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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:11 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:I may seem to you as a bigot, a horrible person.

There might be a reason for that...
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:13 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:I dont understand what I did to get banned. I was simply staing my most honest opinions, and view points. I may seem to you as a bigot, a horrible person. But the reason behind my argument is that I care about the gays. I dont want them to get hurt. But I dont want the government breating down my neck with anti discrimination laws either. I only want gays to be safe from discrimination, thats all. As a human being I am inclined to care about others which I do. I respect gays as living breathing human beings with feelings, and hearts. I wouldnt want to see them get hurt. I hate homosexualism not homosexuals. I dont like the idea of two of the same sex in a relationship, but I still respect the homosexuals as human beings. I hate communism, but not communist. For its the idea I despise, not the people behind it. So my theory is that to respect peoples freedom to free speech in free countries though I appose it some instances, I am not willing to give it up whlie I still have it, and to ensure this freedom for non violent anti gay activist. If you were gay I wouldnt hate you, I would respect you, but that dosent mean I have to like the idea of two men or two women being in a relationship together. If your an athiest you dont attack theist do you? No you dont. You disagree with the notion of a higher intelligence, but you still can respect christians, jews, muslims, buddist, hinduist, etc.


You got banned becuase of the way in which you worded your opinion. You want to prevent discrimination of homosexuals (etc) by discriminating them, how does this make sense?You claim to respect their freedom of speech, and yet you want to force them into closets. These are contradictory ideas.
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Postby Cadaver breadsticks » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:15 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:I hate homosexualism not homosexuals.
That's the same thing as a racist saying "I hate people being black, not black people!".
The Misotheist Reich wrote:For its the idea I despise, not the people behind it.
Sexual orientation is not an idea. Nowhere close
The Misotheist Reich wrote:If you were gay I wouldnt hate you, I would respect you, but that dosent mean I have to like the idea of two men or two women being in a relationship together.
Not liking two people of the same sex being in a relationship with each other does not give anybody justification to deny them the right to marry.
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Postby Blasveck » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:15 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:I dont understand what I did to get banned. I was simply staing my most honest opinions, and view points. I may seem to you as a bigot, a horrible person. But the reason behind my argument is that I care about the gays. I dont want them to get hurt. But I dont want the government breating down my neck with anti discrimination laws either. I only want gays to be safe from discrimination, thats all. As a human being I am inclined to care about others which I do. I respect gays as living breathing human beings with feelings, and hearts. I wouldnt want to see them get hurt. I hate homosexualism not homosexuals. I dont like the idea of two of the same sex in a relationship, but I still respect the homosexuals as human beings. I hate communism, but not communist. For its the idea I despise, not the people behind it. So my theory is that to respect peoples freedom to free speech in free countries though I appose it some instances, I am not willing to give it up whlie I still have it, and to ensure this freedom for non violent anti gay activist. If you were gay I wouldnt hate you, I would respect you, but that dosent mean I have to like the idea of two men or two women being in a relationship together. If your an athiest you dont attack theist do you? No you dont. You disagree with the notion of a higher intelligence, but you still can respect christians, jews, muslims, buddist, hinduist, etc.


1. Describe "homosexualism"
2. If you care about gay people, you'd let them be themselves and you'd want anti-discrimination laws. But you don't, so it's pretty obvious that you don't care. I want to e able to be myself, and not have to hide from people like you. Do you know what it's like to lie to yourself, and everybody around you? You don't.

So don't you fucking tell me to hide.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:16 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:I dont understand what I did to get banned. I was simply staing my most honest opinions, and view points. I may seem to you as a bigot, a horrible person. But the reason behind my argument is that I care about the gays. I dont want them to get hurt. But I dont want the government breating down my neck with anti discrimination laws either. I only want gays to be safe from discrimination, thats all. As a human being I am inclined to care about others which I do. I respect gays as living breathing human beings with feelings, and hearts. I wouldnt want to see them get hurt. I hate homosexualism not homosexuals. I dont like the idea of two of the same sex in a relationship, but I still respect the homosexuals as human beings. I hate communism, but not communist. For its the idea I despise, not the people behind it. So my theory is that to respect peoples freedom to free speech in free countries though I appose it some instances, I am not willing to give it up whlie I still have it, and to ensure this freedom for non violent anti gay activist. If you were gay I wouldnt hate you, I would respect you, but that dosent mean I have to like the idea of two men or two women being in a relationship together. If your an athiest you dont attack theist do you? No you dont. You disagree with the notion of a higher intelligence, but you still can respect christians, jews, muslims, buddist, hinduist, etc.

You're not trying to deny Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, or Hindus the right to marry or have children.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:21 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:I dont understand what I did to get banned. I was simply staing my most honest opinions, and view points. I may seem to you as a bigot, a horrible person. But the reason behind my argument is that I care about the gays. I dont want them to get hurt. But I dont want the government breating down my neck with anti discrimination laws either. I only want gays to be safe from discrimination, thats all. As a human being I am inclined to care about others which I do. I respect gays as living breathing human beings with feelings, and hearts. I wouldnt want to see them get hurt. I hate homosexualism not homosexuals. I dont like the idea of two of the same sex in a relationship, but I still respect the homosexuals as human beings. I hate communism, but not communist. For its the idea I despise, not the people behind it. So my theory is that to respect peoples freedom to free speech in free countries though I appose it some instances, I am not willing to give it up whlie I still have it, and to ensure this freedom for non violent anti gay activist. If you were gay I wouldnt hate you, I would respect you, but that dosent mean I have to like the idea of two men or two women being in a relationship together. If your an athiest you dont attack theist do you? No you dont. You disagree with the notion of a higher intelligence, but you still can respect christians, jews, muslims, buddist, hinduist, etc.

You say you hate communism.
Why aren't you a bigot towards communists? Why just restrict the rights of homosexuals to be homosexual? Why not restrict the rights of communists to be communists?
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Postby Divided America » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:23 pm

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Postby Cadaver breadsticks » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:23 pm

Divided America wrote:Russians hate them

That doesn't have anything to do with them being harmed by gay marriage. Try again.
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Postby The Misotheist Reich » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:24 pm

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The Misotheist Reich wrote:I dont understand what I did to get banned. I was simply staing my most honest opinions, and view points. I may seem to you as a bigot, a horrible person. But the reason behind my argument is that I care about the gays. I dont want them to get hurt. But I dont want the government breating down my neck with anti discrimination laws either. I only want gays to be safe from discrimination, thats all. As a human being I am inclined to care about others which I do. I respect gays as living breathing human beings with feelings, and hearts. I wouldnt want to see them get hurt. I hate homosexualism not homosexuals. I dont like the idea of two of the same sex in a relationship, but I still respect the homosexuals as human beings. I hate communism, but not communist. For its the idea I despise, not the people behind it. So my theory is that to respect peoples freedom to free speech in free countries though I appose it some instances, I am not willing to give it up whlie I still have it, and to ensure this freedom for non violent anti gay activist. If you were gay I wouldnt hate you, I would respect you, but that dosent mean I have to like the idea of two men or two women being in a relationship together. If your an athiest you dont attack theist do you? No you dont. You disagree with the notion of a higher intelligence, but you still can respect christians, jews, muslims, buddist, hinduist, etc.


1. Describe "homosexualism"
2. If you care about gay people, you'd let them be themselves and you'd want anti-discrimination laws. But you don't, so it's pretty obvious that you don't care. I want to e able to be myself, and not have to hide from people like you. Do you know what it's like to lie to yourself, and everybody around you? You don't.

So don't you fucking tell me to hide.


I will not discriminate against you. Thats not me. In my eyes I just want to ensure the saftey of an extremly vunerable minority. Homosexualism is the actions taken by a homosexual whether sexual or through a demonstration of affection. Thats homosexualism. I dont like it. But I like homosexuals. I wouldnt want them to get hurt. They are people too you know. I would want them to stay hidden to make sure people rights arent beimg violated the right saftey, freedom of speech, etc. How long till I cant speak my opinion because of anti discrimination laws that would justify the elimnation of freedom of speech in society. Its only good if you arrest someone for saying someone about gays, but what about when places like North Korea arrest people for speaking up thats tyranny right? You see I want homosexuals to be happy by making them safe. Marriage would put them at risk, and make them targets. Would a bigot want to insure the saftey of the group he hates, I think not.
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Postby Chishimotata » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:24 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:I dont understand what I did to get banned. I was simply staing my most honest opinions, and view points.

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Emphasis mine.

Your opinion was (according to the mods) highly inflammatory for the sake of inflammation. Your wording was... quite poor.

The Misotheist Reich wrote:I may seem to you as a bigot, a horrible person. But the reason behind my argument is that I care about the gays.

If you did, you'd teach people not to be douchebags, not appeasing them by upholding an oppressive status quo.

The Misotheist Reich wrote:I dont want them to get hurt. But I dont want the government breating down my neck with anti discrimination laws either.

Then don't act like a dick. Duh.

The Misotheist Reich wrote:I only want gays to be safe from discrimination, thats all. As a human being I am inclined to care about others which I do. I respect gays as living breathing human beings with feelings, and hearts. I wouldnt want to see them get hurt.

Except that you're telling anyone who's not a heterosexual that their sexuality is horrible and that it must be hidden and suppressed so that people like you don't have to worry about two gay people doing it.

How you see that as not harmful is beyond me.

The Misotheist Reich wrote:I hate homosexualism not homosexuals.

What the fuck is homosexualism?

The Misotheist Reich wrote:I dont like the idea of two of the same sex in a relationship, but I still respect the homosexuals as human beings.

One of these things is not like the other.

How can you respect someone as a human being if you're telling them "your sexuality is yucky, I don't want to see it"?

The Misotheist Reich wrote:I hate communism, but not communist. For its the idea I despise, not the people behind it. So my theory is that to respect peoples freedom to free speech in free countries though I appose it some instances, I am not willing to give it up whlie I still have it, and to ensure this freedom for non violent anti gay activist. If you were gay I wouldnt hate you, I would respect you, but that dosent mean I have to like the idea of two men or two women being in a relationship together.

So much wrong here. For one thing: you think that telling people that their sexuality is icky = respect.

The Misotheist Reich wrote:If your an athiest you dont attack theist do you? No you dont. You disagree with the notion of a higher intelligence, but you still can respect christians, jews, muslims, buddist, hinduist, etc.

Respect? :rofl: You mean "tolerate" and "acknowledge".
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Postby Menassa » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:24 pm

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The Misotheist Reich wrote:I dont understand what I did to get banned. I was simply staing my most honest opinions, and view points. I may seem to you as a bigot, a horrible person. But the reason behind my argument is that I care about the gays. I dont want them to get hurt. But I dont want the government breating down my neck with anti discrimination laws either. I only want gays to be safe from discrimination, thats all. As a human being I am inclined to care about others which I do. I respect gays as living breathing human beings with feelings, and hearts. I wouldnt want to see them get hurt. I hate homosexualism not homosexuals. I dont like the idea of two of the same sex in a relationship, but I still respect the homosexuals as human beings. I hate communism, but not communist. For its the idea I despise, not the people behind it. So my theory is that to respect peoples freedom to free speech in free countries though I appose it some instances, I am not willing to give it up whlie I still have it, and to ensure this freedom for non violent anti gay activist. If you were gay I wouldnt hate you, I would respect you, but that dosent mean I have to like the idea of two men or two women being in a relationship together. If your an athiest you dont attack theist do you? No you dont. You disagree with the notion of a higher intelligence, but you still can respect christians, jews, muslims, buddist, hinduist, etc.

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This is still going on?

God damn.
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Divided America wrote:Russians hate them


No, just Putin.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:25 pm

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Geilinor wrote:HIV/AIDS is not inherent to homosexuality. Lesbians have a low rate of HIV/AIDS infection. http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/women/resources/factsheets/wsw.htm


Yes but just because a city has a low crime rate dosent mean that cops can just sit around, and do nothing right? Same thing applies to AIDS, lesbians can exchange bodily fluids during intercourse thus if one partner has AIDS she will pass it on.

That applies to heterosexual sex as well. It's completely unrelated to the topic right now. We do need universal sex education and easy access to protection however. That's obvious.
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Tlaceceyaya wrote:
The Misotheist Reich wrote:I dont understand what I did to get banned. I was simply staing my most honest opinions, and view points. I may seem to you as a bigot, a horrible person. But the reason behind my argument is that I care about the gays. I dont want them to get hurt. But I dont want the government breating down my neck with anti discrimination laws either. I only want gays to be safe from discrimination, thats all. As a human being I am inclined to care about others which I do. I respect gays as living breathing human beings with feelings, and hearts. I wouldnt want to see them get hurt. I hate homosexualism not homosexuals. I dont like the idea of two of the same sex in a relationship, but I still respect the homosexuals as human beings. I hate communism, but not communist. For its the idea I despise, not the people behind it. So my theory is that to respect peoples freedom to free speech in free countries though I appose it some instances, I am not willing to give it up whlie I still have it, and to ensure this freedom for non violent anti gay activist. If you were gay I wouldnt hate you, I would respect you, but that dosent mean I have to like the idea of two men or two women being in a relationship together. If your an athiest you dont attack theist do you? No you dont. You disagree with the notion of a higher intelligence, but you still can respect christians, jews, muslims, buddist, hinduist, etc.

You say you hate communism.
Why aren't you a bigot towards communists? Why just restrict the rights of homosexuals to be homosexual? Why not restrict the rights of communists to be communists?


I do hate communism, but not communist. If you ban the idea, there shall be no communist.
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The Scientific States wrote:
Divided America wrote:Russians hate them


No, just Putin.

And the Russian Orthodox Church.
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The Misotheist Reich wrote:I dont understand what I did to get banned. I was simply staing my most honest opinions, and view points. I may seem to you as a bigot, a horrible person. But the reason behind my argument is that I care about the gays. I dont want them to get hurt. But I dont want the government breating down my neck with anti discrimination laws either. I only want gays to be safe from discrimination, thats all. As a human being I am inclined to care about others which I do. I respect gays as living breathing human beings with feelings, and hearts. I wouldnt want to see them get hurt. I hate homosexualism not homosexuals. I dont like the idea of two of the same sex in a relationship, but I still respect the homosexuals as human beings. I hate communism, but not communist. For its the idea I despise, not the people behind it. So my theory is that to respect peoples freedom to free speech in free countries though I appose it some instances, I am not willing to give it up whlie I still have it, and to ensure this freedom for non violent anti gay activist. If you were gay I wouldnt hate you, I would respect you, but that dosent mean I have to like the idea of two men or two women being in a relationship together. If your an athiest you dont attack theist do you? No you dont. You disagree with the notion of a higher intelligence, but you still can respect christians, jews, muslims, buddist, hinduist, etc.

And yet you've repeatedly claimed to not give a shit about the lives of LGBT people. :roll:
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Postby Chishimotata » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:26 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
1. Describe "homosexualism"
2. If you care about gay people, you'd let them be themselves and you'd want anti-discrimination laws. But you don't, so it's pretty obvious that you don't care. I want to e able to be myself, and not have to hide from people like you. Do you know what it's like to lie to yourself, and everybody around you? You don't.

So don't you fucking tell me to hide.


I will not discriminate against you. Thats not me. In my eyes I just want to ensure the saftey of an extremly vunerable minority. Homosexualism is the actions taken by a homosexual whether sexual or through a demonstration of affection. Thats homosexualism. I dont like it. But I like homosexuals. I wouldnt want them to get hurt. They are people too you know. I would want them to stay hidden to make sure people rights arent beimg violated the right saftey, freedom of speech, etc. How long till I cant speak my opinion because of anti discrimination laws that would justify the elimnation of freedom of speech in society. Its only good if you arrest someone for saying someone about gays, but what about when places like North Korea arrest people for speaking up thats tyranny right? You see I want homosexuals to be happy by making them safe. Marriage would put them at risk, and make them targets. Would a bigot want to insure the saftey of the group he hates, I think not.

You don't understand anti-discrimination laws. Also, why the fuck are we supposed to appease bigots?

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Postby Liriena » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:27 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
1. Describe "homosexualism"
2. If you care about gay people, you'd let them be themselves and you'd want anti-discrimination laws. But you don't, so it's pretty obvious that you don't care. I want to e able to be myself, and not have to hide from people like you. Do you know what it's like to lie to yourself, and everybody around you? You don't.

So don't you fucking tell me to hide.


I will not discriminate against you. Thats not me. In my eyes I just want to ensure the saftey of an extremly vunerable minority. Homosexualism is the actions taken by a homosexual whether sexual or through a demonstration of affection. Thats homosexualism. I dont like it. But I like homosexuals. I wouldnt want them to get hurt. They are people too you know. I would want them to stay hidden to make sure people rights arent beimg violated the right saftey, freedom of speech, etc. How long till I cant speak my opinion because of anti discrimination laws that would justify the elimnation of freedom of speech in society. Its only good if you arrest someone for saying someone about gays, but what about when places like North Korea arrest people for speaking up thats tyranny right? You see I want homosexuals to be happy by making them safe. Marriage would put them at risk, and make them targets. Would a bigot want to insure the saftey of the group he hates, I think not.

That makes absolutely no sense.
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Postby Solaray » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:27 pm

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Postby Chishimotata » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:27 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:You say you hate communism.
Why aren't you a bigot towards communists? Why just restrict the rights of homosexuals to be homosexual? Why not restrict the rights of communists to be communists?


I do hate communism, but not communist. If you ban the idea, there shall be no communist.

And you think that if you ban homosexuals being open about their sexuality that there will be no homosexuals? :lol2:

That's just such a delusional idea that I need to laugh harder. Hold on. :rofl: :rofl:

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Postby The Scientific States » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:28 pm

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I will not discriminate against you. Thats not me. In my eyes I just want to ensure the saftey of an extremly vunerable minority. Homosexualism is the actions taken by a homosexual whether sexual or through a demonstration of affection. Thats homosexualism. I dont like it. But I like homosexuals. I wouldnt want them to get hurt. They are people too you know. I would want them to stay hidden to make sure people rights arent beimg violated the right saftey, freedom of speech, etc. How long till I cant speak my opinion because of anti discrimination laws that would justify the elimnation of freedom of speech in society. Its only good if you arrest someone for saying someone about gays, but what about when places like North Korea arrest people for speaking up thats tyranny right? You see I want homosexuals to be happy by making them safe. Marriage would put them at risk, and make them targets. Would a bigot want to insure the saftey of the group he hates, I think not.

That makes absolutely no sense.


It's summertime, that should explain all that.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:28 pm

Geilinor wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
No, just Putin.

And the Russian Orthodox Church.

And Russian neo-nazi trash.
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Postby Divided America » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:29 pm

I think that post was the best thing I ever posted
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:29 pm

The Misotheist Reich wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:You say you hate communism.
Why aren't you a bigot towards communists? Why just restrict the rights of homosexuals to be homosexual? Why not restrict the rights of communists to be communists?


I do hate communism, but not communist. If you ban the idea, there shall be no communist.

I don't like bigots. I'm not in favour of removing their rights, though. Why are you in favour of removing the rights of those you don't like?
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