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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:56 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:
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Actually, it wouldn't be, even in countries where people try and keep it safe, people are illed for apparent homosexuality. And again, why not have people deal with those who are breaking the law by harming homosexuals instead of forcing homosexuals into the closet (preventing them from their freedom of speech). You really did fail to answer my question.


How can homosexuals get hurt if bigots dont know that their enemy exist?

They're hurt because of people like you demanding that they not be themselves. How would you like it if you had to hide who you truly are from everyone or risk being murdered because of people who would rather not attack the problem but instead pretend that they care.
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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:56 pm

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Tlaceceyaya wrote:Why not address the fucking problem — the bigots — rather than be one of them? When there are people oppressing others, the human thing to do is to stop the oppressors, not oppress the oppressed.


How is a secret oppressive?

How would you feel if you had to keep your sexuality a secret or be killed?
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Postby Chishimotata » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:56 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Actually, it wouldn't be, even in countries where people try and keep it safe, people are illed for apparent homosexuality. And again, why not have people deal with those who are breaking the law by harming homosexuals instead of forcing homosexuals into the closet (preventing them from their freedom of speech). You really did fail to answer my question.


How can homosexuals get hurt if bigots dont know that their enemy exist?

I'm going to go silver medal debating people! For serious! :palm:

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Postby Seitonjin » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:57 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:Why not address the fucking problem — the bigots — rather than be one of them? When there are people oppressing others, the human thing to do is to stop the oppressors, not oppress the oppressed.


How is a secret oppressive?

You are cutting off their ways of expression.

Oppressive dickery right there.
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Postby Blasveck » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:57 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Actually, it wouldn't be, even in countries where people try and keep it safe, people are illed for apparent homosexuality. And again, why not have people deal with those who are breaking the law by harming homosexuals instead of forcing homosexuals into the closet (preventing them from their freedom of speech). You really did fail to answer my question.


How can homosexuals get hurt if bigots dont know that their enemy exist?


Then don't be a bigot?

You're literally defending bigots if gay people come out of the closet.
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Postby Belligerent Alcoholics » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:57 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:I care for gays so much I care for their saftey

Yeah, and people watch porn for the acting. :roll:
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Postby The Scientific States » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:57 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Actually, it wouldn't be, even in countries where people try and keep it safe, people are illed for apparent homosexuality. And again, why not have people deal with those who are breaking the law by harming homosexuals instead of forcing homosexuals into the closet (preventing them from their freedom of speech). You really did fail to answer my question.


How can homosexuals get hurt if bigots dont know that their enemy exist?


Fascists and bigots are my enemies, Im not going around telling them to hide who they are.
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Postby The Misotheist Reich » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:58 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
The Misotheist Reich wrote:
How is a secret oppressive?

What is oppressive is people like you demanding that they hide who they are; that they live in perpetual fear because you are pretending that you care for their safety when you oppress them.


Your not demanding them, your asking them. If they wander too far out of the closet what happens next is not the governments fault.
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Postby Luveria » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:58 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Actually, it wouldn't be, even in countries where people try and keep it safe, people are illed for apparent homosexuality. And again, why not have people deal with those who are breaking the law by harming homosexuals instead of forcing homosexuals into the closet (preventing them from their freedom of speech). You really did fail to answer my question.


How can homosexuals get hurt if bigots dont know that their enemy exist?

Because you're hurting homosexual people by telling them they should hide their sexual orientation and lie about who they are. Homosexuals aren't the enemy of bigots. Bigots like you are the enemy of homosexual people.

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Postby Williamson » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:59 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:What is oppressive is people like you demanding that they hide who they are; that they live in perpetual fear because you are pretending that you care for their safety when you oppress them.


Your not demanding them, your asking them. If they womder too far out of the closet what happens next is not the governments fault.

please answer me this why shouldn't the government go after the bigots

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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:00 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Actually, it wouldn't be, even in countries where people try and keep it safe, people are illed for apparent homosexuality. And again, why not have people deal with those who are breaking the law by harming homosexuals instead of forcing homosexuals into the closet (preventing them from their freedom of speech). You really did fail to answer my question.


How can homosexuals get hurt if bigots dont know that their enemy exist?


Because despite how some people try to hide it, it can be very difficult to hide a part of yourself. Because even without proof, people claim others are gay (sometimes when they are not) and attack them anyway. You still haven't answered why we shouldn't deal with the people causing actual harm in the first place. Nor have you explained why you are wiling to force people to give up their freedom of speech.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:00 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:What is oppressive is people like you demanding that they hide who they are; that they live in perpetual fear because you are pretending that you care for their safety when you oppress them.


Your not demanding them, your asking them. If they womder too far out of the closet what happens next is not the governments fault.

Have we seriously moved to victim blaming here?
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:00 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:What is oppressive is people like you demanding that they hide who they are; that they live in perpetual fear because you are pretending that you care for their safety when you oppress them.


Your not demanding them, your asking them. If they womder too far out of the closet what happens next is not the governments fault.

"If they wander out too far from their house what happens next when the murderous gangs get them is not the government's fault."
A government's duty is to ADDRESS THE FUCKING PROBLEM. Address the fucking bigots, don't let people oppress them.
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Postby Chishimotata » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:00 pm

Genivaria wrote:
The Misotheist Reich wrote:
Your not demanding them, your asking them. If they womder too far out of the closet what happens next is not the governments fault.

Have we seriously moved to victim blaming here?

Are you fucking surprised?

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Postby Liriena » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:00 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:What is oppressive is people like you demanding that they hide who they are; that they live in perpetual fear because you are pretending that you care for their safety when you oppress them.


Your not demanding them, your asking them. If they womder too far out of the closet what happens next is not the governments fault.

No. It's the fault of whatever mentally ill son of a million whores decides to harm them.
Cut your victim blaming out, and stop lying.

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:01 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:What is oppressive is people like you demanding that they hide who they are; that they live in perpetual fear because you are pretending that you care for their safety when you oppress them.


Your not demanding them, your asking them. If they wander too far out of the closet what happens next is not the governments fault.

Yes, it is. It's the governments fault for not stopping violence.
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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:01 pm

Genivaria wrote:
The Misotheist Reich wrote:
Your not demanding them, your asking them. If they womder too far out of the closet what happens next is not the governments fault.

Have we seriously moved to victim blaming here?

Moved to? He started from that position.
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Postby The Scientific States » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:01 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:What is oppressive is people like you demanding that they hide who they are; that they live in perpetual fear because you are pretending that you care for their safety when you oppress them.


Your not demanding them, your asking them. If they wander too far out of the closet what happens next is not the governments fault.


Blame the victim tactics?

That's a new low.
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:01 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:What is oppressive is people like you demanding that they hide who they are; that they live in perpetual fear because you are pretending that you care for their safety when you oppress them.


Your not demanding them, your asking them. If they wander too far out of the closet what happens next is not the governments fault.


It is the people who cause harm who are at fault. How hard is this to understand? :roll:

The Misotheist Reich. All of these comments are asking you the same thing. Why not go after those who are actually doing something wrong by harming another human being?
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Postby Luveria » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:01 pm

Genivaria wrote:
The Misotheist Reich wrote:
Your not demanding them, your asking them. If they womder too far out of the closet what happens next is not the governments fault.

Have we seriously moved to victim blaming here?


Called it.

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The Misotheist Reich wrote:My friend I am not a bigot. I care for gays so much I care for their saftey I dont understand why anyone one cant understand. I really do care. I just want them to keep their personel lives secret. I cant understand why everyone attacks me. In fact I never understood. I just want whats best for people thats all.

You are a bigot.

Bigot:

a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.


You see what you're doing? You're being intolerant of gay people. You're devoted to your opinion of oppressing gay people. You're telling gay people to hide their sexual orientation so that they are safe from bigots. That's a really fucked up way of thinking. You're probably one of those people who tells rape victims they shouldn't have dressed so slutty if they didn't want to get raped.

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Postby Chishimotata » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:01 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:What is oppressive is people like you demanding that they hide who they are; that they live in perpetual fear because you are pretending that you care for their safety when you oppress them.


Your not demanding them, your asking them. If they wander too far out of the closet what happens next is not the governments fault.

Yeah, you know what? FUCK THAT BULLSHIT.

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Postby Seitonjin » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:02 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:What is oppressive is people like you demanding that they hide who they are; that they live in perpetual fear because you are pretending that you care for their safety when you oppress them.


Your not demanding them, your asking them. If they wander too far out of the closet what happens next is not the governments fault.

How low are you sir?
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Postby The Scientific States » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:03 pm

Seitonjin wrote:
The Misotheist Reich wrote:
Your not demanding them, your asking them. If they wander too far out of the closet what happens next is not the governments fault.

How low are you sir?


Lower than Holland.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:03 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Have we seriously moved to victim blaming here?

Moved to? He started from that position.

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Postby Liriena » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:03 pm

Seitonjin wrote:
The Misotheist Reich wrote:
Your not demanding them, your asking them. If they wander too far out of the closet what happens next is not the governments fault.

How low are you sir?

Enough to lie about his own beliefs.
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