." Marriage has been one man and many women, one man and one woman, one woman and many men, two women, two men, multiple women, multiple men, cisgendered and transgendered individuals. Marriage has been a peace treaty among feuding families, dynasties, even empires. It has been metaphorical, as in a "political marriage," where there isn't even a contractual or even mutual affection involved. Marriage has been a taboo for some in certain contexts and a celebration for others in different contexts. Marriage has drawn boundaries between life, death, imprisonment, slavery, freedom, success, failure, love, alliance, hatred, and animosity. Marriage has been a subject of play among children and a subject of business among adults. Marriage has been the source of many trillions of dollars worth of ceremony, reception, religious vows, secular documents, government records, tax breaks, and divorce proceedings.

(Humorously I may add that marriage of any stripe is the #1 cause of divorce, although that is not exactly the topic at hand here.)

Marriage has changed definitions and interpretations so many times that it's a wonder it remains a concept in our interlingual lexicon. If "gay marriage" contradicts the current definition(s) of marriage, then so be it. It would appear to be the natural progression of things. For our language, like our society, to evolve. Many of you will disagree with me, I'm sure. But what we are experiencing now is a transition to a new norm, and honestly, a better norm. A better state of existence, where people who have long since been oppressed will be (legally, at least) looked upon as equals. The naysayers and gay bashers of the world will slowly retire into silence. I believe a certain nineties movie has a relevant line, though more related to aliens than non-heterosexuals:

"1,500 years ago, everybody knew that the Earth was the center of the universe. 500 years ago, everybody knew that the Earth was flat. And 15 minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow."

While these numbers are perhaps erroneous or exaggerated, the norm changes. The order of the ages, the zeitgeist, the prerequisites for cultural literacy and understanding will, as they always have, change. The world will come to accept gays, and for that matter, everyone else. There are many today who would seek to hinder that progress, but imagine what they'll know tomorrow.

[The Misotheist Reich]

Victim blamimg hmm... I have been accused of many thing, but this is a first. The bigots dont have to attack homosexuals now do they? I never said they did. But I wont stop an anti gay activist from speaking his mind in a peaceful manner.

Victim blaming. Exhibit A:

Your not demanding them, your asking them. If they womder too far out of the closet what happens next is not the governments fault.

You're directly implying it's the gay person's fault.

Yes it is their fault for wandering a little too far off the trail. But also that dosent means that someone must attack. Government penalties for self endangerment would be perfect for those wanderers.